Alaska And Back With A Fugitive In 48 Hours!

A $50,000 child support failure to appear turns into a full-blown fugitive recovery sprint when we get credible intel that our guy is hiding out in Anchorage, Alaska. We’re Rob and Chad, and we’re laying out the real play-by-play: how we get the call from the surety side, why the cosigner suddenly becomes the most important person in the file, and what it takes to confirm location without tipping off the defendant. No tough-guy TV edits, just the unglamorous details that make bail enforcement work when the clock is running.

From there it’s pure logistics and pressure. We talk long flights, layovers, and the kind of turbulence that makes you rethink every life choice, then landing in a place where it’s still light in the middle of the night. We also explain why we check in with Anchorage PD, how warrants and NCIC checks can create confusion across states, and why having paperwork in order still matters even when nobody wants to read it. If you’ve ever wondered why some agencies won’t hold someone forever, or why extradition decisions don’t always match what the public expects, we break it down in plain language.

The apprehension itself is fast, controlled, and done with kids in the room, which changes everything about how you move and talk. Then we get into the hard part most people never consider: transporting a handcuffed defendant through TSA and commercial air travel, including Delta’s captain approval process at multiple legs. We also address the money question head-on: this run costs thousands, gets handled through the bail and surety system, and lands at zero cost to the taxpayer.

If you like real-world stories about bail bonds, fugitive recovery, and what accountability looks like when someone runs, hit play, then subscribe, share the episode, and leave us a review. What question do you still have about how this job works?

Transcript

Welcome Back And A Fresh Story

SPEAKER_00 0:29

It's a real story, but the name has to be changed.

SPEAKER_03 0:36

What's happening, guys? It's Rob here.

SPEAKER_01 0:39

Chad over here is to be coffee.

SPEAKER_03 0:41

Hey, what's happening? Man, I tell you what, it's um I'm glad to be back uh doing a podcast. We missed last week because we had a new story.

SPEAKER_01 0:52

Yeah, yeah. We got a fresh one for you to tell. And so we know all the details that we can remember. These aren't ones that are from a long time ago.

SPEAKER_03 0:59

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I mean, there's I mean, there's a lot to it. So, but before we get into the story, hope you had a wonderful Memorial Day weekend.

SPEAKER_01 1:07

Yeah, as soon as we got back, we went down to Hilton Head. Um, why I got a little tan because you don't get a tan in uh Alaska. No, but uh it's cold, man. It was already planned, so we had to we had to move quickly, which we did. Yes, we did. I mean, very impressive,

Memorial Day Travel And Summer Talk

SPEAKER_01 1:25

I think, for what we were able to accomplish.

SPEAKER_03 1:28

Well, I mean, well, we're gonna get all that. We're gonna get all into that. We're gonna get it all good.

SPEAKER_01 1:33

But yeah, so but summer is finally here. Yes, finally walking out and people walking and you know, it's here finally.

SPEAKER_03 1:41

Yeah, and and and you know what, uh um, you know, not to be a Debbie Downer, but man, did you see Kyle Bush? He passed away.

SPEAKER_01 1:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not a race guy, but yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I lived all around it, you know. Yeah, me neither. I was a fan, but uh yeah, that is sucks for him.

SPEAKER_03 1:58

When Ern Arnhart died, I was done. That was it for me.

SPEAKER_01 2:02

Yeah, Richard Childers was my neighbor. I think I might have told you that. Yeah, yeah. But I was I was all around that stuff growing up. I just you know, I go to somebody's house and who is that? Oh, that's at uh you know Arnhardt's you know, my dad builds his engines. Right. Oh, okay, cool.

unknown 2:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:20

Not in a barn out in the middle of the sticks.

SPEAKER_03 2:22

Well, I mean, I I hate it for his family, you know. I you know, it sucks. You know, it's part of life and it sucks, but yeah, yeah, he was young. Yeah, 41. 41.

SPEAKER_01 2:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:34

That was bad. Anyway, so our our our our prayers and hopes are

Gas Prices And Dirty Myrtle Chaos

SPEAKER_03 2:40

with the family. So, all right, on to some political stuff. Because we ain't gonna get too much into it.

SPEAKER_01 2:46

I don't have a lot of political stuff. I haven't, I mean, since we've been on our trip and I went to Miami, dude, I've I've checked out of the whole political stratosphere.

SPEAKER_03 2:54

I have too. I had to get had to get caught back up before today. Um, I seen, you know, oh maybe this will happen, maybe it's not. I don't know. There's supposed to be a deal.

SPEAKER_01 3:06

Yeah, I keep hearing about deals and going to Like Are we? Are we not? This is it. I'm the final one.

SPEAKER_03 3:13

And next thing they were blowing something up, going, hold on, I thought we're doing a deal. Like, what's going on?

SPEAKER_01 3:18

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 3:18

What the but the but the no the gas station what's that?

SPEAKER_01 3:23

Kentucky.

SPEAKER_03 3:23

Oh yeah. Um but yeah, so it's man, I don't know, man. I I I hope there's you know, this is it. I'm tired of seeing gas prices. I think I speak for everybody. I think we're all tired of it.

SPEAKER_01 3:43

Electric car here.

SPEAKER_03 3:44

Uh, whatever, dude. He got a Tesla over there. Have you had any liberals get mad at you?

SPEAKER_01 3:50

I did drive my truck though, and it it it sucked putting gas in it.

SPEAKER_03 3:52

It does. It does, it does, it sucks.

SPEAKER_01 3:56

I took that to uh to Myrtle Beach and uh yeah, it sucks. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:00

Speaking of Myrtle Beach, what's going on with Dirty Myrtle?

SPEAKER_01 4:04

Dude, I did look at my TikTok and like everything from Black Bike Week's popping up on there. Oh dude, some that they're gonna they need to stop that that whole that whole event because dude drove into a uh Waffle House I saw.

unknown 4:19

Oh, Jesus.

SPEAKER_01 4:20

Really? Yeah, the um they had uh I thought I thought it was six arrests and like 30 minutes there. Yeah, it's stupid stuff I'm seeing. Man, I just try.

SPEAKER_03 4:30

I mean, I just stay away from dirty myrtle, period. That place is horrible.

