Off The Hook
We are a group of private investigators, bounty hunters / fugitive recovery agents, and bail bondsmen that have been in this line of work for over twenty five years and have many stories to tell. We have traveled all over the country catching fugitives and bringing them back to have their day in court. With our years of experience we are trying to educate the public about bail and why it is a needed part of our judicial system.
Off The Hook
Bail Bond Regulation: A Conversation with John Cable
The mysterious world of bail bond regulation comes to light in this revealing conversation with North Carolina Deputy Insurance Commissioner John Cable. Drawing from his 42 years in law enforcement, Cable offers unprecedented access to the inner workings of how the bail industry is overseen and what bondsmen need to know to stay compliant.
"Educate, regulate, and enforce – in that order." This simple philosophy guides Cable's approach to working with the nearly 1,900 licensed bail agents across North Carolina. Rather than creating an adversarial relationship, Cable emphasizes how the Department of Insurance aims to help bondsmen correct small issues before they become regulatory problems. "We don't want to enforce stuff. We want to help you before it becomes an issue," he explains, dispelling the myth that regulators are looking to punish bondsmen.
The conversation reveals fascinating insights about the industry's makeup – approximately 95% of bail agents operate ethically while a small 5% create the majority of problems. Cable addresses common paperwork mistakes, proper handling of collateral, and the challenges of ongoing bail reform efforts. He also unveils plans for a revolutionary North Carolina Bond Tracking System that will transform how bonds are processed, tracked, and monitored.
For bail agents, attorneys, law enforcement, and anyone interested in criminal justice, this episode offers rare access to the regulatory perspective. Whether you're a veteran bondsman or simply curious about how this critical part of the justice system operates, Cable's straightforward explanations and practical advice provide valuable insights you won't find elsewhere. Listen now to understand the crucial relationship between regulators and the bail industry that keeps our communities safe.
When people are released from jail, they have the responsibility to appear in court, but some of these people choose to go on the run.
Speaker 2:They go back home to mommy.
Speaker 1:And that is when these guys come into the picture. So sit back and listen to the Off the Hook podcast with Chad and Rob Very fine people on both sides. These are real stories, but the names have been changed.
Speaker 2:What's going on, guys? Rob here, chad over here. What's up? And we have someone very special with us today that we don't typically get to talk to ever, but he is the Deputy Commissioner for the North Carolina Department of Insurance who regulates. Bill Bondsman Regulates their job, yes, so welcome to our podcast, mr Cable.
Speaker 3:Well, thank you for having me. I'm very, very privileged to be here.
Speaker 2:I'm shocked that we got you over here to talk to him.
Speaker 4:I'm over here like a kid. The purpose of our podcast is to entertain and educate.
Speaker 3:I thought it was to pay me minimum wage.
Speaker 4:Well, we'll work on that after the podcast. Okay, yeah, yeah, we can negotiate.
Speaker 3:I thought there was money involved here. Okay, I'm out, can negotiate. I thought there was money involved okay I'm out.
Speaker 2:Uh well, uh, so, uh, mr cable, how long have you been? First of all, hang on yeah, we cannot do it.
Speaker 4:Let's explain his.
Speaker 2:Oh, oh, we're doing that we gotta introduce him everybody here. Here you go, mr cable, mr Cable, we can only do like 10 seconds, but it's a good tune.
Speaker 3:It's a great tune. It's a good intro. Do you know it?
Speaker 4:I can't hear it. You need to listen to it. I will after this. You guys got the headphones on Yep.
Speaker 2:Oh okay, no, no, no, no, you're good, you're good, Go ahead, so all right, mr Cable, so how long have you been with the Department of Insurance?
Speaker 3:You know I have a hard time with that because my dad was Mr Cable.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, my granddad was Mr Cable. I grew up in Wilson. No, I'm John Wilson. Of course. Will you want to talk to John? I'm not getting used to that.
Speaker 3:Hey, you better get over here.
Speaker 1:Or like my wife says butthole, but cut that out. Got to love her Been together so long.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, just came out of the room talking giving some oversight, got a little bit of flack. I thought my ex-wife was in there, so thank you very much for my ex-wife attending and yelling obscenities at me.
