Dog And Leland Chapman Sit Down For First Podcast Together

Somebody posts bail and promises to show up for court. Then they disappear. That’s the moment most people never think about, and it’s where Dog the Bounty Hunter and Leland Chapman live.

We sit down with Dog and Leland in front of a live audience to talk about what fugitive recovery really looks like today, from Hawaii’s relationship-driven leads to the mainland grind of door knocks, digging through histories, and building a case from nothing. We get into the gear too: GPS, thermal, night vision, and social media, plus why “boots on the ground” still beats gadgets when the clock is ticking. Along the way, they share war stories that only make sense if you’ve done the work, including injuries, close calls, and the instincts that can point you to the right direction when everyone else is wrong.

Then the conversation turns serious. We unpack the Andrew Luster capture and the time Dog and Leland spent in a Mexico jail, what it did to their relationship, and how faith and prayer show up when consequences get real. We also tackle bail reform and public safety, including how policy changes impact victims, court appearance rates, and the day-to-day accountability bail bond agents used to provide. Audience Q&A brings it home with raw questions about marriage safety, separation, grief, moving on after loss, and what to do when the internet thinks it gets to decide your future.

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Transcript

Why People Skip Court

SPEAKER_09 0:04

When people are released from jail, they have the responsibility to appear in court. But some of these people choose to go on the run.

SPEAKER_07 0:13

They go back home to mommy.

Live Show Welcome And Sponsors

SPEAKER_09 0:15

And that is when these guys come into the picture. So sit back and listen to the off the hook podcast with Chad and Rob.

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Very fine people on both sides.

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These are real stories. That's right. But the names have been changed.

SPEAKER_04 0:33

To protect the guilty. That's right.

SPEAKER_07 0:36

How are you doing? I'm Rob. And I'm Chad, and guess what? It's time. It's here. Uh off the hook podcast presenting these two young men right here. I say young men.

unknown 0:49

That's all right.

SPEAKER_07 0:49

That's right. We've known these guys for a long time, man. And to finally get them here, it's been absolutely awesome. So, first and foremost, we want to go over some of our sponsors. We want to say a big, huge thank you because there, if without them, this wouldn't happen.

SPEAKER_04 1:07

Yes, thank you. And we, you know, do you always do the live audience? No. First time. Can the audience yell real loud so everybody knows you're here? There we go. Yeah. There we go. Sound better than a cheerleader squad. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_07 1:24

Yeah. So um I'll go ahead and start with our platinum sponsor, Bankers Surety. They have been behind us for twenty over 25 years. So we want to say thank you to them. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:36

Go ahead, Jay. I would do the gold sponsors. So in their gold is Pink Monkey Monitoring the NABA Association.

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There they are.

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There she is. NABA, Michelle Askenazzi. Angelic Bailbonds. Representing and Jimmy McGee law firms.

SPEAKER_04 1:54

Is Angelic Bailbonds all girls?

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I don't think all girls.

SPEAKER_04 1:58

I'm not sure there was any. I'm not sure there is any girl angels. Apple eaters. My wife's not here, so I can talk as much.

Meeting Dog And Leland Chapman

SPEAKER_07 2:10

I'm pleading to fifth on that. All right. Our silver sponsors, I'll go ahead and uh the NCBAA, the North Carolina Bell Agent Association. We want to thank you. Regina's back there. We're representing. Thank you very much. Guitar pickers here in town, the good friends of mine, uh Jason and Adam over there. You're they're awesome. Uh let's see who else we got. Uh Cousins Coal-Fired Pizzeria. And while you're in town, if you haven't been, you need to go by. It's really, really good. Gross Law Group, a wonderful attorney here in town. If you ever get in trouble and need them, you know, he's the man. And a couple people that are here right now to my left. We got to give a very big special clap to is Momentum Distillery. He's helped us set everything up this morning. Jason Jackson live. And then uh we got Site Race Services, which is myself, my land services. Don't forget Adrian. Oh, yes, yes, we know. Adrian. We got Adrian over here. Thank you very much, sir. All right. So, with that being said, how are y'all been? Good. Work.

SPEAKER_04 3:19

Absolutely excellent.

SPEAKER_07 3:20

Right on, yeah, yeah. I talked to I talked to Leland quite a bit, you know, uh every every few weeks. We know we we chit-chat, we've done stuff together. Me and Chad, uh, quick little thing. Me and Chad, uh, he called us. It's been years ago. Remember when we did the podcast about the Greenville where I rolled my ankle? Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was for that was for Leland. That's when you went. Yeah. Yeah, that hurt. That hurt really bad.

SPEAKER_05 3:43

So, so uh also this is this is the first podcast with father and son together, I believe.

SPEAKER_07 3:50

Yes, give it up for me.

SPEAKER_05 3:51

Right on, right on.

SPEAKER_04 3:53

And thank you. And my daughter Cecily is also here. Cecily's here.

SPEAKER_07 4:00

Cecily. It's been a while since I've seen her. You know, it's it's been a while. We weren't she's grown up. Yeah, yep. And uh, how's Gary? I seen him, he's he's doing good. He's a police officer in Alabama.

SPEAKER_03 4:14

He's a big boy. Hey, he is.

SPEAKER_04 4:17

Yeah, yeah. So the family's doing good. Everyone's doing the only one stuck in Hawaii's baby Lisa. Oh yeah. She planning to get out? No, she's probably never going to. Ah, okay. Well, I mean, it's a Hawaii, so that means it's almost like paradise, you know? Oh, it is paradise, but you pay for paradise. Oh, yeah. Yeah, this is true.

Hawaii Versus Alabama Fugitive Work

SPEAKER_07 4:35

Yeah, yeah. We we feel a little bit here. It's like that almost. All right, so let's get right into it. So, Chad, take it off.

SPEAKER_05 4:44

So I just covered mine.

SPEAKER_07 4:47

Oh, okay, all right. So, all right, so now, um all right, so this question is gonna be for for both of you, actually.

SPEAKER_04 4:56

Um, let's go first, Lady. You're the youngest.