SPEAKER_01 4:34

Yeah, I saw some lady on TikTok with a kid in the back going coming into Myrtle, and she was like, Well, this is much better than the Outer Banks. Um I was like, You're on crack, lady.

SPEAKER_03 4:43

Yeah, you haven't gotten there yet. You haven't gotten there yet. Uh the outer banks is quiet. Yeah, it's real quiet, which is nice.

SPEAKER_01 4:52

You know, it's yeah. I mean I mean, younger. They are old, flat up. Well, I mean, uh it's it's been built up a lot. I went back there last year and uh it's changed a lot, but it's a true um coastal town. Yes, you know, it's it's a true one. It's not it's not like all glam and glitzy like Myrtle, right? You know, and that's that's a tourist. Yep. So

The Call About A Bad Bond

SPEAKER_01 5:15

anyway, um so Alaska, everybody. All right, so all right this one, this one we just got dumped in our lap like literally couple weeks ago. Yeah, and it just yeah, it's been a few, it's been a few weeks. We didn't think we were gonna go, and then the last second, you know, Rob calls me and goes, All right, we're going.

SPEAKER_03 5:36

All right, so let me let me explain to you how it all started. Okay, so Mark Carteret with North State Surety. Thank you, Mark. I appreciate it. We came through for that. Glad we can help you out. Uh so they they called and said, Hey Rob, man, I've I've got this, I got this problem. I got this bondsman that's written this bond. It shouldn't have been written, which it shouldn't have.

SPEAKER_01 5:57

And always say that after the fact.

SPEAKER_03 5:59

Yeah, it's but it that but this is one of the this is one of the ones we wouldn't have done.

SPEAKER_01 6:03

Yeah, well, it was this was child support, right?

SPEAKER_03 6:06

Yeah, it's a failure to appear for a child support date.

SPEAKER_01 6:09

And see, we haven't been able to write child support bonds until this past year, I believe.

SPEAKER_03 6:14

But yeah, and it but it's all but it comes from failure to appear for a court case on it. It was weird how it was it was laid out. Now, I'll explain that to you how when I went to the clerk's office. I'll explain everything to you, like how that went down. So Mark called me, he goes, hey man, what's it gonna take to get this guy? Because I think he tells me all about it. He goes, This guy, he's either in Florida or Alaska, and here's the file, here's the co-signer, here's here's everything. I said, Well, Mark, let me look at it. You know, let me sit at the house and look at it for about you know on a Friday, and I'll let you know what I see. Well, that Friday comes along, and I'm sitting there you know looking through it, and I'm like, all right, I'm gonna call the cosigner. So the I got baby mama and co-signer phone numbers.

Working The Cosigner For Location Proof

SPEAKER_03 7:10

And I already I already I I know that the baby mama's gonna help me no matter what, but the co-signer, you got more leverage on because we can go after the co-signer for that for that amount.

SPEAKER_01 7:24

And this was a $50,000. Right. This was due in like three weeks.

SPEAKER_03 7:28

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I mean not far off.

SPEAKER_01 7:31

Right.

SPEAKER_03 7:31

So anyway, I uh started looking at it and I called the uh co-signer. Uh I'm just gonna call her co-signer, and we start talking. She goes, I'm getting so many phone calls from this insurance company and this bondsman, they're gonna take me to court. I don't know what it is. She's freaking out. Because I called her and I was like, you know what? I said, hang on, hang on, hang on. Let me tell you something, co-signer. They will do this, they will take you to court and they will get their money. But I'm your best friend right now. Because if you tell me where if you can help me get him, I will go get him myself. But everything's gotta be hush, hush. Just between me and you, nobody else gets involved. You don't tell nobody we're talking whatsoever. But me and you. I said, Do you understand that? She goes, Yes. I said, Okay, so you're gonna help me and I'm gonna help you.

SPEAKER_01 8:31

Even though somebody says that, you never completely understand. Never completely put your trust in him.

SPEAKER_03 8:37

No, she goes, Well, he was sharing his location with me. I said, Where was his location at when he was sharing and how long ago? And she said, Well, it was like a week and a half ago. I said, Where was it? I said, Okay, where was it at? She goes, Anchorage, Alaska. I said, Oh, well, that takes out the whole Florida deal. Unfortunately.

SPEAKER_01 8:58

The girl that he was with is from is from Florida. Yeah, it's from Florida. Like, but she has, I think she had didn't he tell us he had she had family there?

SPEAKER_03 9:05

Yeah, her mama's in Florida.

SPEAKER_01 9:07

I mean, no, I'm talking about Alaska.

SPEAKER_03 9:09

Somebody, somebody yes, she had some family members that passed away. They got some land property or land, whatever. Right. So that's why they went up there.

SPEAKER_01 9:17

Right.

SPEAKER_03 9:18

All right. So I'm talking to her. I was like, all right, have you talked to him? She said, I haven't talked to him because they know that the insurance company has talked to the fugitive. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:29

And they were, you know, our fugitive was kind of just like you know, just tugging them along because he knows you feel safe when you're in 4,510 miles away.

SPEAKER_03 9:40

And you're 55 miles from freaking Russia. I mean, I'm telling you, it's a long ways from North Carolina. So I said, you need to get on the phone with him and start getting buddy buddy again. And she goes, Okay, I will. Well, she starts. I said, This is what you need to do for me so I can trust you. I need you to take screenshots of any conversations you're having with him. I need you to take screenshots. If he's sharing his location with you anymore, you need to get screenshots and talk to me. So she calls him and she tells him, Hey, they're gonna they're gonna take me to the court for this 50,000. You screwed me over, blah, blah, blah. What can I do that to to show them that that that you mean what you say, you're gonna get it, you're gonna get this handled. He goes, Well, I'll start sharing my location with you. To prove that I'm anchorage. She goes, All right, well, he does. And lo and behold, boom, he's there.

SPEAKER_01 10:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 10:41

Well, you know, and then so before we leave, but between now, at this point in the story, and by the time we leave, this is a couple weeks before we leave. And I'm like, all right, so this is what we need to do. Because she was talking about he was wanting to come back because they they're not making it good up there in Alaska.