Speaker 2:Don't worry, I got a couple of them.
Speaker 3:No, I've been with the department since January 1st 2017. Commissioner Causey won the election in 16, and the Bail Agents Association met with him about late January, middle February, and voiced concerns that they felt like the NCBAA board felt like for the last eight years previous to Commissioner Causey, they weren't being regulated and it was going off the chain. And I have said this on numerous occasions. I felt like possibly the past administration was more of the anti-bail and they wanted to see you guys implode. But with any kind of organization I don't care if it's the Nurses Association or law enforcement you know the Fraternal Order of Police.
Speaker 3:Without the structure or somebody looking over your shoulder as a regator, you have a tendency maybe not to do it right, and that's all we try to do is. First of all, our mission statement is ours is to educate, regulate and enforce. Educate, regulate and enforce, and in that order. If we can educate a bail bondsman hey, you didn't know that you couldn't do this or your paperwork then we've achieved something. Educate the public. What do you mean? He got out four days and they dismissed his charges. Well, you hired a bondsman. That's part of the deal. Those four days he was free, they assumed the responsibility. You know, no takey-backs.
Speaker 4:Some of these cases go on for two, three years.
Speaker 3:Oh, at least, and especially with COVID, we're seeing an enormous amount of time. So that is to educate the public, educate the industry, then to regulate. Okay, it might take a piece of paper, it might take a voluntary settlement agreement. It might take a piece of paper, might take, you know, voluntary settlement agreement might take a reprimand, very minimal Enforce. It's serious.
Speaker 2:Well, I have, I have you have more patience than I do, because I hear a lot of these bondsmen that say hey, well, I didn't know I could do that. I'm like hold on, did you not take the class?
Speaker 3:Right. Well, that's an easy defense, but what we run into is a legitimate like the MOA. When you look at that, it can be confusing because it's what you know is on the AOC form and we literally are training clerks. Now, the best way that I look at this is when you explain it to somebody. So we're teaching the Forsyth County Sheriff's Office and the clerks of court and I said look at the MOA and the release about. You know, when you go on the back of the form, excuse me, you go back on the form and it says amount paid, amount owed, amount due.
Speaker 4:Right An affidavit Affidavit. Thank you.
Speaker 3:So I said look, let's go to the corner, let's go to the old time buy here, pay here, car lot.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:And they all go okay. Well, we all know those are in town. I said if you bought a car for $5,000 and you put down $1,000, you don't owe $5,000. And that's how that was being written. On a lot of those you owe $4,000. I said so this amount minus what they've given the bondsman will equal this amount. And it was like a light come on. But you had to relate it to because when you go well, this is the principal and the surety is, and they're taking this when you just say, look, it is nothing different than buy here, pay here, and then they're going to make their payment every month to that guy or every week, and it's structured on there. But I think that was one of the biggest things that we ran into is that don't jack your paperwork up. And for anybody that listens to your podcast, call us, we'll help you. We don't want to. That's good to know. We don't want to enforce stuff. We want to help you before it becomes an issue.
Speaker 2:We just had an audit by you guys and passed with flying colors. They're like man, you guys have got it.
Speaker 3:Let me call Jennifer back. No, we have one little thing.
Speaker 4:We have one little thing that we add. It was something about on our receipts that we needed to add.
Speaker 3:Oh, where you got to put the numbered receipt and your address and all that other stuff, yeah, we had numbers.
Speaker 2:It was the amount of the bond that needs to go in a certain spot on a digital receipt for credit cards yeah, or credit cards.
Speaker 3:So if you listen to some people in the industry and you've got to remember there's 1,900 licenses and there's about 1,750 people that are licensed in the state and some people might write three bonds a year and some people write them every day and some people don't want to write a bond, they want to go do recovery. It teaches on, but if you don't know the paperwork especially when you're doing surrender and you're doing this or that, and so we decided to go out and said let's do these examinations Don't want to call them audits, examinations and we want to assist and we're finding this little bitty things. But you know what it's done, you're going to correct it and there's nothing there. But I've heard from people oh God, doi is coming and I don't know why some people want to create this mystique that DOI is terrible, don't talk to them and everything. And all we're trying to do is hey, call us before you do something, we'll help you. I don't get any of that money. So that's what I was explaining in there to everybody. I don't get it.
