Off The Hook

North Carolina’s Irena’s Law, AI Risks, And A Bondsman’s Grim Case

• Chad and Rob • Episode 1030

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The episode opens with light, fast banter—Thanksgiving plates, 80s party gear, and the annual sprint to string up lights—then it pivots into the kind of talk that actually affects our streets and our courts. We lay out what North Carolina’s Irena’s Law changes in plain language: tighter pretrial release for violent offenses, secured bail expectations, and written accountability from judges and magistrates when they choose a different path. We also touch on added prosecutor resources in the county where a high‑profile case sparked the reform, and why documentation beats rhetoric when freedom and safety are on the line.

From there we tackle AI, not as a buzzword but as a growing stress test for trust. A smart lighting box seems harmless, yet it opens a door to bigger worries: automated agents that “decide” what to send or hide, and deepfakes convincing enough to bend public opinion overnight. We share how to keep your bearings—verify sources, look for provenance, and treat viral videos like suspects until they’re cleared. If you run a small stage or a small business, AI can help. If you’re a citizen trying to make sense of politics and policy, healthy skepticism is now basic hygiene.

The heart of the hour is a bondsman case we call “Polly the Perv.” A $25,000 bond looks routine until the defendant misses court, numbers go dark, and weeks of calls end with the hardest news: a fatal overdose in a bathroom, far from home. We break down what happens next behind the scenes—certified death certificates, registrar seals, scanned envelopes, and filings to satisfy the clerk, DA, school board attorney, and insurers. Good process matters because past frauds poisoned the well; now only meticulous records clear the ledger. It’s not glamorous, but it’s how the system protects taxpayers, victims, and the people holding the risk.

If you care about safer communities, fairer courts, and knowing what’s real in your feed, this one’s worth a full listen. Tap follow, leave a rating or review, and share the episode with someone who’s debating bail, AI, or both. Your take might change a mind—and your reply might sharpen ours.

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When people are leaving from the development, they have a responsibility to appear in color. But some of these people choose to go on the wrong thing. And that is when these guys come into the picture.

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Very five people.

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These are real stories, but the names have been changed.

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Rob here. And I'm Chad. What's up? Oh man, Chad, are you are you done with turkey yet?

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I've turkeyed out, dude.

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Uh, me too. How was your Thanksgiving, by the way?

SPEAKER_03:

Um, mine was mine was good. How about yours?

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Uh good. Uh I had a we had, you know, just like pretty much like most everybody else, we had a bunch of people come to the house and eat and leave.

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And freeloaders, I like to call them.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh but it was good though. Um, and you know, I tried to be good. Like, you know, I've been on this diet for a couple weeks, like trying to stay away from the bread and the sugars. It was totally it, I just couldn't.

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Uh yeah, okay. I I stayed on mine pretty good. Pretty good.

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Oh man.

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Beered a little bit, but not too bad.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, yeah. But you afterwards, though, I just stuck with the like the ham and the turkey and some of you know some of my vegetables. That was it. Uh, I didn't do no bread, didn't know nothing like that. So it's it's done good so far, but I didn't.

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I did bowls of turkey with gravy.

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Oh yeah.

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That's all.

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Just gravy on everything. That's all gravy on turkey. That's so amazing.

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It's kind of carnivore-ish.

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Yeah. No, no, I'm with you, bro. Um, I'm the speaking of what man, we got I'm I'm hungry, man. God, I haven't eaten yet. Uh um, oh man, dude. All right, so this weekend, guys, let me uh let me tell you something. I got Chad sends me this picture. He's you know, he's he he was telling me about his party he's going to Saturday night. Oh yeah. So he sends me, I'm like, dude, you guys send me a picture because I mean he's he's hyping it up, right? So he sends me this picture, and lo and behold, oh my god, it was on point. It was a great picture. Now, Bethany, I gotta give it to you. Hands down on the fanny pack. Went great. Love it. Oh, I can't worry, I'll send it. I'll send it and I'll put it up here where people can see it. Believe me, hang on. Yeah, we'll keep going. We'll keep going. I'll show you in a minute.

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One of my neighbors, um, it was him and his wife's 50th birthday. They were celebrating together, and so we had a party at the clubhouse and um 80s theme, and it was really cool. They had like little 80s things, like a trapper keeper and pop rocks, and you know, just various items you would find in the 80s, and it was really, really done good. It was it was a great party. People showed up, and they were 80s rockers like Guns N' Roses with with uh they make these sleeve tattoo things that everybody was wearing, and uh I I had to be Don Johnson.

