Off The Hook
We are a group of private investigators, bounty hunters / fugitive recovery agents, and bail bondsmen that have been in this line of work for over twenty five years and have many stories to tell. We have traveled all over the country catching fugitives and bringing them back to have their day in court. With our years of experience we are trying to educate the public about bail and why it is a needed part of our judicial system.
Off The Hook
The Queen of Bail: Michelle Esquenazi on Fighting for the Bail Industry
Michelle Esquenazi – the self-proclaimed "Queen of Bail" from Brooklyn and President of the National Association of Bail Agents – brings her fiery passion and straight-talking wisdom to the Off the Hook podcast. Recording from the North Carolina Bail Agent Association Conference, this energetic conversation cuts through misconceptions about the bail industry with Michelle's trademark no-nonsense approach.
When bail reform advocates promote the idea of "victimless crimes," Michelle forcefully counters with real-world examples of how crimes impact communities. Drawing from her extensive experience, she paints a vivid picture of how even seemingly minor offenses create ripple effects of economic damage for small business owners and their employees. The conversation recalls a memorable confrontation with a university professor promoting bail reform, revealing how academics often dismiss the practical expertise of industry professionals.
The discussion takes a fascinating turn into the political landscape, particularly in New York City, where Michelle maintains operations while splitting her time with Florida. Her candid assessment of political candidates promising "free" services without sustainable funding illuminates the challenges bail agents face across the country. Michelle hints at potential collaboration with the Trump administration to address industry concerns, suggesting high-level recognition of commercial bail's value to the justice system.
Beyond politics, Michelle articulates the bail industry's critical contributions that often go unrecognized. In North Carolina alone, bail forfeitures generate $10-14 million annually for school systems – funding that disappears when bail reform eliminates commercial bail. Most powerfully, she connects bail agents' work directly to crime victims: "If you don't bring back a human body to the order of the court, how is that person ever going to be made whole?"
Ready to understand why the bail industry matters to public safety, victims' rights, and fiscal responsibility? Listen to this episode and discover why Michelle's message to bail agents rings true: "You're not in the bail business, you're in the politics business."
When people are released from jail, they have the responsibility to appear in court, but some of these people choose to go on the run. They go back home to mommy, and that is when these guys come into the picture. So sit back and listen to the Off the Hook podcast with Chad and Rob.
Speaker 2:Very fine people on both sides.
Speaker 1:These are real stories, but the names have been changed.
Speaker 3:What's up everybody? This is Rob.
Speaker 2:And I'm Chad, what's up?
Speaker 3:We are here with our long, long-time friend and lover half to death, a badass, the queen of fail.
Speaker 4:Hey, now, that's her.
Speaker 3:Michelle Esquenazi. Hi, my favorite boy, hey how you doing, how you doing so excited in North Carolina Every time it's funny every time you come around, the New York comes out in me Every time you, and vice versa, the little country comes out in you, girl I know I just love it.
Speaker 2:I reckon I love it well you're down in florida some too, so you're not completely northern now.
Speaker 3:No, I was. I was down there not too long ago. Uh went to uh gulf shores okay, that's alabama yeah, alabama I'm in lower alabama, yeah, lower. Alabama. Yeah, it was pretty. We went to the Florida-Bama down there. That was pretty cool, I liked it.
Speaker 4:No, it's a nice area. I love it. It's very red, white and blue, Very blue, blue, blue.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm talking about. Law and order, you gotta come see us. If you come see us down there in Wilmington, you're gonna fall in love, because our coast looks so much better than Pensacola.
Speaker 4:Oh good God. No, it does not.
Speaker 3:Your water is brown. No, it's not, it is blue and clear. Baby, wait a minute, isn't it the?
Speaker 4:Atlantic Ocean.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's not the Jersey Shore that you're used to. No, I don't go to the beach on the Jersey Shore.
Speaker 3:That's kind of taking your life into your own hands. No, I tell you what when you come down to visit us, we'll take you out and we'll show you what your mission is. It's way better than Greensboro. You're going to end up buying a house guaranteed.
Speaker 2:Oh, come on now. I mean a lot of actors come there. I mean there must be something to it, right, yep Well, I need to say.
Speaker 3:Just saying so everybody's wondering what we're doing. So we are at the North.
Speaker 4:Carolina Bail Agent Association Conference.
Speaker 3:And they were gracious to have us as a sponsor.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:And Michelle's also a sponsor with NABO.