Speaker 4:I will tell you, like, when we have a problem in our area with a certain bondsman that we know is doing something illegal in our world, we want to let you guys know, but at the same time we don't want to bring heat on our area. That's the way we have felt I can see that.
Speaker 3:I can see where it's like hey, just let them, find them. I don't want to deal with it.
Speaker 2:So what we did? I'm the vice president of our local board down in Wilmington, so we had a complaint of a certain bondsman hanging out around the jail.
Speaker 4:A lot of soliciting, I'm sure you get that all the time.
Speaker 2:And so we warned her verbally. And then at the meeting she was there, we were told that we didn't have proof, but we were told that she was soliciting, which I kind of believe it because you know the people we were dealing with. So after the meeting was over, I said, hey, stay by me and the board won't talk to you. And we said, hey, look, this is your last one. If you ever do this, if you do this again, or if we find out you're doing it, we will be contacting the Department of Insurance. We're trying to do everything we can before bothering y'all, because y'all have way better stuff.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you've got 100 counties.
Speaker 3:We know you're, we've got 100 counties, we um, like I said, we average, you know, 300 and some complaints a year, um, and we have a staff of a dozen and then I've got four special investigators what special agents assigned out of criminal investigations to bail bonding. Um, it's like anything. I mean, I could put 10 more on and get to it, but I thought, face-to-face the department meeting with bondsmen, one-on-one in their office, showing them paperwork, seeing what it is, correcting it, building the rapport you guys don't you know me, but you really don't know me Sitting down right now. We're getting to know each other, getting to know the philosophies and stuff, and that's all we're about. Ninety-five percent of the bail industry is good, is good, is clean. You have bad, you have five percent, just like everywhere else. Five percent is not clean or semi.
Speaker 3:And let me give you for instance, I've been a law enforcement officer for 42 years. So 93% I did a paper on this when I was going through my grad stuff and at 93% of the general population and it's going to work for everything. It's going to work for this don't know, law enforcement don't have any interaction at all. 93% Five percent has interaction with law enforcement. Speeding ticket, traffic accident, house got broke into, missing person. You know some kind of interaction.
Speaker 3:Okay, the three percent to four percent dependent is what the jails and prisons are built for. I don't care, break it down for anything, break it down for bail bondsmen, it will be exactly the same thing. You're talking about 3% to 4%, maximum 5%. That causes all the headaches that create the stuff like look, I know you might have got burnt. We don't do business like that, we do it like this. Well, he didn't give me a receipt. He put the cash in his pocket. I tried to get my collateral back. You know what I'm saying. Anything human when you have certain people that deal with a cash aspect it's a morality issue.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to say the name because I don't remember her name, but it was up in Raleigh that was the first time we met you.
Speaker 4:This was oh no, are you talking about the little?
Speaker 2:Washington. We'll get to that in a second. But this girl, she recently got in trouble and she got put in jail. She was a bondsman and it was something about overcharging Hispanpanics, uh, and taking their money into the collateral, not giving it back at all we get we and I don't know who you're talking about, so but we do get those on occasion because, unfortunately, the laws are set up correctly.
Speaker 3:it's like okay, here is collateral. Collateral has to be taken care of a certain way when you get a truck and it says that truck's got to be parked and got to stay in the same condition and you're out riding around in it. That's not the same condition and it gets damaged and then go well, here's your truck back, or I don't want you to know it's damaged. It's that temptation.
Speaker 2:Well, we don't do that, we do not take.
Speaker 3:Well then, that's three of us, because I don't do it either.
Speaker 4:It's more headache than it's worth? Well, it is, but you see how easy it is.
Speaker 3:Or somebody says, look, you're going to have to put up collateral $5,000 on this, says, look, you're going to have to put up collateral $5,000 on this, and people will and they'll say, okay, here, and they do it, and then it's like, well, I'll get back to you and everything that collateral needs to be sacred and it needs to be put away.
Speaker 4:It is not part of the bond and a non-interest bearing account.