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I had to give it to you, Chad. Yeah, I mean it was it was on point. Let's see here. Yeah, uh I'm gonna get it. Believe me. Let's see, I'm gonna I gotta download it first.

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Okay. So um, but yeah, everybody showed up and it was it was a good time, man. It was cool. I I wanted to be Don Johnson when I was a kid.

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All right, guys. I'm gonna put this up. Bethany, don't kill me. Oh yeah, look at that, bro. Look at that. Look at look at the the shades, the pink, the white.

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Yeah, I even had the the the shoulder belt uh for my gun uh on my shoulders underneath my suit and my badge.

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That is awesome. But Bethany, I love I'm loving the the painted page.

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She teased the hair and did the whole nine. Yeah, it was it was cool.

SPEAKER_05:

And then he you know when we were talking this morning about it, um, it was funny because he was uh Terry was telling me about he said he mentioned trapboard keeper. And I was like, man, I remember having one of the nostalgic man for 80s. God, but it was the most useful thing too. Absolutely. Like I remember being in like elementary school and then and it I don't know, they might still have them. I don't know. Oh, I'm sure they do. I'm gonna have to get me one now from a bag. So I'm gonna go do a bond. I got a rip out of uh that'll show you. Yeah, yeah. Oh man, that was fun. Oh god. All right, so now it's Santa Claus time.

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So yep, I'm I made it official. We put up the tree day after, and uh, you know, I've been out in the yard climbing palm trees and putting lights around them and all that fun stuff.

SPEAKER_05:

So you haven't failed yet?

SPEAKER_03:

No, no, thank goodness. It hurts, man. Palm trees.

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Yeah, yeah. I just I just trimmed mine, man. It was just horrible. Um okay, so now since uh that's over with, we got we gotta talk about what's going into effect today.

SPEAKER_03:

So at the uh the filming of this today's Irena's law goes into effect for North Carolina. A lot of everybody's watching, you know. I don't know, they're making a big deal out of it. Like, yeah, this is just going back to basically what we used to have. Like it main point common sense. Well, yeah, it it has to do with violent offenses and secured bail. You know, you're not letting people out on pinky swears that you're gonna show up for court. It's actually um so all right. There's actually a lot of laws coming out. There's approximately 25 to 30 laws coming out today. But you're gonna we're gonna touch on a few of them. So HB House Bill 307, Irena's Law, reforms pretrial release for violent offenders with stricter bail rules, mandates mental health evaluations, adds sentencing factors for crimes on public transits, and provides funding for more prosecutors in Mecklenburg County, which is where the Irena girl got stabbed, which I think that one particular county gets more funding. Just need more sense.

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You need more because you know, because it's it's a it's a liberal run city.

SPEAKER_03:

That's it. I mean, you need more sense. You don't need more money. Yeah.

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You need how about we just stick it to them? But you know what? My favorite, my favorite part about the law is is holding magistrates and judges accountable.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, that's actually another one that they can be removed, remanded um if they do not have written uh reason for not giving following these orders. Yeah.

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I I'm I'm it's curious to see how things are gonna go from here on out. Right. Um I don't know what it looks like, nobody else does. Um like I said before in the past, it they act like it's some big secret thing that you know we don't know, we can't say. Well, I mean, whatever, but it is what it is, and I'm glad that North Carolina was the first state to step up and say, you know what? No, we're done.

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Yeah.

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I I'm really glad about that too. Mm-hmm. All right, Chad. All right. I gotta go a little rant about Venezuela.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh yeah. I haven't really paid much attention to that, but it seems like you have. So how about it?

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you know, there Trump's going, he wants to go in. And alright, so Monuro is we all we all know you can like I don't give a damn what you think. We all know that they send drugs via boat via through Mexico, the whole nine, they they send it to the US to kill your family, your friends, everybody. Everybody's been affected by fentanyl, right? So there's the these little drug boats are they're running and they're blowing them up, right? Yeah. And now people are getting shitty about it, and now what what do they try to do? Every time you turn around, they're always trying to come at Trump about something.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, this is about the crimes against war or something. War crimes or something? War crimes, yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

So they're they're they're trying to come after him because they hit they hit a boat, and evidently there was a couple of survivors hanging on by a thread.