Speaker 4:That's right. I'm the president of the National Association of Bail Agents and we're here to support all the bail agents in the great state of North Carolina and we want to encourage all the bail agents to step up. Talk to your board members. They're your elders. Ask them what I can do to be a part of this great movement to save the profession of bail.
Speaker 2:Don't be silent.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:You eat, sleep and breathe bail.
Speaker 3:Yes, I do. Michelle will come after you and beat you. Come on, come on, come on, come on. That's the Bronx girl right, Brooklyn, Brooklyn.
Speaker 4:Don't get it twisted now. Okay. Okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:Those fighting words.
Speaker 4:Those are definitely fighting words. Brooklyn, where are you from?
Speaker 3:from. Brooklyn All right, so hang on, let me introduce her the correct way.
Speaker 4:Please do.
Speaker 2:I would not have guessed this, me neither no.
Speaker 3:Surprise.
Speaker 4:Me when I was young.
Speaker 3:All right, Can't play no more. We get, we get, we get striked, we get striked. If we keep playing it, oh, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, youtube gets us.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay. Yeah, they don't like that For some reason. Oh, that's not nice. Anything past ten seconds they don't like. Oh, they slap you.
Speaker 4:That's mean and nasty.
Speaker 3:It is nasty. So, since we're here At the conference, um, we have done a lot together with you.
Speaker 4:Yes, in the past over the years, over the years we've stuck together like glue that's right and we always will like peanut butter and jelly.
Speaker 3:Peanut butter and jelly yeah, peanut butter, that's a good combination yes, so um so on our podcast. You've been on our podcast before. Very early on you were on our podcast.
Speaker 2:We did a what was it, what do you call it? Where she was in Florida, zoom, zoom, there you go. Yes, I did that. We haven't had you in person.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it's nice to finally see you again. I'm so glad we got to see you.
Speaker 4:Oh, me too, you know, I love you all yeah.
Speaker 3:So tell everybody what we did one time in this little itty-bitty town outside of Greenville, North Carolina.
Speaker 4:We found out that there was going to be a pre-trial lady coming to kind of preach the marriage.
Speaker 2:She is a professor at the University of North Carolina.
Speaker 3:Okay, chapel Hill, chapel Hill Okay.
Speaker 2:And she teaches bail reform as one of her subjects. Okay, and yes, I didn't mean to.
Speaker 4:No, no, you're fine, we found out about it collectively. I don't know if you all found out about it and told me I don't really remember.
Speaker 2:I don't remember how it was, it's been a while. That was the first area district that was being introduced to bail reform in North Carolina. And she was coming there to show, to explain to all the judges, magistrates, anybody that would listen in the judicial system about how bail reform was a great thing, according to her.
Speaker 4:And do you remember that when we all came in, we got sent to?
Speaker 2:the back of the room. We were in the very back of the room?
Speaker 4:Yes, we were, they rose apart, yeah they put us right in the back of the bus.
Speaker 2:I was just looking for the video that I took at the end of the class and you wanted to speak to this lady and she just refused to speak to you.
Speaker 3:She needed a safe space after we got over her.
Speaker 2:She did need her space.
Speaker 3:Do you remember the?
Speaker 2:example she gave Michelle. Do you remember the example she gave?
Speaker 4:It had something to do with Thanksgiving, or was that me?
Speaker 2:It was something about a Miss Mary. She said and she used this example that she pulled into a gas station. She didn't have enough money for the gas, and she fills up her car and drives away and doesn't pay, that's illegal.
Speaker 2:It's called stealing Some people would say but the police arrest her and she talks about the options that they could give her a secured bond, but yet she didn't have money for the gas to begin with, okay, and then the other option was to just let her go and appear in court. Okay, hopefully, and you know. Then she explained how it was a victimless crime. Oh, yes, and then you pointed out this is not a victimless crime, right, right, I believe. Do you remember what you said?
Speaker 4:Yes, well, I don't exactly remember what I said, but let's just say, for example, that Jose Alvarez is the owner of the gas station Quick question Is he legal?
Speaker 3:Is he a citizen? No, he's a citizen. Okay, like my daddy was.
Speaker 4:Okay, he's my daddy's cousin from Cuba.
Speaker 3:Okay, okay.
Speaker 4:And he owned the gas station. Right, right and you done took $65 worth of his gasoline.
Speaker 2:Right right.