Speaker 3:Bearing account. Yes, that's right. Yeah, I think everything that we talk about boils down to morality.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So, getting back to what Chad was about to bring up, we met you it's been years ago, Michelle when we went to Williamson.
Speaker 4:No, it was Little Washington, and that was where a lady who is a professor at UNC, Chapel Hill Right and that's where I was referring to.
Speaker 3:Jim Camp called me and said look, this woman's speaking there and she was following behind. Then Attorney General Josh Stein and they were actively going and trying to do away with cash bail to the effect that, look, this is a poor victim. They go and she's trying to work, and they always give you that scenario she's trying to go to work and she pulls in the gas station, she gets $10 for the gas.
Speaker 2:That's the same one. That's the same one.
Speaker 3:Don't realize that she didn't have any money. Yes, she's got to go to work, she's got to feed her kids, and she just drives off. At this point you have a couple of. It's a crime.
Speaker 4:She called it a victimless crime.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, what about the poor? Store owner that's making a half a penny per gallon and are hoping you come in and buy snacks so they can keep the doors open and say it happens ten times a day.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm sorry, this isn't a socialist state that Offense 10 times a day. Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, this isn't a socialist state. That's offensive because there are certain crimes and we both, all three of us know this. There are certain crimes that rise to a level of absolutely just reproach, where you talk about, you know, sexual assault of a minor child, beating a mom. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Those things are just—but it's still a crime to drive off with gas, right, okay, it's not yours, it's up to the court, it's up to the man in the black robe that makes twice what I make to make a decision like yes, I believe you're a fine lady, pay it back. You can't pay it back. You can't pay the $10 back, pay it back over three weeks. That's their decision. It's still a crime and I just. I think that's the. I hate to use the.
Speaker 2:That's the liberal way of thinking, but Let me ask you a question how do you feel, I know, with governor stein now is is the governor here? Is he going to still be pushing this barrel form, or do you think they backed off because they see it don't work?
Speaker 3:no, I think what happened if you go back in history, when he was in the general assembly.
Speaker 4:They tried to push it there and it met obstacles right, couldn't get it done on the state level, so they they went district to district, district to district to pick on prosecutors and try to get them on your side and say, hey, we have this funded program and if you want, help and you want money from here, then you need this and no, and that's why in the meeting today I spoke about in-state out-of-state.
Speaker 3:There are probably very, very nice bondsmen in Virginia, South Carolina, georgia. I just don't know them. I'm worried about the North Carolina bail bondsmen and how they feed their family and how they take care of their customer. I don't need people from Georgia running over here or trying to get an out-of-state license and then when they do something that's silly or stupid and I've got to regulate them. Well, I'm in Atlanta, come get me. No, I want out-of-state and this is one of the things that we wrote in our bill out-of-state bondsmen have to contract with a North Carolina bond.
Speaker 2:That's like.
Speaker 4:Virginia, I like that.
Speaker 2:I like that. And when we heard that I was like thank God.
Speaker 3:But we don't do anything at the department.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:We're not doing anything, I'm not going to say a damn word.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying nothing, so all right. So there's another thing Regina brought up to me and Chad about this not too long ago your separation of fugitive recovery and bail bonding license. I like the idea, but who's going to regulate it? I don't.
Speaker 3:I don't like the difference, because bounty hunting is illegal in the state of North Carolina.
Speaker 3:But if you're saying I'm recovery only, you're creating a bounty hunter. You're creating that atmosphere instead of saying you need to know how to do your paperwork, you need to know how to do a surrender correctly and it needs to be grouped together. That's why Phil Bradshaw and I had a discussion years ago and he said you need to regulate us and give us the authority to carry guns. I said I said well, I said heck, I can't even get you guys to fill out your paperwork correctly.
Speaker 3:I'm not doing that so no you're a private citizen so, um, you know, I'm saying until you can, and again, it's not you guys, it's that three to five percent.
Speaker 2:That that's where all my energy goes so the reason, reason why I like it, the reason why I do like it, is because you can put more in order to get it. You have, I say, more training, more like because Virginia has a separate one and you have to go through 40 hours just of the training.