SPEAKER_01 11:01

Everything's expensive there.

SPEAKER_03 11:02

And it's gloomy. Uh beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 11:05

Gas was $5.19 a gallon.

SPEAKER_03 11:06

You ain't lying, man. Good lord. Oh.

SPEAKER_01 11:09

Yeah, yeah, a dollar more currently at this time here is a dollar more than where we're at.

SPEAKER_03 11:14

Yeah. Um, so he wanted to come back. So he was talking like he was about to come back. So I said, you know what? So I'm on the phone with Mark, going, hey, Mark, just hang tight for a minute. Yeah. I mean, we got a little bit of time. A little bit of time. A little bit of time. Let's hang tight because we don't know if he's coming back. If he's coming back, I don't want to be in the airport. Next thing you know, he's in Seattle, Colorado. Who the hell nowhere is he's gonna be at? I don't want to be stuck at an airport trying to find, you know, redirect. Right. I said, let me get some more information. He said, okay, I'm gonna trust you. And you can tell, like, he was like

When To Pull The Trigger

SPEAKER_03 11:55

a little hesitant. He wanted me to go. Right. And his and and and uh his wife was like, just tell him to go tell. I was like, I said, I think we need to wait and just buy our time and see what's going on. Because he's talking about coming back. Well, of course, another week goes by, nothing. He's not coming back, he ain't got a pot to piss in or when to throw it out of.

SPEAKER_01 12:16

Yeah, so you gotta you gotta figure when you're gonna pull the trigger.

SPEAKER_03 12:19

So I'm like, all right, it's time to pull the trigger. I think it's like on um Wednesday. I'm like, all right, it's time to pull the trigger. So I called, and but that Mother's Day was at Sunday, so we I was like, we can't go, you know, we can't get out of here before then. I don't think it's you know, we got do our things with our family. Yeah. So I was like, all right, Monday morning be great. All right, so cool. I called Mark, hey Mark, we're gonna leave Monday. I will call you this weekend to book the tickets because I want to make sure last minute, all right, he ain't trying to come and back. So, but I'm still getting screenshots about his GPS location. Right. And he literally, he's telling the co-signer that he's moving to this to this other uh hotel.

SPEAKER_01 13:02

So they were staying at a hotel and there's there's two that are across the street from each other.

SPEAKER_03 13:07

America's best value. Yeah. And uh and um Wyndham.

SPEAKER_01 13:12

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:13

And the Windham won't bad. I mean, we stayed there. We stayed in worse. I'll put it that way. Virginian Inn. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:19

That was yeah, that was definitely gun in your pillow type place.

SPEAKER_03 13:23

You ain't lying. Um so uh so I was like, okay, so I'm calling Chad. I'm going Chad. Uh, we need to leave on Monday. And he's this is like on a Saturday. He's like, uh, all right, let me tell the wife.

SPEAKER_01 13:38

Let me let me make the plans here.

SPEAKER_03 13:40

I'm like, all right, cool. And so he called, hey, we're good to go. All right. I get up with Miss Uh Co-signer here, and I'm like, hey, I said, what you go? Uh, where's he at? She takes a screenshot. I was like, okay, well we're not telling her we're coming.

SPEAKER_01 13:56

No, no, no. This is the part where you don't completely put all your faith in the middle of the day. No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 14:00

This is what I told her.

SPEAKER_01 14:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:02

She goes, when are y'all leaving? I said, I don't know. I said, I need to get about a week or two more worth of evidence.

SPEAKER_01 14:09

Right, right. There you go.

SPEAKER_03 14:11

Before we can jump on this.

SPEAKER_01 14:12

Because she could have sympathy and be like, I don't want them to go get him. Yeah. I'm gonna I'm gonna have to tell them that they're coming. Yeah, exactly. You don't do that. You don't do that.

SPEAKER_03 14:22

So I said, all right. I said, well, just keep me up informed every day. I said, I'm gonna need something every day. I'm working, I'm working this. So when we're there and I'm asking her to send me screenshots, it's not out of the ordinary.

SPEAKER_01 14:34

Right. So I'm working this thing. You're laying laying the groundwork. Laying the groundwork job, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:39

Well, uh, booked the tickets, and I call uh Chad here

Flights, Layovers, And Rough Turbulence

SPEAKER_03 14:45

and go, hey, I'll pick you up at nine o'clock in the morning.

SPEAKER_01 14:47

We had a really good flight out of here. Yeah, so we left, yeah. We left at what 10:30. Yeah, the actual flight left at like 10:30.

SPEAKER_03 14:54

Yeah, yeah. And we flew up to LaGuardia.

SPEAKER_01 14:56

Yeah, and we went to LaGuardia, we had a little layover there for a couple hours.

SPEAKER_03 15:00

And we had we had a nice chicken farm.

SPEAKER_01 15:03

Overlooking I got way off the way I eat. Um yeah, I did pasta and chicken farm and overlooking the uh what is that, the Hudson River?

SPEAKER_03 15:12

Uh and and uh Rikers Island.

SPEAKER_01 15:14

Oh, we saw Rikers Island.

SPEAKER_03 15:15

We're sitting there looking at it, yeah. And so we hey Michelle, you know, we're at the window. And all right, so we go to our next uh our next flight was at actually going to Minnesota. Minnesota. All right, so we had a long layover in Minnesota.

SPEAKER_01 15:34

Yes, yeah. So we get to Minnesota, the airport there. I mean, it's a nice airport, you know, to spend some time in, I guess. Yeah, they had some nice restaurants, and we I went to the store, you know, that's where Prince is from. And I I I like Prince. And um, I went in there, took a picture of the guitar for my son, sent him a picture of his guitar, and it had his notes of uh one of his songs in the glass case. And that was kind of cool. Um but then we walked around. What were you talking about?

SPEAKER_03 16:04

Oh well, well, we went ate, we went ate again.

SPEAKER_01 16:06

So we had wool eye. Walleye. Walleye. How you say that. That's a fish. It's uh it was okay. It was okay, it had bones in it. It had a b it had a bone in it. But I guess it happened. We have floundered.