SPEAKER_03:

And so wait a minute, they're out in the middle of the water, they've been hit by a missile, yeah, and they're barely surviving. To me, the best thing to do would be put them out of their misery, like you would an animal if they were shot, you know, or you know, injured really, really bad beyond repair.

SPEAKER_05:

Right. So they hit the boat again and and and just killed them, you know, killed them. Kind of the humane thing to do. Well, kind of the thing, don't bring drugs to the U.S.

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that that too. Yeah, I don't see why anybody would be opposed to that, but I'm sure there are.

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You know what it's always something. They don't care what it is or how how logical it is, it doesn't matter. They don't care. And it it pisses it pisses me off for one, you know, because like I said, everybody's been affected by it by fentanyl. Yeah.

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If you can't get behind this and listen, just do something about it, then so then you're the fucking problem. Get the hell out.

SPEAKER_05:

Okay, that's my that's my rant. I hear you, man. I agree. Get it? Yep. Yeah. What's up next? Alright, so another thing is is alright, so we we've talked about this before on the show. AI.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, yeah. I've been seeing some really interesting stuff about AI. I kind of I kind of use it. Um I'm getting more and more into using it.

SPEAKER_05:

So here's here's my thing. And so last night I was having a conversation with my bass player in a band because uh we ordered this, it's a little uh box, the DMX box, right? And it controls all your lightings on stage. And you don't have to have a lighting guy no more. It does it for you. It knows what your your song you're playing versus when you're just talking, the whole nine. So me and him were just I uh because I can't quite fathom, I don't think anybody can quite fathom of how AI, how smart it is, because you're talking about something that's not human that's supposed to mimic us. And we had a big long conversation of how how dangerous it could be. I'm like, all right, how dangerous could this this just this simple lighting box? How simple, you know, is there anything dangerous about that? And we're like, not that we can think of. So we started talking about other things like um there's a story that he read that uh it was his company and they made this uh an employee in AI, but wasn't actual person, but it was responding to emails and stuff like that, and eventually it got to where it was hiding emails. Uh, if I am not gonna send this, because if I send this, I will get fired. It was thinking on its own. Wow. Like, how how wild is this shit gonna get? Like, dude, it's it's scary.

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I think the majority of people that think about AI, they think of it as another form of Google as a search engine, right? You know, and it's a lot more than that. Yeah, it's it's hard to fathom, you know, for most of it it's a processor taking algorithms and telling them how to think like a human.

SPEAKER_05:

Almost like what's that movie? Um the one with Will Smith in it. iRobot. Oh yeah, yeah. Uh oh Terminator.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's it's amazing, you know, um what all it's gonna do. I saw a I I'm on TikTok, you know, and I look at there's this guy I follow, he's a funny bodybuilder that um he he points out funny things that happen at the gym, which basically me, I I do that.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, I anyway, there's this guy that he saw that And believe me, you tell me all the time when he comes in, he's like, Man, you can tell you about his ass hung on the gym.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, you're right. I just yeah, that's another topic. But anyway, this guy's like he's he finds another guy on social media and he's putting him up on his screen, and like he's going through all the comments, and like this guy does it before and after, he's like fat and you know, like out of shape. Then it's like six months later, he's like jacked, ripped, and you know, right, and like this, you know, and then he's got like other videos of him as he's ripped, and it's totally AI, but it's so good. Yeah, and he you go through and you read the comments, and people are believing it. So, I mean, on that scale, I'm like, yeah, it's gonna get more and more like that. Just think about the possibilities people are gonna do. I mean, if you wanna if you want to make somebody look bad or um like an elected official, you know, say they did something, hey, here's the video of it, you know. Didn't really happen, but you can make a video. Right. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05:

Right, and that's the whole conversation that me and me and my buddy were having.

SPEAKER_03:

The possibilities are just crazy. Yeah. So you can't, you know, there was that saying you can only believe half of what you hear and quarter of what you see or something.

SPEAKER_05:

I mean, well, I don't even I the news, news is horrible. Now you got AI, you're like, oh God, you know, this is another way for liberals to manipulate. Only gonna get more complicated, it sounds like. Well, speaking about crazy ass liberals, uh, they let this uh dude in um into our country and he ended up shooting two National Guardsmen in DC. One of them has passed away now.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

When is enough enough? When are we gonna stop healing? Where is he from? Uh he was from Afghanistan.

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Oh. Okay.

SPEAKER_05:

So where when are we gonna stop stop hearing Allah Akbar and start taking this shit serious?

SPEAKER_03:

Don't know. I mean, people need to see the threats right before you.