SPEAKER_07 4:59

Yeah, we'll go first. All right, so now since you know you you bounty hunted in Hawaii, you bounty now you've owned Alabama now. So the cultures are totally different. That's for sure. So, what is the difference in the cultures and in bounty hunting and what you've learned from it? You know, from moving all the way out there to Alabama?

SPEAKER_03 5:23

Well, I'm pretty much mobile, so I really don't stay in one place. But Hawaii, I've lived there so long that I know enough people that I can probably get a lead just by saying, hey, does anybody has anybody seen this guy? Does anybody know? You know, a couple days later I'll get a lead. With the mainland, I have to go out and find that lead. You know what I mean? I have to go door to door sometimes. Uh, you know, I have to dive deep into somebody's history, find their family, find their girlfriend. So it's a lot more challenging, but at the same time, it's uh, you know, a lot fun. More way more funner.

SPEAKER_06 6:02

Let me ask you a question about Alabama. Could you understand them when you first got there? Wasn't it all right?

SPEAKER_03 6:07

I'll tell you this is a true story. I first went to McDonald's, I just had landed, I was there for a couple hours in Mobile, Alabama. I went through uh McDonald's to try to order something. I could not even understand her, but at the same time, I felt like she couldn't even understand me. So when by the time I got my order, it was somebody else's order, you know. But I ate it anyway, because I wasn't, you know, I just took it and went. So uh and then uh, you know, it it took took me a while to uh to kind of catch on. But my wife, she's totally country, she's totally country. So I still she'll say something just totally off the wall, something I've never heard. I've been with her for 10 years. She'll say something new. I'll be like, What? What did you just say? You know, she'll make a word up or some phrase or something.

SPEAKER_07 7:01

So yeah, and speaking of my fiancee did the same thing to me, and I'm from the country. Yeah, she said something to me, I said, What did you just say?

SPEAKER_03 7:09

I think they just make up words down here.

Tech Tools Versus Old-School Tracking

SPEAKER_05 7:14

All right, uh. So uh with the advancements in technology, such as GPS, thermal, night vision, um, and social media, uh, do you take advantage of these when you're hunting somebody, or do you still do the boots on the ground, old school way of hunting people?

SPEAKER_04 7:34

Well, combination. You can teach an old dog new tricks, but I just went out uh a couple weeks ago in Georgia and uh to Atlanta, and I was boots on the ground and caught the guy in four hours. The cops have been looking two years, the bounty hunters over a year. Uh 25 young kid, 25 years old white boy, wanted for kidnapping a minor. And I talked him in, and uh they even the cops said, we thought this show was fake. I said, sure. If we tase someone, you know, we miss the shot, can we tase you again? And the chief of police said, Let me tell you something. I could tell why you're one of the you are the greatest. Leland's number two bounty hunters in the world. Oh, that's that's absolutely true. There's no one I've arrested over 10,000, and Leland's now uh about up to 7,000, all over. He ain't too far behind.

SPEAKER_05 8:37

He's in the rear view. He's looking. He's looking at you.

SPEAKER_04 8:40

I thought he'd never catch me, but well, I'll be in heaven when he catches me.

Injuries And A Costly Misfire

SPEAKER_07 8:44

So, with that being said, leads me to my next question. Hey injuries. I know I well, I we spoke. Uh you know, I told you about our injury when I we me and Chad went out for you. How about you?

SPEAKER_03 8:57

Man, I'm always getting injured. You're in bounty gun. Yep. I uh for when Beth passed away and we went to her had her funeral in Colorado, I was chasing a fugitive and I kicked the fence gate, and behind the gate, you know, they got them big studs that you know to black it, and I kicked it the opposite direction, and immediately I could feel my Achilles tenant. I I it blew, it exploded.

SPEAKER_07 9:24

You know what? I think I remember you telling it.

SPEAKER_03 9:25

All the way down in my foot and all the way up, and then uh, and then uh I've had broken knee, you know, so my other side, my Achilles tenant, so I felt my share of pain. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 9:38

All right, dog. I've never been hurt, but I've hurt a lot of them.

SPEAKER_03 9:43

No, don't tell them that. One time we were we were standing, listen, this is we were standing ready to make entry into uh into a house, and I just got this new, I had my pepper ball gun, and I just got this electronic trigger. And I had it all set up, and uh, we were ready to go in, and I switched it from safety to fire, and automatically it fired around. It shot him right in the back of the leg. Right on camera, and it was point-blank range, and that sucker, I knew, man. Oh, I just saw it, and I was like, holy shit, I just shot my dad. And then I went went, he went hobbling off to the side. I went ahead and made entry into the house, and I was thought, oh man, I just walked in this guy's house. I didn't wait for them or nothing because I was all flustered, you know. I just shot him in the leg.

SPEAKER_04 10:34

But that's not me getting hurt on a bounty.

SPEAKER_03 10:36

That's it was it was just you, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:39

But listen, no one ever knew because I held it.

SPEAKER_03 10:44

But like we had to stop production for like six months.

SPEAKER_04 10:49

Listen, hell is made for liars.

SPEAKER_07 10:52

All right, so with that being said, what does what does your dad do differently that impresses you?

Instincts That Close The Case

SPEAKER_03 10:59

What does he do differently that impresses you?

SPEAKER_04 11:01

Oh, when we're both not married. No, uh, you little whore.

SPEAKER_03 11:08

No, it would have to be when, you know, the on the bounty. There's sometimes like what you guys were talking about, you know, that that the technical side, I'll I'll get something like that, and then you know, I I'll never forget we were chasing this guy that crashed his motorcycle, and I thought for sure he went this way. My dad said, No, he went that way. Sure enough, he went that way.

SPEAKER_04 11:31

Well, what we did was the cops lost found the boot print, they wouldn't let us uh in. So once it started raining back in Colorado Springs, you know, the cops are leaving because they've got a nice hairdo. Not as good. And the dogs lose the sand. Yeah, not as good as my hairdo, but so anyway, so I told Leela, take a picture of that boot print. Because the cops are like, he got it right, he's gone. And so Leela took a picture, we went across the street, we found another print, and print, print, print. And as we went down in, he was Youngblood blew it because he would. I told him, let us take him. He's like, Fee, fees, and then we did. But he had dug a hole in like covered himself with a bunch of stuff. And we got to the top of the hill, and them cops were there is no way on the show, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:19

They had like two, two or three canines out there searching for nothing.