SPEAKER_03 16:17

And you had that meatloaf thing.

SPEAKER_01 16:18

Ugh.

SPEAKER_03 16:19

Man, my stomach is just now getting back right from this trip, so by the way.

SPEAKER_01 16:24

So we'll tell you all about it. All jacked up from that one. But um, you know, it is, you know, it was pretty cool. The people were fairly nice, except Except for when we get to our terminal.

SPEAKER_03 16:36

Yeah. And our where our gate is. And we're sitting here just kind of we're waiting. Uh we got a long wait.

SPEAKER_01 16:43

And oh yeah, we're sitting there and there were like 20 little, like, I don't know, what were they, like 12 years old kids? I don't know. They were the whole group of them going to Anchorage, and like, damn, they're on our flight. And uh hoping that, you know, since we're so early, it was another flight going somewhere else. But no, they were on our flight.

SPEAKER_03 17:02

What about okay, what about the the rudeness of the Somalians in the airplane?

SPEAKER_01 17:08

I thought that was Ileon Omar. I got a picture of her. It looked just like her.

SPEAKER_03 17:12

Bananas and Rice.

SPEAKER_01 17:13

I don't like those people at all. I will say it. I don't I don't like them.

SPEAKER_03 17:18

It it made me uncomfortable because they were very mean. Very rude, pushy. And we didn't say nothing to them. Yeah. Like, all right, so when you're loading up on we're loading up on the plane, right, in Minnesota to get the hell out of here. To the right, it says zones one through four, to the to the left, zones five through ten, or whatever it is, to load up on a plane. So we're zone five. And we're we're we're well, we'll go we're following a sign, and this dude at the at the gate is screaming at you, no, no, this way, this way. And you're like, okay.

SPEAKER_01 17:50

You told me to go this way, and then you changed your mind.

SPEAKER_03 17:53

And then so, and then he's and then he scans his ticket and goes through, and he tells me to wait. Usually we don't have to like you scan, you go up, I I go up, I scan, you know, it's it's a process. This dude was being complete asshole.

SPEAKER_01 18:08

It was I was amazed at how many Somalis were there. You hear about Minnesota and the fraud, you know, and like currently there's they're investigating a lot of fraud in Minnesota. Yeah, and some of them have been already been convicted. Yeah, there's been there's been a few arrests and uh convictions already. Um so yeah, it's it was weird from where we're at. We don't have that in our area. I hear I heard uh I'm listening to another podcast and they were talking about um how the the Somali groups have grown in Michigan. Right. Austin, Texas, believe it or not.

SPEAKER_03 18:40

Uh that kind of makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 18:42

Yeah, Austin is a very liberal area. Um, but what it is is they get into uh the local politics and then they grow like you know, there's literally, I think in a mayor of uh Michigan Town.

SPEAKER_03 18:56

They breed like cats.

SPEAKER_01 18:58

Yeah, yeah. Um they do not share the same values that I mean it's okay when people come here and they uh accept American culture and become American. Right. But when you try to come here and bring your way of life that you left to our country, I got a problem with that.

SPEAKER_03 19:18

Well, so we're on the way uh walking up to the gate before he starts yelling at us. Jay goes, I dare go say I need some banana and rice. Man, I don't want to get kicked off this damn plane. We're already in Minnesota, I'm ready to get the hell out of here. I'm your captain now. I am your captain now.

SPEAKER_01 19:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:36

So we get on the plane and we take off. Now, the flight from Minnesota to Anchorage is probably the worst flight I've ever been on. We've been on a lot.

SPEAKER_01 19:46

Five hours and 30 minutes, I want to say.

SPEAKER_03 19:49

It is the worst in turbulence.

SPEAKER_01 19:51

Oh God, yes. I didn't I did not do well with that. Chad didn't do well. No.

SPEAKER_03 19:55

No, Chad goes, looks at me, goes, Hey Rob, I ain't doing so well. I said, Hey man, I'm right here, man. I don't know what to tell you, man.

SPEAKER_01 20:01

I'm right here next to him. We're good. I was making deals with God, you know where I was. Please let me get to this flight.

SPEAKER_03 20:09

I'll do better.

SPEAKER_01 20:10

I just let me get to this flight, man. I promise you. I'm still gonna make good on that guy, by the way.

SPEAKER_03 20:16

Uh so evidently flying over the mountains of Canada and Alaska, you get a lot of turbulence, and which is understandable. And we finally, finally get to Anchorage at 2 30 in the morning, Tuesday morning. Now we left, mind you, we left it our plane took off at 10 30 from Wilmington on Monday morning, and we landed in Anchorage at 2 30 in the morning.

SPEAKER_01 20:40

And you're gaining time going back. No, you're all right.

SPEAKER_03 20:46

You're going back in time.

SPEAKER_01 20:47

Yeah, so yeah, four hours. Yeah. So we get there. So it's a long, long day.

SPEAKER_03 20:54

And we're we're kind of tired. We get our we got a rental car waiting for us, and we get there.

SPEAKER_01 21:00

We check into the hotel that we think that our um.

SPEAKER_03 21:03

Yeah, yeah, we know he's there. We know he's there.

SPEAKER_01 21:05

Yeah, we we're pretty confident that he's there.

SPEAKER_03 21:07

So we check in at his hotel, and so I go to never seen us, so it doesn't matter. I go to the nightclerk. I'm going, hey, because you got ID, I'm like, yeah, I got my passport. I showed him my passport because my passport doesn't have North Carolina.

SPEAKER_01 21:21

I want to have North Carolina show them because if, you know, because the girlfriend was working at this hotel. So it's she's in good with anybody working, and I've we've had this happen at other hotels. And it would let them let them know. So we, you know, he was smart by taking that precaution.

SPEAKER_03 21:38

Right. And I said, Look, I said, can you just, you know, hook me up with a room for a few hours. I just needed a couple hours sleep and a shower. I said, and then we're and then we're out your hair. He goes, Man, he goes, I ain't supposed to do that. I said, Look, man, I got cash. I give cash money. So I gave him some cash. He gave us a room. It wasn't registered in my Name or nothing. So we get to this room. It's not the best room in the world, but it's not the worst. Neither. I've done a lot worse.