Speaker 4:Well, maybe that was someone's pay for the day for working behind the counter at the convenience store, right? So that is not what a victimless there is no such thing as a victimless crime, correct, because it's either crime against humanity, against a human, or crime against municipalities. So even if you're like the kind of guy that likes to steal stop signs and resell them, well you know that's a crime against a municipality. Somebody's got to pay for the crime.
Speaker 2:So how many little mismarries does it take to put somebody out of business?
Speaker 4:Well. I mean it could take. You know you do that a few times a week and you know you could really ill-effect Mr Alvarez's bottom line, my cousin.
Speaker 2:So what does Mr Alvarez do to compensate for the loss of money that happens to him? On that, I mean, he's got to. Usually they raise the prices of other things to compensate for that right, right.
Speaker 4:He's got to raise the prices. He's not going to take the loss. He's also got to reduce the size of his staff, right, right. He can't employ as many people because he can't afford to, right, so he himself has to probably work much, much harder, right.
Speaker 2:So it's kind of a snowball effect thing that people don't really think about. Like you said, it's not a victimless crime. No, it's not, no one got physically hurt, but in the pocketbook we'll hurt you to where you have to close the doors, potentially eventually.
Speaker 4:Well, money crime is money crime right. Correct I mean, take a look at Louis Vuitton in New York City, where I'm from right, louis Vuitton or one of these fancy watch places right, they all come in. Let's say Gucci, for example, they all come in. They're all wearing white hoodies and white sweatpants, nobody's got any IDs on them and they all come in like a gang of bandits.
Speaker 4:right to do shoplifting, right we call it boosting in our language right and they come in like a gang and let's say I don't know, my daughter's in there with the baby in the carriage looking around in the middle of the day at the mall. A lot of young moms, you know, take their babies and go to the mall and let's say she turns around and goes like this and one of the guys goes like that and she falls down and cracks her head and just by happenstance she bleeds out. I mean, this kind of thing happens throughout America. It's very underreported, but the fact of the matter is criminality is criminality and when you have crime that has no consequence, you have a society that walks around the earth with zero consequence. There has to be consequence in everything.
Speaker 2:That's right. Yeah, there doesn't have to be something extreme consequence, but you have to. If there's no consequence, then you're going to repeat it.
Speaker 3:It's going to repeat it, it's just going to keep happening. Now being that things keep happening. Now you're half the time in New York and half the time in Florida.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Speaker 3:Because we got some lunatics that are running for mayor now.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, in New York, in New York, that one guy.
Speaker 4:His name is Moron Mondani. Moron Mondani, that's his name, that's the name I gave him.
Speaker 3:So let me ask you a question about this guy.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Speaker 3:You're up there, we're not Unfortunately.
Speaker 4:yes, I am.
Speaker 3:And why are these people voting him in? Are they just not thinking it's?
Speaker 4:pretty easy.
Speaker 3:Is it just like fraudulent voting? No, no, no, it's pretty easy. I mean just like fraudulent voting no.
Speaker 4:No, no, it's pretty easy. I mean, the easy part of it is Free shit, free shit.
Speaker 3:Oh wow, I mean bottom line, you ain't going to have to pay to get on the bus.
Speaker 4:You ain't going to have to pay to get your kids to go to preschool.
Speaker 2:no more. That's right, he is promising all that.
Speaker 4:You ain even going to have to pay for rent.
Speaker 2:Right, so he's proposing all this free stuff. You're going to go in the grocery store and you're going to see one item of this, this, this You're looking at well, Cuba. I mean right my people, the people left Cuba because of this.
Speaker 3:Now, how many people do you know that are moving out of New York because of this?
Speaker 4:A lot moving out of New York because of this A lot. I will tell you. I have a lot of friends and colleagues in the upper echelon of New York society that own brownstones worth millions of dollars and things like that, and the thing about those humans is that they don't have to domicile in New York City, like our president. For example, djt has many properties throughout New York City. Right, he changed his domicile to the state of Florida because New York was just unfavorable and also coming after him. Right, but at the same time these people some of them I know have said to me if this is what's going to happen, they're going to offload because that's not their only home, you understand. They have a home, probably in Palm Beach, a home abroad, a home here. They don't need to retain that particular home for the 10 or 20 days that they're in New York, I don't know. Every six months they can get a, you know, a room at the Ritz Carlton or whatever the case may be. So they're going to offload their property.
Speaker 3:So how do you feel about him winning versus the guy that's going to be running against him? What's your thoughts?