Speaker 3:Well see, there's where North Carolina needs to go from 12 hours 12 hours isn't enough to anywhere between 25 and 40, 25 and 32. 42 years of law enforcement. When I started, I came out of the academy. I was young. I knew just enough to get myself in trouble. I was young, I knew just enough to get myself in trouble. I needed a good training officer that bestowed upon me the ethics and the morality that were lived by and that this is what you do.
Speaker 3:If you get that one that wants to break the rules or circumvent, and if you get that in bail bond, it's the same thing. In our bill we wrote a supervisor's statute where if you want to be a supervisor, you've got to come to us and you have got to do a class and you've got to get all your information put together, and then there's a FTO form. So when the bondsman says says I was never taken to the and you guys know this as well as I do there are people that are put on under a supervisor and they're like go write this bond. Well, I don't know how to do it all right, well, I'll sign this, go there and they're not shown right, you know that's not right?
Speaker 3:yeah, is that, is that right to do that to?
Speaker 1:somebody no.
Speaker 3:So I want to have a good, strong training period. I interviewed a guy, had a regulatory action on him a few years ago After he got done with the investigators. He was just in the hallway and I said he said I'm getting out of this. I said you're going to get out of this. He said yeah, I can't make any money. I said why not? I said you're going to get out of this.
Speaker 3:He said, yeah, I can't make any money. I said, why not? He said half of my bond, 50% has to go to my supervisor. How long have you been doing this? Five years, dude. You're paying 50%. He said, yeah, I pay half of what I get. Well, there's no law that says he can't. But man, come on, you're not helping that young kid.
Speaker 2:No, I'm with you there. Now my last question for you.
Speaker 3:I've been thrown off of worse shows. Don't worry about it.
Speaker 2:I'm sure Taz got one for you. So the purpose of this whole podcast was to educate people, because people don't know about bail bonding. They hear bail reform oh free, free, free but they don't understand it.
Speaker 3:There's nothing free in this world.
Speaker 2:No no, and we tell you know, we tell our audience a lot of them know, we've said it over and over that the money that's paid by bail bonding goes to the state of North Carolina public education system.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and that's what I'm saying. We get a small little sliver to a minister to do the VSAs and all that stuff. Like I said, out of $7,500, I think I got less than $500. That doesn't pay anything. I'm not looking to say, oh well, what can I make? We're looking at putting programs in that enhance the bail system. Odyssey has become paperless, right, all right. Well, the department has to look at those options. We've already explored those options. How do we go from a gold stamp for professional and a bond power to paperless and how do we work with Odyssey? And we've already been working on these for several months. So the other thing is we've had people talk to us and go why doesn't the department go back to testing and why are we going through third party? Well, we've explored that and we have answers. I'd rather not say right now, but we look to make the bail experience for the bail agent better. All right, what a lot of people don't know and I'll be glad to share.
Speaker 3:Last May, not this May last May of 24, we met with all surety companies in Raleigh. They came to our office we had all 25, and a lot of companies have been bought in. But presidents and CEOs and representatives from all every surety company that writes in the state came to Raleigh for a five-hour meeting and we talked about everything that we're doing. We broke it down for the companies and we said this is what DOI is doing. And they said that's wonderful, we didn't know that. So they had a better understanding. And when we talked about a bail tracking system and paperless and they're all going and they were kind of like this Well, who's going to pay for it? Because they were waiting for us to go. Well, we're going to charge you. We said we put up front money to get this going. Yeah, okay, well, everything should be tracked Right now. Professionals send their bond registry in every month and we've got to go through it. It automatically should be in and calculated. But that's on us, that's for us to do.
Speaker 2:I do like kind of the comparison to Odyssey, the new e-court system.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we're getting used to it. We kind of like it.
Speaker 3:You don't have to go to clerks often. It was terrible. It was terrible when it first came out. Then you got oh okay, I can navigate this. I kind of like it.
Speaker 2:Right To me now. I don't know if you would agree with me on this, but I told Chad the other day. I told Chad the other day.
Speaker 3:You know the school board attorneys like to come after us for like stupid stuff, but now, since this e-tour.