SPEAKER_01 22:07

I slept a great three or four hours. We slept three hours. But what was weird is we oh yeah, we got a Turo. We got so we got a car when we got out of the airport. Yep. Did the Turo thing. That was my first time doing that. You'd done it before. That was pretty cool. I can't believe those people met us that late to drop off the car.

SPEAKER_03 22:22

Yeah, me too.

SPEAKER_01 22:24

But it was weird because this time of the year in Alaska, you know, the whole the sky was still it was still light at 2 30 in the morning. Well, it kind of.

SPEAKER_03 22:32

It was kind of it was dark, but on you get

Landing In Anchorage And Getting Set

SPEAKER_03 22:35

if you look in the mountains, you can see the silhouette on the mountain daylight.

SPEAKER_01 22:38

Yeah. It was weird. Kind of like sun setting right at the end, but it stayed that way till 2 30 in the morning.

SPEAKER_03 22:45

Yeah. So we get up, take showers. And we're like, all right, let's go get something to eat. We need something to eat, some coffee, get something before we, you know, try to get it.

SPEAKER_01 22:55

Yeah, that was cool. So we found a little uh diner the next morning.

SPEAKER_03 22:58

I had some uh uh what reindeer sausage.

SPEAKER_01 23:01

Yeah, we had reindeer sausages. Um we had to try we like going places and trying whatever the local thing that's where we did the the wool-eye fish and you know all that stuff. So um we were able to uh get a nice breakfast. They were friendly. I mean, you know, it was it was cool. Yeah, it was average priced, I think.

SPEAKER_03 23:21

No, no, I'm I'm with you on that. I it was it was okay. It wasn't nothing to write home about.

SPEAKER_01 23:26

It was cool though. You could see so Anchorage is kind of like I guess it's like a peninsula sort of sticks out if you look at it on the map. But it's surrounding the city is nothing but big tall mountains.

SPEAKER_03 23:36

And there's snow. They're so beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 23:40

Snow up there, yeah. Um, and uh, you know, we saw a moose later.

SPEAKER_03 23:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:45

That was cool. It was on the side of the road like a deer for us, you know. We see deer everywhere.

SPEAKER_03 23:49

So we eat and then we go to Anchorage PD because Anchorage PD, you know, they I've already talked to them.

SPEAKER_01 23:54

We let them know that we're in town and kind of what's up. Yeah. What's what's crazy is they they brought out their chief and uh he wanted to meet us, and he's like, you know, usually, you know, even though somebody's got a warrant up here and it checks in on NCIC, which NCIC is that national crime index that you know you can be stopped anywhere in the continental US and uh you you can get that warrant served on you. Um so he says, but they have to what the way it works is they alert the um requesting uh state to know that you're there and kind of like they'll hold them, but if you don't do it within a certain period of time, they'll release them. Right.

SPEAKER_03 24:33

So um So we we check in with them.

SPEAKER_01 24:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:36

And we go over everything. He's not in NCIC, but we have our proper paperwork. Right. And it's funny because you know, before we were leaving, I was making sure that we had everything because I went to the uh clerk's office and I got everything, and it was weird because they were like, hey, this this is a little weird because of the child support warrant. So it's a little different. So I mean, I had to go through all this rigor morale. It was it was horrible. So anyway, I got with all that trouble to get certified copies, right? When we get out of there, I'm like, here, here's my paperwork. He goes, I don't need it. I'm like, come on, dude. I mean, what's the one? Come on. I went through all the efforts with all this. Look at this, look at it.

SPEAKER_02 25:11

Look at it.

SPEAKER_03 25:12

No, we're good. So, but but they were cool. They gave us uh Anchorage PD patches.

SPEAKER_01 25:17

Yeah, yeah. I got I put mine over there just to the New York one.

SPEAKER_03 25:20

Yeah. Um that that was that was they were really nice. Anchorage PD, thank you very much for that.

SPEAKER_01 25:25

They wanted to get a picture with us, and we told them about our podcast. So if you guys are listening, we made it back. Good to see you.

SPEAKER_03 25:31

Yeah, I actually messaged him and told me we got back and everything good to go.

SPEAKER_01 25:34

Oh, yeah, just send him the picture.

SPEAKER_03 25:35

Oh yeah, he was he's like, appreciate it. And he goes, Thank you for coming.

SPEAKER_01 25:38

Yeah, he said most people, you know, when they when they come, they don't they don't end up extraditing people

Checking In With Anchorage Police

SPEAKER_01 25:45

from there because the state doesn't want to spend the money on what we just did. So here's here's kind of a little another little tidbit about bail bonding. And while bail works, because you know, the bondsman uh that that uh asked us to go out there, he he had to he flipped the bill for us and um paid our expenses. And um this was not a cheap trip. I mean, if you think about last minute to go to Anchorage, Alaska, yeah, our tickets were what, like twelve hundred dollars a piece? Were they how much were they?

SPEAKER_03 26:14

Almost eighteen hundred dollars a month. Holy crap.

SPEAKER_01 26:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 26:17

And then it was $700 for him on the one way.

SPEAKER_01 26:21

Yeah. So um, plus our food or rent or car rental, you know, hotel, all that stuff. Um yeah, it's he easily spent $10,000. Oh, easy, easy. Yeah, easily. Um and that's out of his pocket. That's not taxpayer funded money. Nope. So, you know, the lady that was owed the child support, you know, they're gonna have to work that out, but we got him back where he needed to be in order to we did our part. We did our part, you know. So so we left their end of the bargain, right?

SPEAKER_03 26:53

So let's get on. Um, so we leave Anchorage PD.

SPEAKER_01 26:56

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 26:57

Um, we're good to go. We got some pictures with them. They're they're happy with us. They said if you need us, call us. But we can't we can't help.

SPEAKER_01 27:04

But they would be around if something happened, you know, kind of deal.

SPEAKER_03 27:07

So we go back to the hotel, and we're out there at the hotel, and I go to like I take this at this little girl that's uh like Asian little girl up at the front desk. Yeah. Yeah, and I'm like, look, come here. Let me talk to you. I was like, you can't say a word about us being here right now.