SPEAKER_04 12:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:24

Another time they had a canine, we were searching. This was before the camera crew, we were searching for like the most wanted fugitive. His bail was like$700,000. He was Colorado's most wanted fugitive. The cops wanted him so bad that they were working on their off time to catch him. It was me and my dad.

SPEAKER_04 12:41

We went to the longest hunt we ever had.

SPEAKER_03 12:44

Yeah, we went ten days. We went, we saw the house, all of a sudden, and this guy looked the movie Silence of the Lambs. He had all these blankets and all these barriers of every window.

SPEAKER_07 12:56

Nope.

SPEAKER_03 12:56

This is way before the show. So all of a sudden, we were standing there for like an hour, and then all of a sudden, I see a piece of pizza on the windowsill. So I'm like, man, I see a piece of pizza. Oh, that's right. So my dad's like, you need to find out if that sucker's warm or not. So I take the screen off.

SPEAKER_04 13:14

Well, wait, because in Colorado, you can't enter the house unless you know he's there.

SPEAKER_03 13:20

I'll tell you the other story. So then I take the screen off when nobody's looking. I was young, I was only like 17, 18 or something. You were 21. Well, maybe. So then, so then I touched the pizza. Oh, that sucker was steaming. I said, Oh, that sucker is hot, right? I said, There's for sure somebody in the inside, I promise you. So he said, Go inside and see if you could see somebody. So I crawled inside, and this house was so black, and they were such hoarders that they had all these boxes and only little paths. I felt like I was in that movie from Silence of the Lambs, and they were staring at me through the binoculars, right? I could not see nothing. I could barely make my way to the front door. And as soon as I opened up the front door to let my dad in, all these cops come and he said, he ran inside, he ran inside, and all these cops.

SPEAKER_04 14:09

Oh, wait. So you, I told you take the cosigner, the wife.

SPEAKER_03 14:13

Well, this was before we even seen anybody. Then I seen the old lady, and I said, Hey, we're so-and-so.

SPEAKER_04 14:20

I said, get her out there away from anybody and promise her your little dingley.

SPEAKER_03 14:26

And so she he was smiling and no, before that, listen, before that, they had a helicopter, they had 50 police officers, two canines, they went through this lady's house twice, okay? Then at about six hours or about two hours later, they're saying, Oh, he's not in here. So then he said, You need to do stuff. So I went to the lady and I found a little note in the trash can, and it said something, and there was a dead deer that they had run over. The cop said, I shot that deer, and all that was left was two hoofs because he was eating it, bro. He was eating deer in survival. Yeah. So all they had left was the hoofs. So I said, and it said something about yelling, and I said, Listen, lady, and I wasn't even from there, I was from Hawaii. So I was just talking out of my ass with her. So I said, You see this note? I said, I know this note, and here's this beer bottle. We're gonna get a fingerprint, and I know this is him. And the prosecutor told me just to take somebody to jail, so it's gonna be you. So she said, Oh, no, no, no, he's inside, he's inside. And I said, What? And I was all by myself, all the cops was gone. She goes, He's inside, he's inside. So then he she led me back into the laundry room. There's a big old pile of laundry. She pulled it away, and it was a trap door. So I we only had them little, like Next Tell Radios. I tell my dad, I got him, I got him. I seen all these lights come bouncing in, bam, all these cops came through there. They opened up.

SPEAKER_04 16:01

No, they they saw it. Let me say that. So they saw it, and then we're like, Go ahead, you guys. He's like, No, they said, We're not going in there, you guys go. So we went arm in arm, we went like this, and I said, Here black. And I said, just start throwing blows, right?

SPEAKER_03 16:16

And we just, you know, in the dark started throwing, and all of a sudden, we're uh and then they send down the dog, and the dog's biting him and shit. It was crazy.

SPEAKER_04 16:28

And then the newspaper in the front page said, Please catch child abusers. Not one word about us. And I still got the article that happens a lot, I think.

SPEAKER_05 16:41

Yes. All right, Chad. So, dog, what is something that Leland does differently than you do that impresses you?

SPEAKER_04 16:51

He, you know, I've told him since he was very young. The promise of love is sometimes greater than the actual do-in-the-wild thing. So he promises love to every lady, not younger ones.

SPEAKER_08 17:10

He's gonna try to get me.

SPEAKER_04 17:12

Leland is loved by women. I'm glad. Francie and I meet people, the nurse, any color there is, oh, your son Leland. And Francie goes, and she's married, and Leland's married to a really badass girl. Uh, and so you just forget it. And they're like, no, I want to meet him. So yeah, he uh I don't do that. I used to before I met Francie, but now uh you know Francie has the Holy Spirit, the promise of love.

SPEAKER_03 17:42

I don't do the promise of love. I'm married.

SPEAKER_04 17:44

Yeah, you no, I said before you were married.

SPEAKER_03 17:46

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 17:48

He didn't do it count, he didn't do the promise of love, he did the actual love.

SPEAKER_07 17:54

I bet you there's a lot of people in this audience that that love Leland.

SPEAKER_04 17:58

Yeah. It's okay to be gay, but how many gay guys like it?

SPEAKER_07 18:08

All right, go ahead, Chad. This is this is a good one. This next question, we we me and Chad sat down and tried to figure out some of these good questions. Okay and man, this is this is what he came up with.

SPEAKER_05 18:19

Okay, all right. I love it. So hold on to your sunglasses when things get heated between you and Leland, how do you how do you settle a disagreement? Does it end in a hug, prayer, or with Leland taking your sunglasses so you can't storm out of the room? I hang up.

SPEAKER_03 18:39

We don't get an argument.

SPEAKER_04 18:41

We we haven't in a long time. But when it did, we did, I just hung out and waited. Yeah. Because I never beat him. One time I slapped him around. Oh boy. Because, oh, you don't remember that in the front yard? No, I remember several times. Did he take your glasses? That was no, he never did that.