Speaker 4:It's really a shit show, and the thing about it is Don Cuomo with his narcissism. He got thrown out of the governorship because he can't stop touching girls Right. So now he's coming back to the city. Everybody forgot that he touched girls. Everybody forgot about and forgot that he gave us bail reform like herpes and I'm just saying I'm just calling it what it is.
Speaker 3:It's kind of scabby. I agree. Just saying I'm just calling it what it is. It's kind of scabby it is. You know what I'm saying. I agree with you. I think everybody else does too.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so everybody forgot about that. You know why? Because he still kind of looks good and the women kind of like him. Oh, okay, right you know what I mean, and then you got what's his name.
Speaker 3:You got that his name. Got that greasy Gavin effect? Yeah, yeah, he does. He kind of does I hate. When I see Gavin Newsom talk on TV I just go. I can't stand him Because I don't like people that talk with their hands a lot like Nancy Pelosi does. I cannot stand it. It makes me want to like. Hakeem Jeffries talks like this yeah, yeah, when.
Speaker 1:I tell you that we are going to die.
Speaker 4:This is what it is going to be.
Speaker 3:So with you, with DJT coming back in. Amen to the preacher, so I remember when I talked to you down in at the first NABA conference I said what's going to happen if he doesn't win? You're like I'm out, I'm gone.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she said one of two things he won.
Speaker 3:So now I can. I was like, well, michelle's going to go full force, now she's going to go. Who me Full? You know, brooklynlyn on everybody I'm trump and a girl so have you? Have you had any conversations with the administration?
Speaker 4:well, um well, well, um, actually, I have to say that we are interested in that pathway and we are working toward that end, and that is where I will leave it at the very moment.
Speaker 3:Did it have anything to do with what he said not too long ago?
Speaker 4:Well, let me just say this no, no no, let's hear this.
Speaker 3:Okay, I'm listening, I'm all ears.
Speaker 4:That was not coincidental.
Speaker 3:Okay, okay.
Speaker 4:I'll leave it there.
Speaker 3:Well, I'm glad he's recognizing it. Enough said, and if he can change it, he can make things better than I am. Dude, let's go. Yeah, let's go. The problem is you've got to get through these judges, and here in North Carolina it's the judges.
Speaker 4:It's the judges everywhere, not just in North Carolina, Right right.
Speaker 3:I can only speak for North Carolina, because that's what we know, I know, I know.
Speaker 4:I know you all do and you have a lot of sheriff problems and judge problems and stuff like that. But I feel like you know what, when DJT was in office the first time he office, the first time he did post-conviction reform with that lady Alice that he plucked out of prison. You all remember that.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 4:And then he closed the book on criminal justice reform because he did post-conviction reform with Kim Kardashian and Miss Alice, so then he thought he was going to win again. And then you know what happened there, right, right?
Speaker 3:So he didn't win.
Speaker 4:Then we had four years of open borders and all kinds of criminality. Sleepy. June Our children getting murdered in the streets and all kinds of craziness. Craziness yeah, right, and now we got him back. So to think that this is not something that's going to be relevant would be to be a small-minded individual and, as you might know, I am not a small-minded individual.
Speaker 2:No, you're not.
Speaker 4:Especially when it comes to the four-letter word B-A-I-L.
Speaker 3:That is correct. This lady right here is tough. I'm telling you, if y'all have never met Michelle, I don't know how to explain it Michelle is, I don't know how to explain it. So her attitude is the toughest nail Her. You know her love for the bail.
Speaker 2:We need her, and she stepped up Her love for bail is just.
Speaker 3:It's more than anybody else that I've ever met.
Speaker 2:Thank you yeah.
Speaker 3:And that's why we have stuck with you for so long. Aw, thank you, because we know real people when we see them, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 4:Yeah, right, I appreciate that.
Speaker 3:Because there's a lot of fake ones out there.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:There is so let's talk more about what this association is trying to get done at this time, right now, at this particular time, rob, what is it? That's the latest as far as laws that you know of that came out in North Carolina. Have you heard anything?
Speaker 3:I've heard some rumors. You know, Regina, we talked to Regina about this, about the licensing and yeah, the stepping it up. Like separating the bear recovery from it, which I'm all for Right, Because you got some idiots out. I'm not going to say any names on here.
Speaker 2:Well, we're trying to clean up the image a little bit more.