SPEAKER_01 27:23

So you got your folder full of all your warrant stuff, your photos. It's got him, the girlfriend, you know, you're and she confirms that yes, they're staying there and that she works for the hotel. Yep. And they're kind of like, I guess, bouncing around from rooms.

SPEAKER_03 27:38

Yep, bouncing room from room from rooms. Which I don't know how because that room that they were in the case.

SPEAKER_01 27:42

There's a lot of crap in there. Yeah, that's a lot to move.

SPEAKER_03 27:45

So she was like, well, hang on, let me look. And it took a minute because they were they were trying to find which room they were in.

SPEAKER_01 27:50

Yeah. She had originally she handed me a like a book of like all these rooms. Vacant rooms. It was like 25 rooms. I'm like, lady, we can't. And she gave us a master key to get into the to the rooms. But I'm like, we can't just go room to room and doing this throughout the whole. I mean, there's three floors to the hotel. There's I don't know how many 20 rooms per floor or more, 30. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 28:12

Well, after she did some research and some findings, it took a while for her to do this research. But but she was also trying to do an incognito to nobody because all the people there that were cleaning the rooms.

SPEAKER_01 28:24

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:24

They were up doing their thing. So I said, okay. She finally says, Here, here's a master key. Here's the room number, 330.

SPEAKER_01 28:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:33

Go get her.

SPEAKER_01 28:34

Go get them. Well, well, back up. We we had a couple of false alarms first that we know that we went in. So we get so when we go to the door and we're like looking at each other, because we're we're getting ready to breach your room, and we don't know what's on the other side waiting on us, you know. So we kind of look at each other and like all we're gonna do is swipe it and we're gonna open that door fast and we're gonna go in fast. Right. We didn't have guns with us. That's another thing. We didn't take guns with us. Usually we do, but it's yeah, but because of where we're going, and we looked up the guy's history. He wasn't he was a druggy, and uh, I think he stole some stuff.

SPEAKER_03 29:09

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Hotel Intel And Master Key Strategy

SPEAKER_01 29:10

You know, you know, we just based it basically on that, which it may or may not be the best thing to do, but that's what we chose to do.

SPEAKER_03 29:18

This is a lot more headache to check it in and the whole night.

SPEAKER_01 29:20

Yeah, so between the two of us, you know, but then again, you don't know who who they're with. Yeah, yeah. But between the two of us, we get a handle. So we, you know, we do the handle, this the card, and we go in fast. We're we're whatever's there, we're gonna deal with it. And they're all asleep. Well, the first two we ran in, it was a false alarm.

SPEAKER_03 29:41

They're in empty rooms. They're empty rooms, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:43

Yeah, so the last one, the third one, we go and we're we're like, okay, let's try it one more time. And we did it, ran in, and this time there's uh he starts to get up off the the bed off the room. Yeah, they were all sleeping. His wife was next to him, I guess, and then like his stepdaughter was on the other bed. Then there was a baby back in the corner, yeah. In a little carry.

SPEAKER_03 30:09

And so when we go in, I flip the lights on and go, hey, Mr. White. Mr. White, we know you got kids in here. We don't want to do this, you know, we don't want to do this in front of the kids. We don't want to make a scene. Let's go easy and cool. He was like, all right, no problem. He was cool. Yeah, he was 100%.

SPEAKER_01 30:24

He was he was he he knew that it was coming, basically. Yeah, but he didn't know it. He didn't know a lot of people say that, you know, because they're looking over their shoulder uh constantly, like they know that you know that that they need to handle this, and you know, today's the day you're gonna handle it. So we were there to facilitate that.

SPEAKER_03 30:42

Exactly. And so he gets his he gets his stuff on. We kind of were watching, you know, making sure everything, everybody's safe.

SPEAKER_01 30:50

And all the clothes and trash bags. Yeah, right. It was just like stuff everywhere.

SPEAKER_03 30:54

And there's shit everywhere in that place. And so we put handcuffs up front, of course, and said, Hey, you know, we'll treat you just as good as you treat us.

SPEAKER_01 31:03

What we always say, and that's what we do.

SPEAKER_03 31:04

Yep. And he goes, Man, can I he goes, can I give my baby a kiss? Goodbye. I'm like, yeah, you know, we were like, Yeah, sure, no problem. So of course we're watching him, and he he does, and he does everything we're supposed to do. I'm like, hey, there's your wallet, you know, we got we got a long ride. All right, say goodbye to everybody. All right, cool, let's go. So

Breaching The Room Without Guns

SPEAKER_03 31:20

we get out, we're gone. I mean, we're not we're not at a hotel much longer. We go, our car's parked out front by the front door. Yep. Walk out, he finished smoking his little cigarette, flips it out, gets in the car, and boom, we're gone to the airport. And literally, he's staying. This this hotel we're staying at is right outside of the airport.

SPEAKER_01 31:42

Yeah, it's one of those hotels at the airport type deals.

SPEAKER_03 31:46

Um and so we get on the way to the airport, right at entrance, we see this big ass moose on the side road. Yeah, which is cool.

SPEAKER_01 31:54

He's just walking along the side of the road, you know, and just it was really cool.

SPEAKER_03 31:58

And we get in the we get we park the uh the rental, um, get him out, and then we go to the front desk. I'm trying to, I'm trying to, you know, the little stuff, trying to get through it real quick. We we get him a ticket, uh, and then we have to go through TSA.

SPEAKER_01 32:16

Now this is where the guy, yeah. He he didn't he has like an old expired um ID. So, you know, if you've any of you go to the airport and fly, you know you gotta have all your ducks. You gotta have you have to have your ducks in a row. Yeah, to to get through all that. So it's a little more difficult when you're you're flying with a criminal that's in handcuffs.

SPEAKER_03 32:35

And we have to go through a different way first, and then from there we have to go through the back through uh TSA, just check. And then after that, you know, they they pat him down, they say, all right, you're good. And so we have to go, and then once we get through that, we um we had we had some time and we went to our terminal, but now we're also we're flying Delta. All right, so Delta and American are two airlines that do it differently. That do it differently for sure. Uh and usually we fly American because American is preferred by U.S. Marshals. So that's why we do it. Well uh getting out to Alaska is not easy, by the way. So Delta is the way to go. There's there's some places like Albuquerque, New Mexico. When we went there, we had to take Delta on the way back, uh, there and back because it's just you know, certain parts of the country uh it's Delta more than American. So we have to do like extra procedures. Uh we have to give a flight attendant a ticket, the captain attended.