Mexico Jail And Mustard-Seed Faith

SPEAKER_05 18:58

Next okay, so dog, you guys both called the serial um rapist Andrew Luster. Yes. In Porto Vallarta. Um Mexico and got arrested, and you're sitting in a jail in Mexico. What did you guys talk about while you're in jail? What did the experience do with your relationship? And do you have any regrets knowing what you know now? And would you do it all the same way again?

SPEAKER_03 19:29

Well, one thing that I remember the most, of course I remember it all, but one of the things I remember my dad saying to me is, you know, we were facing 30 years and 32 years in prison. And uh we went from Puerto Vallarta to I think to Mexico City. We were in the little jail, we were sitting there, all these cops showed up. It was like we were in a zoo and we were animals. It was like a hundred cops just showed up. I drove eight hours just to see you guys because we were all over the news.

SPEAKER_08 19:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:59

And uh I just remember I told my dad, oh man, do you think we're ever gonna get out of here? You know? And uh he just said, you know, he said, Do you know what the what a mustard seed is? And I said, Yeah, yeah, I know what a mustard seed is. And he goes, That's all the faith that we have to have. So if you don't have that, you know what I mean? You're doing something wrong.

SPEAKER_04 20:19

Did y'all ever talk about escaping?

SPEAKER_03 20:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 20:22

Well, they re put a recorder no one at the bed of our what was that jail like?

SPEAKER_05 20:27

I mean, it couldn't have been like the three different jails, bro.

SPEAKER_04 20:30

I needed, I still smoke, I needed a cigarette so bad, and they kept getting mad at me because I go, okay, I'll talk. Okay, I'll talk. Then they put me in a cell with this maniac that was chained to the wall, but I had a little bit of a cigarette and a striker. Yeah. So he spoke a little poquito English. Yeah. So I smoked a cigarette with him, then the Federalis came and got me, and I was teaching him, you know, put the handcuffs on like this. You know, it no, this guy's got blonde hair. It ain't the same guy. And they were looking for, you know, white uh Caucasian guys. And so I would I do it again? Yes, absolutely. Did we get paid? Not a dime. Matter of fact, I lost almost a million dollars. And he got, and the guy's getting out uh sometime real soon. I think October. Wow, wow. Thank you, thank you, Kamala Harris.

Bail Reform And Irena’s Law

SPEAKER_07 21:19

So that leads us into my next question to you. Bell reform. We all know that it's it's it doesn't work, and finally it's starting, you know how the pendulum swings both ways. We're we're coming out of that now.

SPEAKER_03 21:36

But if it's some states are just now getting into it.

SPEAKER_07 21:41

Yeah. But what tell because the audience here, they don't some of them don't keep up with the bail reform and stuff, and they don't know what's going on. But explain to these people that what bail reform does to your your county, your state, if it comes in.

SPEAKER_04 21:59

Well It's ridiculous. Uh they let, you know, a guy, even even uh a murder. Yeah, they let him out free completely. With just a pinky promise to show back up for mostly Democratic run states. California, New York, yeah, Maryland, Hawaii now.

unknown 22:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:21

It wasn't when we were there. Uh they just needed it. A lot of the Yankee states up there, you know. New York, yeah. Crime statistics are way up. Way up. There's no bounty hunters, they they don't need them, blah, blah, blah. So we, or you know, me at least, when we do a bond, uh, you guys too, I used to make my people check in every single day. And if they had a DUI, I put them in counseling. I took them, made them go to a DUI school or there's some kind of medicine they could take, or even if they brush their teeth and make them sick. And then I would counsel them and pray with them. And, you know, usually I was uh would answer the phone 24-7 on the weekends, and through the PR system, you know, it's ridiculous. They're like, what, four or five days a week? Holidays, they get two days off. I mean, it is absolutely ridiculous.

SPEAKER_07 23:16

So we just had in North Carolina here, I think you've seen it in the news. Arena's Law. Irena's Law. So um we had in Charlotte on the uh Metro, um the bus line, with they they had a there was a individual who'd been let out on bail reform 14 times. 14, 15 times. Yeah. And he stabbed that girl, just said she was just minding her own business and stabbed her and walked off while off the bus. Nobody helped her. Did she die? Yeah, she died. Man, and so that's what became Irina's law. No more bail reform in the state of North Carolina. Hallelujah. Now that's now they're taking judges and and holding judges accountable for stuff now. Yes, good. So now, and that's and that's all because of who you vote for, who you push, you know, who you who you support. Uh, and thank God, and thank God Josh Stein did not fight that law.

SPEAKER_04 24:17

That's your new governor. He wasn't a choice. He wasn't a first choice, but he's a Democrat governor, but he signed it. Listen, there are some Democrat men and women that are good Democrats, right? Uh a very few nowadays. Imagine if she would have won the presidency. Yeah. I'd be looking for a new country to go stay staying in.

SPEAKER_07 24:42

All right, Chad, uh, keep it going. Which one?

When A Skip Turns Life Around

SPEAKER_05 24:45

I mean, what I see. Um, you're up. Never know my okay. We see the cuffs, we see the takedowns, but we often don't see the follow-up. Have you stayed in touch with a skip years later that actually turned their lives around because of the talk that you do in the back of the SUV?

SPEAKER_03 25:07

Uh well, actually, I got a guy that works for me in Hawaii that we arrested on season two, episode three. His name is Bosco Parks. Now he's one of my uh top bounty hunters besides my son over there in in Hawaii. So he totally, he totally switched his life around like like completely. He's he's he gives all the credit to my dad, me and my and Beth.

SPEAKER_07 25:32

I know one that you we met because of you. Uh Kyle. Uh oh yeah, Kyle. Kyle Quill Quillson. Yeah, he's a good guy.