Speaker 3:Because just like cops, you've got bad cops, you've got bad bondsmen. Yeah, you're having every industry, yeah.
Speaker 4:You're having everything.
Speaker 2:So, I think they're trying to up the standards, which is a good thing.
Speaker 3:I would like to see more of that. I would like to see it harder for you to get your bail license Because the upper class of bondsmen, you don't see no problems out of them. You don't see DUI coming at them.
Speaker 4:Well, florida handles that with the apprenticeship, right? You know what I'm saying? And that's a pretty easy way to determine who's going to kind of stay and who's going to kind of fizzle out, right.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 4:Right, because they got to work underneath an elder and you know there's a. There's a real if you look back at the beginning of time. In any successful organization it respects chain of command. It respects its elders right. Look at the Army, navy, air Force, marines, right, I mean, there's chain of command so likely to cure the problem. That needs to be the solution.
Speaker 3:Well, North Carolina did change that. So instead of one year being working under a Bosman, now it's two.
Speaker 2:Okay, good.
Speaker 3:So, it's moving in the right direction.
Speaker 4:Well, see, now that is all attributed to the North Carolina Bail Agents Association. And the one thing that I do know about bail associations they get a really bad rap and what happens is in the bail industry is about 10 to 20 percent of us do 100 percent of the work. The rest, everybody's doing their jobs, going to work every day. You know hunting bodies, maybe you know writing bail bonds and things like that, and they're like no, no, no, no, no. I think Michelle Eskenazi is going to do it or Jim Camp is going to do it from the North Carolina Bail Association. Ozzie's going to do it or Jim Camp is going to do it from the North Carolina Bail Association.
Speaker 4:My message to bail agents today, especially the younger generation, is get involved. Get involved in your future. You're not involved in the bail business, you're in the politic in business. So you need to join your chamber of commerce. You need to know who your county commissioners are. You need to invite them into your bail agency and show them what you do. A lot of our business is a minority owned.
Speaker 3:Well, this is the whole reason why we started the podcast. Chad Chad come up with the idea.
Speaker 2:Well, I thought it would be a good way to people like you know the recovery part of things, hunting people so they like that storyline. But they don't really know what we do, what we contribute. Educate, yeah, we educate. We put little bits of nuggets of knowledge, I call it, along with our episodes of going to go get them.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 2:So they see our value Right. We're the low man on the totem pole when it comes to the judicial system.
Speaker 3:But it's the one thing in the judicial system that's not taxpayer-funded, that works Correct, that's accountable, and that's what they're trying to get rid of and in this state.
Speaker 2:I'm not sure about your state, but in this state all of our money goes to the school system.
Speaker 4:I know, and that is so incredible.
Speaker 2:So anywhere for North Carolina we have 100 counties. That's really amazing and out of 100 counties, yearly we average somewhere between $10 and $14 million in forfeiture money that goes to the school systems.
Speaker 3:But here's the thing now you bring in bail reform. Guess who's getting cut out of that money? Our children, Teachers. They're not getting all these millions and million dollars anymore. You're getting half of it.
Speaker 2:Right and the accountability is no longer there for the people to show, which the defendant or, excuse me, the person that was offended, should have their day in court with the person who allegedly offended them. Right, right. So it's a double thing that we're doing, that's good Right.
Speaker 4:It's amazing what y'all are doing.
Speaker 2:And they see bail as a negative thing, like this professor that taught that she just sees it as a negative thing for all this professor that taught that she just sees it as a negative thing for all people like little Miss Mary, who couldn't afford her gas that day.
Speaker 4:Here's the thing about her she gets paid on Friday, Whether she works or not. She gets a check. You know what I'm saying when I come up, my daddy was a shoe salesman. If he didn't sell shoes, we didn't eat. Right, right, you understand so he was motivated by his career. Bail agents have skin in the game.
Speaker 2:Yes, they do.
Speaker 4:Fugitive recovery agents. They have skin in the game.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 4:And it's very important that we not only give people their Eighth Amendment right to bail. Right, it's enshrined in the Eighth Amendment long before we were alive, right, the framers thought it was an excellent idea and they enshrined it right.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 4:But not only that side of it. To return the warranted to the high order of the court so as not to have to sentence in absentia, to give a victim their ability and their families to make a victim impact statement. Look at the Idaho case that we just watched on television with that disgusting murdering guy. So he took a guilty plea right.