SPEAKER_05:

Look, these liberal white women, let's go ahead and say what.

SPEAKER_03:

White women are are white liberal women are the problem. Yes, they are they are the problem. But speaking of they want to solve problems that have nothing to do with them.

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Speaking of white liberal women. Yeah. Uh so before we get into our next segment, we just want to say we we uh you know our hopes and prayers are with the families of the uh two servicemen that were shot. Um it is it's horrible of what's going on in the country, and and we're hoping something gets done. ASAP. So, Chad. What you got? Do you know what time it is?

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Is it liberal meltdown time?

SPEAKER_05:

It is liberal meltdown time. If I can get this thing to play, let's go.

SPEAKER_01:

If Trump declares martial law on April 20th, which is the rumor.

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Martial law. Martial law. Martial law.

SPEAKER_01:

April 20th. April 20th. They got every date and everything.

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They are sending people to the dance now. You're doing it!

SPEAKER_01:

But that was what PJ said yesterday.

SPEAKER_05:

Okay, so I left their kids. White women. White woman. White whatever.

SPEAKER_01:

The more and more I watch of Orange Man, the more I'm like, I just want to call my dad up again and tell him how much I fing hate him. This government.

SPEAKER_00:

This administration. I'm so freaking nervous. I hate it. I hate the orange cloud. I'm addicted, I'm addicted, I'm addicted to anime or I'm confused about what gender I am. Now let me tell you how to fix the country.

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All right, well, that is nice.

SPEAKER_01:

That is oh, hold on, hold on, uh, I will be on a hunger strike until kill more home.

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In El Salvador, where we belong.

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Do you hear me? Do you hear me?

SPEAKER_07:

Donald Trump will invoke the insurrection act on April 20th, 2025, and declare martial law. Come back here when I'm right.

SPEAKER_05:

I always didn't happen. As usual, you know, it's the fear-mongering, it's the white women. I'm telling you, like 95% of the people that was going crazy in that video, it was white women.

SPEAKER_03:

It always is.

SPEAKER_05:

What the hell's wrong? Like, what is what's the problem?

SPEAKER_03:

I don't know. They're gonna make one up and solve it. Sounds like ice ice baby over there.

SPEAKER_06:

Oh my god. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Yo, there's a problem. Yo, I'll solve it.

SPEAKER_03:

Right? Oh, geez. She would call while we're on the air.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh, sorry about that, guys. All right, so Chad. Yo, you're the your story of today.

SPEAKER_03:

Polly the Perv. Polly the Perv. Okay. Yeah, so this one's one that I had.

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Now, get back to Polly the Perv.

SPEAKER_03:

Polly the Perv. Okay, so this was one that I had years ago, um, pre-rob, I believe.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh, yeah, yeah, I think so.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. So it was a$25,000 bond I did for a guy. Um, he had a strange little man friend that called me and wanted to uh bond his buddy out. I was like, okay, sure. And um they lived in outside the Fayetteville area, I believe, somewhere like that. Anyway, um some time went on and uh he missed court and uh I pulled my paperwork, started looking for him. I mean this is gonna be you know relatively short one, but this is one that we run across sometimes and it's we actually just filed paperwork uh on a bond, yeah. Yeah, so it happens um in in cases, um, but it it's still difficult in most cases because you rely heavily on your co-signer.

SPEAKER_05:

Right.

SPEAKER_03:

And in this case, I got a hold of paperwork, and then this has been months later. And these some of these cases they go on and on for, like I said, up to two years. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

I've seen they have seen longer.

SPEAKER_03:

Some some even longer, depending on you know how bad the case is, you know. It's tied up in superior court. Anyway, this was one that had to do with um underage um sexual exploitation of a minor.

SPEAKER_05:

Now, now we have we have, you know, it's hard to try to figure out these bonds about sexual exploitation. Like when you go bond to mouth.

SPEAKER_03:

Now, before you get all angry out there and you know, he's he he walked on. Cool. So, you know, we do not write bonds just because somebody's right has a handful of money or whatever, you know, for a bond. It's not how it works. Um we have to listen to the story and we have to get a good grasp of where the person's from, how well they're rooted. And um and we look at their their history too. So you know, we have to make a uh educated guess, I would I guess you would say on these cases a lot of times. And this particular person seemed to be a reasonable um risk. Right. Reasonable. I mean we there's no there's nothing perfect in the world, but um if he would have had like a history of of this stuff, then I would have been no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not doing it, you know, and I've I've turned many away. But anyway, it seemed reasonable enough. He didn't have a lot in his past um of this particular charge. So I wrote the bond. Um, like I said, months later, several months later, um, I get a forfeiture notice. Yeah. And then, you know, I pull the paperwork. The phone numbers no longer work. That's when you kind of start freaking out a little bit, you know, that you were given almost a year earlier.