SPEAKER_04 25:39

Uh stay humble. Yeah. Yes. So Francie and I run into people. We don't, I don't, well, my best friend Paul Thompson uh rode with me in a motorcycle club, and he went bad, and I arrested him, and he was naked in this closet hiding from me. And so I made him, you know, get dressed and cuffed him and all that. I can't believe we're brothers, and you did this and that. So he went to prison for six years, and he just retired a year ago. He was the head guy of Pier One, uh the drug rehab in Colorado. But we meet a lot of people that say, Do you remember me? You did this and that. Uh Francie and I's uh wedding reception dinner. This guy came out of the kitchen, a big guy, right? And he said, Do you remember me? And I'm like, No. He said, You don't remember kicking in my door? And I'm like, I got your brother too that day. He goes, Yep. Because when I kicked the door in, his mother was peeking through the thing. And this big, you know how the uh it's like a crystal door handle. When I booted it, it hit her in the eye and just blacked her eye. And then I booted it again and it landed on her. And I walked over and I noticed that he was there and I drug him out, cuffed him. And then the brother came walking up and said, Hey, what are you doing to my brother? And I go, Listen, that's your brother. I got a warrant for you too, buddy. And he was bigger than the other guy. And he goes, Okay, I'll go to jail with my brother. So we met the one guy when at the wedding reception. So everywhere we go, we meet someone that uh because we arrested him, we changed their life. There is a few that's still up on the roof. Do you know that show with English when he was on the roof and we pepper blah blah blah shot him up? That's one of my favorite shows, up on the roof. Used to. I like the picture. But that guy, English, the guy told me the other day he's back in prison. Oh, is he? Yeah, so a lot of guys they just don't learn. You know, uh no matter what miracle happens, no matter what happens, in the Bible, uh, there was a rich man uh next to an angel and there was a poor man in hell. I mean, rich man in hell, poor man in heaven. And the guy in hell said, if you would just you know dip your hand in water and reach down and just touch my tongue, it is so freaking hot in here, and said, Well, there's a great gulf between us, I can't reach that low. And he said, Well, can you just make me come back to life so I can go tell my whole family that God is real? And the angel said, Hey, even if you come back to life, they're not gonna believe it. So, no matter what we do in anything, if they don't want it, they're not gonna get it. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 28:37

What's the one big fish that got away? He always say, because there's always that one. We I know we have one.

SPEAKER_03 28:47

Well, I wouldn't say a big fish. I've had guys that I had found that uh, you know, that was it was just cheaper to pay for the bond. But right, you know, so far, you know, we've been pretty, we've been pretty.

SPEAKER_04 29:02

I don't know, but I don't know who listen, and he kept saying we want to do the show where one got away, right? Because you caught them all. And we did catch Marco in Pueblo. Yes, ma'am. Remember, that's the 10-day hunt. Yeah, we got in the punk. Uh, yeah, so I don't know anybody that's ever it oh, here's how to get away from us die.

SPEAKER_03 29:25

Well, I'm I'm currently looking at the. You can almost say you can use a death certificate.

SPEAKER_04 29:29

Well, yeah, there's a guy in Florida that we hunted, uh, Brian Laundry. You ever heard that? He killed his okay. He's not dead. But to get me off of him or the cops, whatever, he knew I was looking. And uh he's in Mexico, so he's not dead. But who, you know, the warrant's gone, everything's gone. But that's I guess the only one that got away, and he's dead, so we had to stop.

SPEAKER_06 29:55

Right.

SPEAKER_04 29:55

But there's you know, that I can remember or know of, uh, we can't let him get away. It's just, and we we ask God, where are they? You know, sometimes I've had you know six hours before the bond was had to be paid. And we caught him in like we had an hour left. Call the clerk right now. We got him in custody. How do we know? Okay, let me do FaceTime. Is that them? And the judge would say, Dear Lord, in Hawaii, you only get 30 days.

SPEAKER_07 30:25

Oh man. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:27

We get 150 here. Oh, let's come to work here.

SPEAKER_05 30:30

Come on, baby, come on, man. Yeah, 150.

SPEAKER_04 30:35

Can you file a motion and get more?

SPEAKER_05 30:37

Uh if if you can get the DA to go along with it. Oh, I'm good at that. Yeah, I'm sure he's good.

SPEAKER_07 30:41

But you can come work for off the hook. I'm sure these fine people say, yeah. Sure. Yeah.

New Projects And Born To Hunt

SPEAKER_05 30:48

All right, Ted, your turn, buddy. All right, so this is for both of you guys. Um, what is one piece of equipment that you refuse to upgrade that you've been carrying for 20 years?

SPEAKER_04 31:02

One piece of equipment. I know they got new cuffs that you don't use.

SPEAKER_03 31:06

Yeah, but I I like my peer list, no, but I don't use them. What's with the plastic junks?

SPEAKER_04 31:11

No, they got this new one that the bounty hunters that uh the kind that showed it, and there's no key thing, or you just click a button and it locks it. That's the only thing that I would like to get from what I got is.

SPEAKER_05 31:23

What's something that you refuse to upgrade? That you're gonna keep it like probably your pepper spray.

SPEAKER_04 31:28

My cuffs, my hair.

SPEAKER_07 31:34

What? All right, so what currently, what projects are you working on, and what are you working on both of you?

SPEAKER_04 31:46

So I know y'all got some stuff in the mix. Well, it's kind of a secret because this will get out, but we have been bought we have been uh bombarded by the Guthrie case, and even my friends, Mary Ellen, told me to get on it, and then what's his name? Called Fox called you, and they called me, and you know, I think she's passed away. But uh anytime there's uh more than a$50,000, we're on it. Because it doesn't matter who does. You can do arrests, uh, which I do now all over the country. Uh, the citizens' right to arrest law supersedes any bounty hunter, any kind of anything. And the feds, this sheriff got all upset at me uh during the bride of laundry. He says, Who gives him the authority? Who gives him the authority to arrest someone that, you know, blah, blah, blah? And the feds said, Listen, we don't know who gives him the authority, but he's done a really good job for 40 years. So we just let him do it.

SPEAKER_03 32:47

So uh for me, I got a new TV show coming out here at New York.

SPEAKER_08 32:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:52

All right, born to hunt. It's gonna be good. It's it hopefully it'll be on uh a big streaming platform.

SPEAKER_07 32:59

Well, give me a call, we'll come down.

SPEAKER_05 33:01

We'll find out about it. What was the can you give us the name? Born to Hunt. Born to Hunt, Feeling Chapman. Born to hunt. All right, and Chad, you want to. So uh, this is for both you guys. So if you were not bounty hunting, what would the father-son chapman business be?