Speaker 4:And he's hopefully going to go into general population, but anyway, the victim impact statements were on national television. I work with a lot of crime victims, with a lot of crime victims, and I'll tell you the value of bail agents is really connected to the victims of crime, because if you don't bring back a human body to the order of the court, how is that person ever going to be made whole?
Speaker 2:That's right. That's right, exactly, yeah, so you know, a lot of people know that all they've got to do is cross the state line and they're free if they don't want to come back to court.
Speaker 3:But if you've got somebody like us on their butt, you can go.
Speaker 2:Might as well give them a head start. That's why we earn our keep, you know right.
Speaker 3:We show our value Matter of fact, we just wrapped up a case yesterday morning.
Speaker 2:Detroit From Detroit. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yep Randy, the president of the NCBAA, I reached out to this last week. I got the ball rolling Me and Chad did Called some of my friends up in Detroit.
Speaker 2:We thought that, well, it was a $10,000. So we figured you know, money, time, everything for us.
Speaker 3:it would be more efficient to outsource it and also, you know we weren't ready to pay $4,000 versus you know.
Speaker 4:Yeah, of course we're looking out Right.
Speaker 3:So we looked out for him, so I called Leland.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Speaker 3:And said hey, I said who do you?
Speaker 4:got up in Detroit. Oh, like Gary, gary, gary. Yeah, I said, who do you got up in?
Speaker 3:Detroit. Oh, gary, gary, gary. Yeah, he's like. Yeah, he said give him a holler. I'm like, oh, cool, cool. So I give him a holler and he's like, all right, he goes, we'll get on in a couple days. So I sent him everything. Let Chad know, cool. And yesterday morning about 5 o'clock well, excuse me, the night before, I mean like right before going to bed hey man, we got a mid-customer on the way down. I'm like, oh cool, sweet, send me a picture. So I send Randy a picture. They hit him. Hey, they're on the way. And here's the problem.
Speaker 4:I love that story.
Speaker 3:They get down here 5 o'clock in the morning. I told them. I said, hey look, just drop me off at see, when you come to North Carolina it should be Surry County Jail. I'm going to say this on Mount Airy. It's actually what's the name of Talking about Andy Griffin Mayberry.
Speaker 2:My dad lives up there, so literally Mayberry.
Speaker 3:So they get there and they refuse to take him.
Speaker 4:I had a feeling you were going to say that.
Speaker 3:I was like the sheriff was like, yeah, we'll take him.
Speaker 4:They didn't know enough to know.
Speaker 2:By statute any sheriff of any state has to accept him.
Speaker 3:Well, the sheriff was like yeah, I'll take him, but it was up to the magistrate. The magistrate was like no, he's not born here, so we're not taking him.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, that's a judge problem right there, exactly. That's a judge problem, exactly, you know to be honest with you, I'm the kind of person since it is Mayberry, I would use that particular judge as an example and I would file a judicial complaint on him.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 4:Because it's not like y'all are going to go up there and write nine million bonds or you're going to have a bunch of bodies up there to hunt.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 4:So I would use him as an example. I filed a complaint with the judicial board.
Speaker 3:Hold that over there. I mean somebody's yelling. I'll do it, Let me know.
Speaker 4:You know what I know you will.
Speaker 3:I'll write that sucker right on up, I'll put it on my own letterhead. That ain't going to be, a problem.
Speaker 2:Michelle has no pains about doing it.
Speaker 4:No, no problem, I'll do it twice on Sunday.
Speaker 3:You need somebody to stir the pot. This is your woman right here. That's why we love her, because you know we kind of egg her on hey keep going, don't take much. Michelle, thank you for coming on.
Speaker 2:I'm so glad y'all.
Speaker 4:I'm so proud of y'all.
Speaker 2:I really am these are the guys right here?
Speaker 4:off the hook bail bonds. If you got anything in the state of North Carolina. You need someone out of jail. You need somebody in jail. These are you guys right here off the hook?
Speaker 3:bail bonds. Chad and Robert, Don't get them, that's for sure. Michelle, we love you. Thank you so much for coming. I'm so glad this is the first episode for this conference. This is the way it should be.
Speaker 4:And thank NCBAA for this fabulous conference. Everybody get involved in your Bail Association.
Speaker 3:They have done very well. Thank you guys for listening, but until then, this is Off the Hook podcast. Coming to you, live from greensboro, north carolina. He's rob. I'm rob, I'm chad. This is the beautiful michelle eskenazi.
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