SPEAKER_05:

Right.

SPEAKER_03:

You know, a lot can change. Location, phone numbers. Um anyway, um, I start doing my research, um, looking for a circle of people around this person, family, whoever. I finally found um someone who gave me a number to another person who knew the cosigner and I was able to get the number from that person of the cosigner, because his number had changed too. And um, I said, Hey, this is uh called him up, said, Hey, this is Chad the bondsman that helped you about almost a year ago get your buddy out. And um, I need to find out what's going on with him because he missed court. He said, Didn't you hear? Like, what do you mean didn't I hear? He's like, Well, he died. I was like, Oh, oh, well, um I mean, I'm sorry, I don't I didn't get told that information, you know. Um he's in Fayetteville. I'm in Wilmington, that's literally like two and a half hours away. Yeah. So um anyway, he said, yeah, he uh he died of a drug overdose in a Taco Bell bathroom.

SPEAKER_05:

That's gotta be the damn shittiest place to damn kill over at right.

SPEAKER_03:

I know. Um so I mean I don't know. He was he was going through a lot of stress over this case and all like that. I don't know. I'm not don't know exactly what happened, but according to this person, you know, he had been started taking drugs and was stressed.

SPEAKER_05:

So now, all right, so now that we know he it that he died. Now we we've just like I said, we just filed another forfeiture uh the 21st, actually.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Um, where she passed away.

SPEAKER_03:

And that was a violent, um, that was an assault case. Oh yeah. She died of a what might be a murder.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah. And and it's wild. So and another thing, all right. So you've got in North Carolina, you got good bondsmen as you got shitty bondsmans, right? Well, there have been shitty bonds in the past who d who faked uh a death certificate and to turn it in to get off the bond. And that makes it look bad for everybody.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I mean, some of these, you know, you've got a lot of money riding on some of these, and uh, you know, you get desperate in certain situations if you didn't cover yourself well enough.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And uh yeah, I've heard of that. And so when you when you go get a death certificate, obviously we get a certified copy copy from the uh registrar's office, register D's or whoever, you know, has those birth deaths.

SPEAKER_05:

So you bondsmen out there, make sure you got your stuff right.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Make sure like I know with So we have to satisfy the school board attorney, the district attorney, um, the clerk's office, and our insurance company with all of this information when we file a motion to be relieved of a case. Yeah. We only have um, what is it, seven seven reasons we can get off a bond?

SPEAKER_05:

Uh there's more than that. Is it more? Yeah, it is it's more than that. It's like it's like nine. Yeah, it's not.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I'm thinking I'm going by old paperwork. Anyway, um, so yeah, that's a box we rarely get to check.

SPEAKER_05:

But anyway, um So make sure this is what this is so this is what we did on the last time that uh we just filed on the 21st. Is like New Hanover County gives you like this like this envelope from from the records department that it's supposed to go in. So they they certified it, they notarized it the whole nine chance. I took pictures of I scanned that, I scanned the envelope it came in, right? Everything and I sent that.

SPEAKER_03:

CYA, as Bill Bill Perigo used to say, CYA. Yes, cover your whole ass. Yeah. So I I'm hoping But what one thing about this though is even though he died in that Taco Bell bathroom, I was able to uh go on the internet and I found an article about about this the case, so I printed that out. You gotta have as much evidence as possible to back up your story, and um just because he died there, um he was from a different area. So as far as finding uh the actual death certificate is a little more complicated.

SPEAKER_05:

Right. Yeah, yeah. Wow.

SPEAKER_03:

Yep. So uh that was Polly the Perv. Polly the Perv, yeah, it's a short one, but one that we don't get to run across too often.

SPEAKER_05:

Now, and and like I said, and and like Chad and I uh have both agreed on, like with this podcast, we try to to educate other bondsmen too. Yeah. So that's another reason why we, you know, like do this a story like this, so we can tell you guys what to do uh in case of if somebody dies on you.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, it will happen if you're in this long enough. Um we've had a few.