SPEAKER_04 33:23

Well, go ahead. I don't know. So in the old in the back in the 50s, uh yeah, 50s, early 50s, there was a family, and it was called the Ma Barker gang. And she had three boys and her. Now, we would be the dog Chapman gang. I have seven sons, uh two, one is in prison now, Christopher. Uh, the other one got out. Uh, my oldest was in prison. Leland's the only one that ain't, you know, that has never, well, Wesley hasn't done nothing, Dwayne Lee either. But I think uh we'd all be some kind of hoodlums, some bank robbers. Why are you laughing? Huh? Well, I mean so we would have gone on the dark side. Right?

SPEAKER_05 34:21

Yeah, he said, yeah. Go ahead. Okay, let's see. Last but not least. All right. So we're gonna do questions for this. No, this one, this one's for you. Okay. All right. So if the Chapman Empire had to end without you, perish the thought. What's the unbreakable rule you would hope the next generation never forgets? Like, always wear your sunglasses even in church. What would it be?

SPEAKER_04 34:51

Well, uh, let's see. Say it again the song.

SPEAKER_05 34:54

The unbreakable rule that you would hope the next generation would would remember.

SPEAKER_04 34:58

Well, uh, you know, my when I do pass, Francie's left, and then he's the number one bounty hunter. So he prays, Francie prays. So I know I don't have to want to, I know that before every bounty that you guys would pray and ask, you know, Lord, protect us through this in Jesus' name, amen. We when we first started AE, we were the only show ever that said in Jesus' name. And uh Nancy Dubuque said, you know, we have a lot of Jewish and different uh religions. Can't you just say, you know, amen? And I said, Listen, my mom told me if you don't say in Jesus' name that it bounces off the ceiling. And she said, Okay, we'll try it. So we first show, second show aired, she called us back to New York, paid for everything, and I walked in, she goes, Listen, I don't care if you say in Buddha's name. Your family and Jesus just broke all records on television, even CBS, even NBC. And she goes, Whoever this, and Nancy's Jewish, and she said, Whoever this Jesus is, he really loves you guys. So I know that uh they would always pray. You know what?

Audience Q&A Kicks Off

SPEAKER_07 36:18

That's that's that's great way to tell you our questions. All right, so now uh we uh I I appreciate it about you more than anything, though. The checks in the mail, brother. Thank you. All right, so now it's time for some audience questions. So I'm gonna get up and Jesse here. Let me come over here. All right, you ready? Are you sure? Yeah, all right, here we go.

SPEAKER_18 36:49

Short sweet. Savannah here wants to know, Layland, are you still the fastest runner? And then also, if you will arrest her family, her whole family, but she wants her dad put in a separate cell, and then take her sister Megan and her family and put them in a different cell.

SPEAKER_03 37:11

I would say yes to all your questions. I am the fastest runner, and I will put whoever in whatever cell you want me to, just let me know.

SPEAKER_07 37:20

Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, here we go. I'm gonna get no I am I am walking through the crowd as fast as I can. All right, let's see. Uh your next book. All right, let's go with you. Speak loud.

SPEAKER_15 37:35

Thank you for coming to Wilmington.

SPEAKER_04 37:37

Ma'am, would you stand up? Well, you that helps your lungs. Okay.

Nancy Guthrie Case Theory

SPEAKER_15 37:41

Thank you so much for coming to Wilmington. And you brought up Nancy Guthrie. Can you share a theory you have about her disappearing?

SPEAKER_04 37:47

Well, right away I asked, did the did whoever grab her take the medicine out of her cabinet? Because she had a was on a lot of meds. And finally I found out not one medicine was taken. So that's where I conclude, you know, that she's in heaven. All right. Your turn.

SPEAKER_00 38:08

So um we we have all of your DVDs that we could find. And my aunt, um, we she drove all the way six hours from Asheville, and we've been trying to find all of your episodes, but we've tried eBay, we've tried Amazon. Past season uh four or five, we can't find anything. Where can we find all of the seasons?

SPEAKER_04 38:28

Uh I don't know. I thought on A E they still sell them, I think. Oh, okay. Oh, see, I don't know. I know they're still showing it everywhere. Amazon, all that stuff.

SPEAKER_07 38:43

Speaking of, I got I gotta say this real quick. Uh the camera's not gonna catch me when I say this, but I told Dog this earlier. Uh my mom passed away in August of last year, and uh after I left the hospital and went to her apartment and I walked in, Dog and Leland were on TV. So that's how that's how much you're loved. So thank you. Here we go. Your turn.

Marriage Safety And Separation Advice

SPEAKER_19 39:08

Okay, I'll try not to be too long. Okay, as a good Christian wife, my husband is injured and has attacked me. And I had to call the police, and we haven't contact word.

SPEAKER_04 39:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_19 39:28

Should I stay or should I go?

SPEAKER_04 39:31

Okay, let me answer.

SPEAKER_19 39:33

Ready?

SPEAKER_04 39:34

What's your first name?

SPEAKER_19 39:35

Uh Katie.

SPEAKER_04 39:36

Katie. Okay.

SPEAKER_19 39:37

I love you, by the way.

SPEAKER_04 39:38

I love you back.

SPEAKER_19 39:39

Love you, Leland.

SPEAKER_04 39:40

Love you too. Thanks. I'm Auntie. Hi, Auntie. Sister to me. So uh, should I stay or should I go? I would like you to talk to my wife. Francie, are you there?

unknown 39:53

Oh, Francie's here.

SPEAKER_04 39:55

Yes. Francia, she'll go get her in a second.

SPEAKER_07 39:58

Yes, Francie is here. She's she's the one running everything. Just by the way.

unknown 40:03

I run everything.

SPEAKER_04 40:04

No, okay. She's the salt in my pepper.

unknown 40:08

Thank you.

SPEAKER_04 40:09

All right, here we go. Your turn.

SPEAKER_13 40:14

First of all, I want to say hello.

SPEAKER_04 40:17

How's it?

SPEAKER_13 40:19

I said I um just wanted to say thank y'all for coming here and I absolutely love your whole family. Um, I binge watch. Like, if I got paid, I'd be a millionaire.