Speaker 2:Well, there's one in particular that will nick you for anything Remain nameless. You know exactly who we're talking about. We don't have to say who. We'll put a plug in now for Theriot and Smith. How do?
Speaker 3:you know what I'm saying but they're doing what they're hired to do.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but come on, I'm doing what I'm supposed to do. I'm doing what I'm supposed to do. They're preying on the fears of bondsmen that don't want to go to court.
Speaker 2:But with the new, e-court stuff now, since everything's in that case they can't say we don't accept that paperwork, well, it's in the e-court.
Speaker 3:That's right, that's what we're talking about with us. We want our memorandum of agreement being in there and everything, so it's already filled out. Now our plan is our stuff. You're sitting at your office, you're banging it out. You go over to the jail, to the magistrate's office. They're going to bring your guy out, everything that you put in there. The magistrate goes, yep, here it is. So you've done 90% of his stuff, the information in there. He's not pissed because, okay, let me change screens, let me do this, let me verify. No, it's accepted. So these are the things that we're looking and we're within a year of making your life better. It doesn't change my life, it's better for you guys and we're within a year of making your life better.
Speaker 4:Okay, well, I like that.
Speaker 3:It doesn't change my life, it's better for you guys. So that's what we're doing and we call it a North Carolina Bond Tracking System and there will be a fancy acronym for it. But anyways, I floated it to the sheriff. You know what everybody's writing in your county. So the neat thing with you guys if you're writing for a particular surety and you have writing authority for another surety, that other surety can't see what you wrote for them. They can only see what you wrote for this one and the other one can't see what you wrote over there, but they can see what you wrote for them. So you have five sub-agents. You can see everything that those sub-people have written.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:So wait a minute. You told me you lost this power when it was on top of your car and blew off. Right, right, that's going on today. You know that. That'll eliminate that.
Speaker 2:Well, it's just me and him. We're pretty tight, I mean we have a couple others.
Speaker 4:But you know of that happening Right right, yeah, I know what you're saying, you know dog ate my homework.
Speaker 3:Then the bond turns up a little while ago, right, and so that's the whole thing. And if I can't make it streamlined for you, easier than Odyssey, better than CJ Leeds, then I'm not doing something. If it's cumbersome, if it's an old DOS program, if you've got to crank up the car to get it to go, it doesn't work Like old V-Camp.
Speaker 4:Yeah, let me see that DOS screen Asus.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so this is all Windows, it's all in the cloud, it's all friendly and it tracks and it's in real time. So, as a bond is moving into forfeiture, it's ticking off, you see it.
Speaker 4:Wow, I like that. So it's rolling ACES and VCAP all together in a nicer format it's rolling ACES, vcap, odyssey, e-courts, cj Leeds all into one tracking system.
Speaker 2:Wow, I like that.
Speaker 4:I missed the CJ Leeds part.
Speaker 2:So I'm not going to say Mr Cable, I'm going to say John. I hate doing that because my grandparents just respect me, mr Cable. Mr Cable. Okay so, Mr Cable, if you ever need somebody to help educate on the bail bonding side of things, you have our information. Give us a call. We'd be more than glad to help you out.
Speaker 3:And I think what you guys are doing down on the eastern part of the state, when you have a mini-association Guilford County had it for I don't know if they still do, but the bondsmen would get together collectively. Um, you'd set up a meeting with the sheriff. If the sheriff understands what you're doing, it's a big plus.
Speaker 4:Yes, yeah, it's right.
Speaker 3:Much smoother process, yes and I absolutely support that. 150. That's the best way to go. It's the ones'm telling you. We've got places in the state that bondsmen have been banned from the jail and I've got news for you that sheriff, that's his house.
Speaker 4:That's his rules. That's his rules and you don't follow his rules.
Speaker 3:And the last one that called me and said can I ban them? I said you can't ban them for personality, I don't like them. Well, he did this and this and this and he was told and warned on this occasion, this occasion, this occasion, sir, that's your house, that's your call, okay.