SPEAKER_05:

Yep. And uh dude, man, you know, we had a comp we had somebody comment on one of our videos uh not too long ago. Let's see. What'd they say? You know? Uh they were kind of like being a little bit on the uh upset side about us with uh Trump. They didn't like Trump.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh well, there's other channels.

SPEAKER_05:

Well, this is true. I'm gonna find it. Oh, here we go. And then he sent and then he put another YouTube link in a some like conspiracy theory. I hate to say it. I he this is from Ken Pop Loski 5712 four days ago. Okay. Looks like he had to edit it. I hate to say it because I voted for him, but Trump is a snake. We were sold desperation just like COVID. He is Jewish. He is on board with the AI takeover. He's New World Order.

SPEAKER_03:

Look at Well, AI, I mean, okay, you want to go back to AI and talk about that. Do you think we're the only country that's that's it's basically an AI race, basically, for this um this uh technology to see who's gonna lead it, I guess. Um we're not the only country that has it. If you don't if you don't learn something, you're basically gonna be a victim of it.

SPEAKER_05:

Well, he di it it goes on and on, but he said he was at the uh stop the steal rally, he's at January 6th rally, and uh Charlie Kirk figured it out and was killed, and his honeypot wife sold him out.

SPEAKER_03:

There's a lot of theories on the city.

SPEAKER_05:

Let me tell you something. I don't care how how you feel about Charlie Kirk and his his wife, because we I really I I don't give a shit no more, like your your thoughts. But to to to drag uh his wife into this mess, you know, that it's just it's just kind of wrong. I don't I don't care who you are, you know, leave leave she's already she's already got to raise children without a father. And only because he was a you know he was a good guy, and now, you know, you got idiots like Ily Omar talking talk shit about him. You know what? People like that are the problem. So I I don't I don't like to hear that. So please do not comment on our YouTube channel about Charlie Kirk or his wife. And I think Chad would agree with me on that one.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Leave that leave that dude alone. Um yeah, you need to pick a different topic because he can't answer.

SPEAKER_05:

Exactly. So Lord, your phone's been blowing up now, mine's blowing up. What the hell? Oh, man. All right, so Christmas is coming up. Did you did you ask for anything special?

SPEAKER_03:

No, I can't think of anything, man.

SPEAKER_05:

You go get some uh you gonna get some underwear and socks this year? Probably.

SPEAKER_03:

Probably probably about due. But you know what I got? Dudes make it that far.

SPEAKER_05:

Make it to Christmas. You know what I got for Christmas? It's an early Christmas present because Chad gave it to me. You need it. You need it. Need it. Yes, it was it's uh it's the Bluetooth thermometer that you stick in the meat.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's awesome.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, I can't I cannot wait. I guess it's over there charging right now.

SPEAKER_03:

I can't stand overcooked meat.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh God, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

No, I love it. That's good for your prime bree up, man.

SPEAKER_05:

Look, man, I love I love I love my my woman's uh parents, but her mama and daddy love to burn the hell out of some meat. That would that would no cook that shit to dry them.

SPEAKER_03:

And you're like Yeah, uh, I cannot. Yeah, and I'm I'm more on the rare side. Yeah, yeah, you say me. I like it a little bloody. You know, you don't have to work worry about trignosis and pork meat either.

SPEAKER_06:

Oh yeah?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, that's that's been eradicated. So you can undercook pork and be okay, just like a steak.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh. Right on.

SPEAKER_03:

In case you didn't know.

SPEAKER_05:

No. But I can tell you this, I will be cooking prime rib here very, very, very soon. Right on, man. Since I got my new uh my new toy. Oh, absolutely. Well, guys, it's being real. It's been nice. It's the first of December. We only got another month, and we're back in 2026. Yeah, I'm leaving Wednesday. Oh, yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I'll be Is it Wednesday? What's that? Is it Wednesday you're leaving? Wednesday night. Wednesday night. I think I think Wednesday night. Maybe Thursday, early, early Thursday. Uh something like that. Anyway. Uh I'm not there yet. Enjoy, enjoy the vacation. Yeah, I just need to go somewhere warmer. It's a little chilly.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I and then Or a few days. I'll have the I'll have the phones and I'll be, you know, what hair I do have on Enjoy. Yeah, it be turned gray or turned loose. And uh I'll be ready for you to get back because I can go on mine in. All right guys, well, that's it for today. We love you. We mean it. I'm Rob. I'm Chad. And we'll talk to you later.

SPEAKER_03:

See you.

SPEAKER_02:

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