SPEAKER_04 40:31

Hold on, you've been what?

SPEAKER_13 40:33

Like I binge watch your TV show. Oh, okay. Like if I got paid for it, I'd be rich. But my question is, what is the hardest lesson that y'all have learned from chasing people who are running from their own life?

SPEAKER_04 40:49

The hardest lesson we've ever learned. Uh you got an answer to that, son?

SPEAKER_03 40:55

No, I just see some people, you know, they're uh they're they're good people. Uh, you know, and sometimes it's just you've it I feel like, you know, they're a good person, but they just got a black cloud that that follows them around. Good answer. You know, and uh it's unfortunate, you know, on on how life has worked out for them, you know, even though they're good people, we're still, you know, they're riding in our car, and you know, you would probably eat dinner with that guy, but then you look at his paperwork. Which is never like watch your children. Right, right.

SPEAKER_04 41:30

So let's go back to ma'am. Let's ask me that again because Francie's here now. All right. Here we go. So I do and answering your question. Yes, please. You want to come here?

SPEAKER_19 41:42

Okay, I'll give a little more of a backstory. First of all, we've been happily married for 23 years. Let me talk into those. Uh 23 years since I was 19. And he had a brain tumor our whole married life. I always took care of him. We didn't know it was a brain tumor. I'm just a hillbilly, and I called it quirky and compensated. But now that the brain tumor has been removed, um his brain injury is um causing him to see me as somebody I'm not. Basically his abusive mother. And he attacked and he attacked me. He grabbed me by the hair of my head and drop-kicked me to the floor. But it's not his fault. He's a good man, he's just sick, and I, as a good Christian wife, can't sort this out. I just can't. Because I don't believe in divorce. And mama, be careful. Mama. And uh, I don't want a divorce, but we live in the state of Indiana where they will let a brain-injured person divorce me, whether I want it or not. Yeah, because as a Christian wife, I can't I can't wrap my head around leaving the love of my life, but I'm not safe, and I don't know what to do because I've always been safe. And he's still in there somewhere.

SPEAKER_12 43:23

So I think that um you have some options, and I would say that I I agree with you, and we should do everything possible to try to save our marriages.

SPEAKER_19 43:38

Thank you.

SPEAKER_12 43:38

Um but I also know that if you're not in a safe place, that separation is possible and he should get some counseling, and so should you. Some trauma counseling. He needs to get some trauma counseling. And is he willing to do that? And that would be The first step. And if you're not safe in the home that you're in, then I would say that separation is okay. Because sometimes you need to separate to be safe and get him some help. And if he's not willing, then you may not have a choice.

SPEAKER_19 44:15

Well, right now we have a no-contact order because I had to call the police on him. And um, I think his brain tumor's growing back, and I don't even know if he's still alive right now. And it is so hard for a wife that's loved one man since she was a child.

SPEAKER_12 44:37

Of course.

SPEAKER_19 44:38

It's it to just stop. I don't even know how to. But everything's in my name. So I I am I did protect myself. I was a good Christian wife, but I got everything in my name. I'm not still.

SPEAKER_04 44:53

Let me ask this, Francie. If I had a brain injury and they took out my thinking and I started pulling your hair and whooping on you, what would you do to me?

SPEAKER_12 45:02

Well, I'd probably beat the crap out of you back, but strong woman right there. But I I would do the same. Like you you have to separate and try to get some help. And so we'll let you guys continue. I'll talk to you after.

SPEAKER_04 45:18

Thank you, ma'am. Thank you, ma'am.

SPEAKER_12 45:20

Thank you, Francie. Thank you, honey.

SPEAKER_07 45:24

Thank you.

The Hardest Thing To Overcome

SPEAKER_04 45:24

All right, your turn? All right, here we go. Will you stand up, ma'am? So I can you can talk. There you go.

SPEAKER_11 45:32

Okay. What's the most um thing you have to overcome?

SPEAKER_04 45:36

Say it again.

SPEAKER_11 45:37

What's the most thing you have you have to overcome in doing your bounty hunt? So what was the worst thing?

unknown 45:44

The biggest challenge.

SPEAKER_04 45:45

Not you know, not beating them after I cuff him. I only beat I only beat one man while he was cuffed. And I while I kicked the door in and he was laying on top of something. It smelled really bad. And then I go, What's underneath you? And he goes, Nothing. And we raised the blanket, and there was this purple body. And I go, Who is that? And he goes, It was my wife. She died of an OD three days ago. And I go, What are you doing? He goes, I was having sex with her. So I cuffed him. I had my metal uh cowboy boots on, my metal chips, and I booted him right in the mouth. And that's many years ago, so it's past the 20, whatever, 40 years, whatever.

Pepper Spray Survival And Nonlethals

SPEAKER_07 46:30

I understand the same thing. Yes. So all right, so I got a little man here. You want to stand up in the chair? Come here. Come on, hang in the middle. There we go. Alright. Ready?

SPEAKER_17 46:46

How do you survive pepper spray?

SPEAKER_04 46:49

Say it again.

SPEAKER_17 46:50

You survive pepper spray.

SPEAKER_04 46:52

How do we survive it? You eat it for breakfast. You don't you don't uh survive it. You gotta you gotta Oh, do I use pepper spray still? How do you how do you survive the pepper spray? Do you use egg and put it all over you, but if you use water, it burns worse. So we quit doing it because a cop started complaining that, you know, we put a guy in jail and the whole jail stinks like it. So now we use non-lethal weapons, and he's got he carries a gun. So, and I even have my taser right now. So we either tase him, and my wife carries a gun. So we either tase him or shoot him.

SPEAKER_07 47:36

Yeah, I accidentally tased a man sitting beside you one time. All right, let's see who's next. Let me get right here.

SPEAKER_16 47:47

Hey Leland, I love you, and I have for you. There you go. You're being big fans of you two dog. I was just gonna ask Leland totally off subject. If I run, will you chase me? And don't shoot, though. Brassy, don't shoot. That's all I just wanted to ask. Love you guys. I'm glad to be here from Raleigh, North Carolina.