SPEAKER_01 33:41

We have to meet with each captain of every transfer that we that we do. Yes. We have to go and meet with the captain to get approved to fly on there with a handcuffed um fugitive.

SPEAKER_03 33:53

So we're in Anchorage and we're on, we're getting on, and we're now we're heading to Seattle now.

SPEAKER_02 33:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:00

So we're getting on this flight, and the cap the two captains, uh, I hand him the stuff, and I'm like, hey, you know, thank you for you know having us. And you know, he's being good. We're good to go. My partner's right here. He's gonna give you okay.

SPEAKER_01 34:14

They want to check also if you're armed, you know, which you know, we said, hey, we're not. We're not armed. He goes, but they they want to know that.

SPEAKER_03 34:21

But the captains looked at me and said, We are. But we are I said, Yeah, hell yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_01 34:25

Yeah, I like that. Well, I mean, the the things that you see that go on in airplanes, I mean, they should be.

SPEAKER_03 34:31

Yeah. So cool. We get on the flight, we go from Anchorage to Seattle, land in Seattle, get out. We've got a long layover in Seattle. Like three-hour layover. We're we're hungry. Now, we've gotten him out of Anchorage. We're out of Alaska, and we're in Washington State. Now, Washington State's pretty on the on the way in. It was it was gorgeous. Oh, the cypress trees.

SPEAKER_01 34:56

Yeah. Oh man. It was cool seeing those trees there. We're used to pines and lime oaks here.

SPEAKER_03 35:02

Yeah. And we land where we're kind of hungry.

SPEAKER_01 35:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:05

Well, we go eat at this place. Man, I'd never Seattle.

SPEAKER_01 35:09

I mean,

TSA Problems And Delta Captain Rules

SPEAKER_01 35:10

correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Seattle's kind of known for like fish. Right. Right? A lot of fish. They have fish markets.

SPEAKER_03 35:16

I think I had the chowder bowl.

SPEAKER_01 35:18

Yeah, we ate it some place.

SPEAKER_03 35:20

I don't know. But anyway, my stomach has been like messed up since then. Like it's horrible. I feel like I get a brick in my stomach.

SPEAKER_01 35:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:30

So we eat, he eats, and you know, we're we're we feed the guy.

SPEAKER_01 35:34

Yeah, we're nice to him.

SPEAKER_03 35:36

Like we have his handcuffs covered up there.

SPEAKER_01 35:37

Yeah, I think he had a when he had a like a burger or like a some kind of sandwich. Yeah, chicken sandwich. So he's so he's got uh putting his handcuffs on. He's trying to trying to eat, you know, and he's everybody's you know in food court looking around at us and he's yeah one. You know, we we cover his cuffs up, but it's kind of weird looking.

SPEAKER_03 35:58

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:59

People are looking around and looking at it.

SPEAKER_03 36:00

He asked, he goes, Man, can you take him off? I was like, no, man. We don't budge on that one. No, that's one thing we don't budge on.

SPEAKER_01 36:06

Sorry.

SPEAKER_03 36:07

Because you never know, man. You never know. You get one, he goes, you get give him one idea that he can get away.

SPEAKER_01 36:12

Yeah. And if you just take one off, now he's got a weapon. Yep. So you don't you don't budge on the handcuff thing. Right.

SPEAKER_03 36:19

So uh, but he was cool. We go back, um, and we're the first one's on and last one's off. Yeah, we get on.

SPEAKER_01 36:27

And we're in the very back. We go all the way to the back. By the shitter. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:31

Now we get on this plane, we do the whole rig of mortar. Hey, captains, here you go, blah, blah, blah. Not armed. You are. Okay, cool, cool, cool. We get in the back of the plane. This dude's sitting, uh, so our guy's sitting against a window. Chad's big ass is in the middle, and I'm right beside him. And I swear, these seats get smaller and smaller at every flight. I'm sticking halfway out into the aisleway. And if you look directly to my left, there's a door to a shitter right there. And there's two more. And I mean, it's a big plane. There's two more in here, right? So every time somebody would come out here and open a door, the light would shine right in my face. Could not sleep. I tried and tried and tried. I watched Indiana Jones. Oh, yeah. I mean, you name it. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles were badass.

SPEAKER_01 37:25

I watched the whole Landman series again. Oh, see season two. I'm still behind on that, but um, anyway, I like I like watching that.

SPEAKER_03 37:32

Yeah, yeah. No, it was it was fun, but man, I'm telling you, dude, by the time we landed from Seattle to Atlanta, uh, I was so and it was it was uh five o'clock in the morning. No, five thirty in the morning when we landed in Atlanta, and the sun's coming up, and we're like, what the hell day is it?

SPEAKER_01 37:49

Yeah, we yeah, we got a little layover in Atlanta, you know. We finally get back into Wilmington at nine o'clock, I think it was we landed in the airport there. So from start to finish, um, we basically did this in like 48. 48 hours. Well, just under 48 hours. Yep.

Seattle Layover And No Cuff Exceptions

SPEAKER_01 38:10

And that's pretty impressive, even with the layovers.

SPEAKER_03 38:13

So when we come out of when we landed in Wilmington and come out uh and we're coming out of the exit, uh, Mark was standing there um waiting on us because we're like, hey, look, can you please because we're gonna be so messed up on time and be we're gonna be exhausted. Um we're gonna need you there at the the airport to pick him up from us. He was like, all right, cool. And we come out and I see him standing there, and he, you know, he he grabs our fugitive and he's like, you know, he does his checks and and he's switching cuss out, and he looks at me and Chad and goes, guys, he goes, I've been doing this a long time. He goes, and I've never seen somebody get go that far away to get somebody and get them back within a certain amount of time.

SPEAKER_01 38:53

I was like, man, yeah, that's moving pretty quickly to to get somebody to, you know.