Speaker 3:So, you know, continuity, consistency, fluidness. Working with the sheriff and the detention staff doesn't mean that you're manipulating. I can't tell you how many people go DOI, they don't do anything. Doi, this so-and-so gets whatever they want. I don't even know who so-and-so is. So we just everybody's treated the same. And if you can get the sheriffs to understand the process, well, we don't want you in the sally port. We've got this going on. Well, sheriff, it's really dangerous. If we don't, could you at least try it and the sheriff might go. Okay, I'll try it, but how you guys act is going to be. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:There's a lot of give and take and I think I'm telling you right now, being a cop for 42 years. When I came in with the commissioner and we went to meet with the association, they came to our office. The commissioner called me in his office. He said what do you know about bail bonding? I said well, commissioner, I'll be 100% honest with you. Whenever I was doing my paperwork and I had somebody under arrest and I was trying to get out of there, bonds would show up to try to get them out before I got my paperwork done.
Speaker 3:He said good, you're my guy, fix it. And I've been screwed. I mean I've been here ever since You've got a great commissioner. Commissioner calls it. He believes in the cause.
Speaker 2:No, we voted for him.
Speaker 3:Well, thank you Absolutely. He really cares and he wants you guys to—he wants the industry to be clean and pure. If it's clean and pure, it will prosper, right. If it's dirty and filthy and shady, it will not. It's like the good book says bring everything into the light and it will be just.
Speaker 2:I've talked to a good friend of mine, jeremy Renfro. I said, hey, jeremy, I grew up with him. I asked him. I was on the phone with him not too long ago. I said hey, man, how's everything going with D? Because we don't know, because we don't deal with y'all, thank god, because we don't want we don't want, but you can pick up the phone yeah, that's that's good to know how's it going
Speaker 2:he said he told me he goes. Mr causey has done a great job. Um very proud, glad I'm working with him. I'm like, all right cool. All right cool. We stay in our little hole down there. We don't hear from y'all.
Speaker 3:You're doing the right thing. Like I said, you're getting out, you're talking to other bondsmen, you're trying to create a positive atmosphere that helps you to see the ones that are. Yeah, no, we're blessed. Look, this is my second career. I retired at 16, went with the commissioner at 17, retired from the Guilford County Sheriff's Office. Then I'm 65. I'm almost 66 years old.
Speaker 3:I don't think I have to be doing this, but there's always that thing that we've got to get done that system to make it better for you guys to be able to track stuff that's got to be done. Well, who else is going to do it? Okay, it's a thing that I started four years ago, and not just with the state. The state's very slow in doing things. I would have had it probably a year or better ago and pushed, but the good Lord blessed us because Odyssey came out and there was a bunch of difficulty, a bunch of problems, right, and some lawsuits, and we didn't need to be oh, this would have worked if you, unless you guys got on it. Nope, let them work their problems out and then let's get our stuff in there.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah Well, mr Cable, thank you very much.
Speaker 3:Thank you guys and God bless you. Thanks for coming on. Man you educated me today, yeah, we learned a lot, we learned a lot. Well, I hope it's. What is it, billy Madison? You're all or dumber because of what I just said today.
Speaker 2:Well, if you're ever down in Wilmington, which?
Speaker 3:I do get to.
Speaker 2:We're on Water Street downtown. You come by and see us. We'll go out to lunch and we'll go out.
Speaker 3:I'd love to see your operation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely I'd love for you to come and see it.
Speaker 3:Okay, we'll make it a date, not that kind of date That'll work. All right, thank you, mr Cable.
Speaker 2:Guys, thank you again for tuning in. Like I said, listen to us on Spotify. If you're on Spotify listening, you can see Mr Cable on YouTube Off the Hook Bell Bond Podcast. But until then I'm.
Speaker 4:Rob, I'm Chad.
Speaker 2:And this is.
Speaker 4:Mr Cable, mr mr cable.
Speaker 2:Mr cable, we'll see you next time later, guys.
Speaker 1:Peace you've been listening to off the hook with chad and rob. We hope you've enjoyed the show. Make sure to like, rate and review, and be sure to follow us for notifications for another exciting episode. But in the meantime, you can go to our website at wwwoffthehookbillcom to see more. So until next time, stay out of trouble, or it'll be you that needs to get off the hook. See you soon. I'm out.