SPEAKER_04 48:07

Thank you for coming. Ready, ma'am? One, two, three. Get him, Leland!

SPEAKER_07 48:14

All right, let's get back here. We got a couple more. All right. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_14 48:20

Hello. Great to meet you. I'm from Cincinnati, Ohio, so this is a very iconic moment. It's okay. I'll take the hate. Um, but dog, I am a I became a widow at 27, and I see a lot of the hate that you get online for falling in love again. I also fell in love again after I made great memories with someone that I hold very dear to my heart. Right. So, what would you say to the haters that don't want to see you in love?

SPEAKER_04 48:48

What did I say?

SPEAKER_14 48:50

What would you say to the haters?

SPEAKER_04 48:52

What have I said? Francie, you would not believe what they were.

SPEAKER_12 48:58

I want to speak to that.

SPEAKER_04 48:59

Yeah, scared. Francie Kelowna. Yay, Francia.

Grief Love And Public Judgment

SPEAKER_12 49:05

So I just want to say that what he went through in public. Can you imagine like grieving? Because I did. I lost my husband too a year before Beth passed away. And so can you imagine doing that in public? And then every you know, millions of people telling you that you can't move on, like you don't have the right to do that, would be horrible. When I first met him, I was like, this is just how did you grieve like that? But the thing that I want to speak to that is nobody knows the things that we talked about to my husband that passed away, his name's Bob. So people don't know what Bob and Beth talked to us about. The things that they told us in private, because you watch them on TV and you're huge fans, you don't know what their marriage was like. You don't know the relationship that they had. Bob nor Beth would ever want dog and I to be alone for the rest of our lives and not find happiness again. Now, Beth had a list of people that he wasn't allowed to marry.

SPEAKER_04 50:10

And I why are you laughing?

SPEAKER_12 50:12

I 100% agree with the list. But what would we be if we weren't happy again, miserable, and living a life longing after somebody that is not with us anymore? And it's not fair. And so I it just makes me upset that people think that dog doesn't have a right to be happy again and that he can't move on. They built a legacy together, and there is no one that ever is going to take that away or is trying to. And so, but for him to not be able to move on with life and have another chapter is so selfish. And so I'm glad that you found love again and that you are happy. Well, let them be mad, let them be mad.

SPEAKER_04 51:07

Yeah, yeah, just tell them see you wouldn't want to be it. Well, my second oldest daughter, Cecily, is here, and uh not that we as parents have favorites, but uh but she poked that out. I've said it as in the sons on the boys, but uh uh Beth's favorite child was Cecily. Cecily, where do you stay? She's over here. Come here, say so. Please. Come on, Cecily. Come up here, Cecily, would you? I like your hair, I told you in your makeup. You look really nice. Go ahead and sit myself right there, so Cecily, you know you're you were your mom's favorite child, right? Right? Until Gary was born, right?

SPEAKER_01 52:03

I was the one who had to do everything.

SPEAKER_04 52:05

Yes. So are you upset that I married Francie and two years after your mom is in heaven?

SPEAKER_01 52:11

No. I mean, honestly, just like Francie said, you know, you gotta move on with life. I know it's hard. It was very hard for me, too. But you know, at the end of the day, I'd rather him be happy than not have anybody.

SPEAKER_04 52:26

So, yeah, so she is the toughest of my daughters. She could probably or she could probably whip Wesley, huh? Oh, yeah, she could throw down. So uh again, whatever people say, the Bible says when someone goes to heaven and that you're released, it doesn't say for two years, ten years, or two days. So would Beth be upset about Francie? No. She's a good woman. Would she be upset about the 10 people that I would have married that she wrote on the list? Absolutely. And she said, if you marry one of these hoes, I will haunt your ass every night.

SPEAKER_07 53:14

I tell you what, Chad and I Chad and I knew Beth before she passed away. And I can say, and I'm sure Chad will agree with me when I say this, that she would be very impressed.

SPEAKER_04 53:28

Oh, absolutely. Would they get along? No. But she would be very impressed that I stuck with a Christian woman.

SPEAKER_07 53:36

All right. We have a couple more questions.

SPEAKER_04 53:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_10 53:41

Not really a question, but I just want to say thank you. Yes, sir. You guys coming. Stand up with me, Brock. This is my son Brock. He loves your show like many people do. Yes, sir. He watches it religiously. And let me tell you, brother, he knows how to pray. Oh, cool. He has there's something about him, something about him that he has a touch with above all of us. I promise you that. My wife and I have experienced that with him. He is a blessing that God sent us, and it's a blessing that I'm able to bring him today to meet y'all. So it is God's blessing.

SPEAKER_04 54:34

What's your boy's name? Brock.

SPEAKER_10 54:36

Brock. I really feel like what he has watched with y'all, and I hope that he will share it with you. I, you know, that one short minute. He is an honorary member of the O'Coney County Sheriff's Department in South Carolina. He's sworn in as a canine training deputy.

SPEAKER_04 55:00

Yay! Congratulations. And Brock, what did you want to say? Yeah. Yeah. What did you want to say?

SPEAKER_02 55:18

How many guns do you got? How many what?

SPEAKER_05 55:22

How many guns do you have?

Closing Prayer And Where To Listen

SPEAKER_04 55:23

Uh a lot. It's all private. So Brock, are we about done? So we're about done. So we're all gonna stand up and Brock, would you lead us in a prayer?

SPEAKER_02 55:38

Yes. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 55:39

Okay, everybody let us please stand up. Ready, Brock? You start when you like.

SPEAKER_02 55:51

And then and two. And how many commands? Amen. Yay, and Brock.

SPEAKER_04 56:01

Brock, can you hear me? He can hear you. Say in Jesus' name, Amen. So say that, please. Amen. Yay.

SPEAKER_07 56:12

All right. All right, give it up for the. Thank you, folks.

SPEAKER_04 56:16

God bless.

SPEAKER_07 56:17

That is the best way to end the podcast for sure. Guys, thank you so much for coming out. You're very welcome. You can listen to all of our podcasts. YouTube, Spotify, we're all over the place. Check us out. Off the hook Bellbond Podcast. We love you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_09 56:41

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