SPEAKER_03 38:59

Yeah, and get so so get it sorry.

SPEAKER_01 39:01

The insurance company brag on us, but damn, that's pretty impressive.

SPEAKER_03 39:04

Yeah, the insurance company made a like a teeny bitty bit of money off of this bond, but they're ultimately responsible for it. So Mark was like, hey man, take care of me as much as possible. I'm like, hey man, uh we're going to. I'm going to.

SPEAKER_01 39:18

We did.

SPEAKER_03 39:19

And we did. And man, I'm telling you, I've got we got so much praise from Mark about this that's Yeah, we'll try to get him.

SPEAKER_01 39:26

Uh he's he's very good, um, well spoken when it comes to all this. And his family, he's a I want to say he's like third generation bondsman. Yep, they've been doing it for a long time. So, you know, he has a lot of insight on um or um industry.

SPEAKER_03 39:41

We we hand him off and he was like, hey man, even the fugitive was like, hey man, appreciate you being good to us, man. No problem, man. Little man, get yourself stuff together, man, and and get back to it, man, and go to Alaska and have a good time, you know. All right, cool, no problem. All right. So he leaves. And we're we're a little like zombies in the parking lot because we don't know where our damn truck is. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:02

Then the search for that.

SPEAKER_03 40:04

Yeah, and then so I drop Chad off at home. I go straight home and I I shower. I finally get like a really good shower.

SPEAKER_01 40:14

Oh God, it felt so good.

SPEAKER_03 40:15

And I laid down. This is Wednesday morning now.

SPEAKER_01 40:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:18

Wednesday morning. I lay down.

Back Home Fast And Hand-Off

SPEAKER_03 40:20

I wake up in the afternoon to eat dinner, yeah, and then say, I love y'all, but I'm going back to bed. So I went back to bed. And I woke up Thursday morning, like normally, trying to, you know, trying to get things going. And I'm like, I'm like hitting Chad. I'm like, Chad, man, I said, We're taking the rest of the week off because of Memorial. He's like, Yeah, man. I was like, all right, sweet. So there you go, man. Alaska, 48 hours.

SPEAKER_01 40:45

Alaska and back, and let's go 48.

SPEAKER_03 40:48

And it's at zero, zero cost to the taxpayer. You are welcome. Now he gets to have his day in court with the victim.

SPEAKER_01 40:57

Yeah, so hit us up with any questions, you know, that you might be curious about because this one was well, you know, I had a lot, I had my neighbors. It was funny because I put it on Facebook, you know, and um I had my neighbors, they must have been drinking and talking.

SPEAKER_03 41:12

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:13

And it was like uh it was a couple days ago before we went to Hilton Head, and uh dude called me and he was like, Hey man, I saw you went to Alaska and we were just talking. And how does that work? How do y'all get paid? You know, what have all these they have all these ideas in their heads, you know, of like what we do and how it works. And you know, I wanted to straighten it out to help you understand better like what it is we do and how we do this and what it how it benefits everybody. Yeah. You know.

SPEAKER_03 41:44

So the insurance company flips the bill for it. Now, the insurance company therefore will go to the bondsman and go, hey, here's a bill because you know, it this is this is your doing. And of course they'll pay for it.

SPEAKER_01 41:56

But then again Yeah, and that's another thing. People hear the word insurance company when it comes to this, and I've had people say this like, Well, you're covered by an insurance company, so it doesn't affect you. It's just like your insurance on your car if you have a wreck and they drop you, you no longer have insurance. Well, we can no longer write bonds, we can and this is what we do. So, you know, you have to perform well in order to keep it, you know, kind of the same concept, basically.

SPEAKER_03 42:23

And you know what? And and

Who Pays For Recovery And Why It Matters

SPEAKER_03 42:25

I I I'm gonna say this, and I say this be not being biased because I am a little biased because you know, Chad's sitting right here, but Chad's been doing this for a long, very long time, 28 years. You're getting there. You're getting there. 29. 29, 29 years. Since 97. So he's been doing this for a long time. And I've been, you know, I've been, I'm not, you know, I'm over 10 years now. You're hitting 10. You're over 10. I'm over 10, yeah. Okay. Um, and you know, I've I've learned uh uh how to write bonds from him, and I've seen the way other bondsmen write bonds, man, and I'm telling you.

SPEAKER_01 42:58

Well, we do things the way we do them, and I was taught by someone, so I kind of continued that way, and he's still in business, and that and David's probably how old is David? He's gotta be hitting 80. 80, yeah. I mean, the godfather, you know?

SPEAKER_02 43:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:12

I've been in at 29, and he's geez, he's the one who taught me. I mean, he's an interesting cat. I would love to have a conversation, conversation with him about all this. He would be funny one day. Yeah, he would. We should do that. Um, but you mean anyway? We're not by any means saying we're like all that. It's just how we do it, and it's but it works. It's like, you know, it works, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:34

So and I appreciate that, you know, learn how to do it the right way. Um, because I have seen some in this business, us as doing as bounty hunting or future recovery work, whatever, for the insurance companies, I have seen some nightmares going, wow, this is what not to do. I've seen a lot of seen a lot of that.

SPEAKER_01 43:55

Yeah. And you know, there there's some stereotypes about about us and our industry. That I don't like, so I try to stay away from them.

SPEAKER_03 44:03

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:04

So anyway, gonna keep doing the way we do it.

SPEAKER_03 44:06

I'm telling you what, well, that's been it that was a good episode, man.

SPEAKER_01 44:08

I'm telling you, I thought so because it was a it was a cool trip and it was a good one to talk about.

SPEAKER_03 44:13

Yeah. Uh beautiful scenery for sure. And but I'm glad to be home, and I'm glad that I live in the southeastern. Yeah, Minnesota.

SPEAKER_01 44:23

Y'all need to fix that.

SPEAKER_03 44:24

Yeah, go like go figure out your bananas and rice. Because I don't want any part of it. Yeah. All right, guys. Well, that's another great episode. Thank you for tuning in. We love you. We mean it. I'm Rob. I'm Chad, and we'll see you.

SPEAKER_00 44:38

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Final Thoughts And How To Follow

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