Off The Hook
We are a group of private investigators, bounty hunters / fugitive recovery agents, and bail bondsmen that have been in this line of work for over twenty five years and have many stories to tell. We have traveled all over the country catching fugitives and bringing them back to have their day in court. With our years of experience we are trying to educate the public about bail and why it is a needed part of our judicial system.
Off The Hook
How Do You Handle a 90-Year Old Gun Carrying Bond Jumper?
Two bail bondsmen venture into rural North Carolina to track down an unexpected fugitive – an 89-year-old man who's skipped court after being charged with forgery. What begins as a routine recovery quickly transforms into a tense standoff when they discover ominous warning signs and ammunition on the property.
The latest episode of Off the Hook opens with Chad's return from a rejuvenating Belize vacation, complete with freshly caught seafood and island stories. But relaxation gives way to reality as the bondsmen recount their pursuit of "Uncle Jesse," revealing the surprising complexity of apprehending an elderly bail jumper.
Listeners gain rare insight into the calculated risks bail recovery agents take when approaching potentially armed fugitives. Despite their legal authority to enter the property, the bondsmen demonstrate professional restraint, ultimately coordinating with local law enforcement to ensure a peaceful resolution.
Beyond this central narrative, the episode explores critical bail industry challenges, including the financial risks of writing bonds for repeat court-skippers and the delicate balance between enforcement and compassion. The hosts' animated discussion extends to broader societal concerns about accountability, from courtroom no-shows to recent trends in retail theft and public disturbances.
With candid perspectives and firsthand experience, Chad and Rob pull back the curtain on a profession often misunderstood by the public. Their approach combines street-smart tactics with genuine consideration for human welfare – even when the fugitive in question is a pig-farming nonagenarian with a box of .45 caliber bullets and a threatening sign warning about his "fast lead."
Join us for this fascinating glimpse into bail enforcement, and don't miss our upcoming live podcast at the North Carolina Bail Agents Association conference on August 1st!
When people are released from jail, they have the responsibility to appear in court, but some of these people choose to go on the run.
Speaker 2:They go back home to mommy.
Speaker 1:And that is when these guys come into the picture. So sit back and listen to the Off the Hook podcast with Chad and Rob Very fine people on both sides. These are real stories, but the names have been changed.
Speaker 3:Yo, this is Rob and this is Chad. What's up?
Speaker 2:We are back. Well, I've been here, but Chad's been gone. How was your trip, brother? Check the tan.
Speaker 3:I was on a little island off the coast of Belize for about a week and had a great time. It was great to reset because I had all my calls forwarded to you oh.
Speaker 2:God, I know, believe me, I know.
Speaker 3:Believe me, I know. Calls forwarded to you. Oh god, I know, believe me, I know, believe me, I know, and um, you couldn't. You couldn't send text messages, or you know I could send them through messenger. Yeah, I think, yeah and nope, I can send pictures, but just a couple of texts anyway.
Speaker 2:Um, yeah, man, it was gorgeous, um great, great time oh, you know what the best thing about it was, though? Guys, you've got to listen to me. So when he forged the phones to me, I don't have any hair because I'm bald, but if I had any I'd pull it out because I can't stand the phones.
Speaker 1:And it was like Sunday or Monday.
Speaker 2:It was like I think it was a Sunday. I got a call on a good bond. We consider it a good bond, Right, and we did good on it. And I said you know what? This is going to make Chad smile on vacation. So I try not to bother him when he's on vacation. But I texted him he was like hell, yeah, that's what.
Speaker 3:I'm talking about. I think that I was two mojitos deep when you texted me and I said, talking about, I think that I was, uh, two mojitos deep when you text me and, uh, I said yes, this, this, uh, this, this is nice man, you know what?
Speaker 2:that's the third time I think you've been down there, haven't?
Speaker 3:yeah, it's our third trip, yeah, yeah, so it's a little place. We go to a little island that, um, we've become to, uh, kind of they almost feel like family, right, yeah, so that's when we keep going. They're actually renovating the place and we just wanted to go one last time before they renovated and we'll see what it's going to be. You know, they're stepping it up with like one of those well the pictures you sent me or whatever and stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, pictures you sent me of the food.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the food was. There's a lady there, miss Jude, she is the cook, quite the cook, right, yeah, so we go fishing and bring our fish back and throw them on the docks. We got these guys that take us to these spots. Then Miss Jude comes out and she looks through all your fish. She's like what do you want to do with these? Take us to these spots. And then Ms Jude comes out and she looks through all your fish, you know, and she's like what do you want to do with these? And we had a couple of lobster and, uh, we're like ceviche and um, you know, blackened fish and um, she did some with the whole, the whole fish where you know heads on it and everything, and the others are filleted and blackened and stuff like that. And then the uh, of course, the lobster.
Speaker 2:It was delicious it looks so good. Man, I want like I haven't. I haven't been there. I would love to go one day.
Speaker 3:You guys, gotta, you gotta go there. Um, check it out, it's not a bad flight for us. You know it's to charlotte. To charlotte it's about 30, 45 minutes, and then from from Charlotte it's three hours to Belize city. And then we fly out from Belize city on a little plane, little eight seater, and we fly to Dan Gria. And Dan Gria we take a van to a dock and we get on a little boat, go to an island about five miles off the coast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Well, man, I've, I've, I've never been in like anywhere below Mexico. I've always wanted to. We've been talking about, well, my son when he graduates high school, what he wanted to do. We gave him an option where he wanted to go. He wanted to go to Costa Rica and I think that's where we're all going to go out there and experience it. I've heard it was like some of the safest and happiest places in the world to go to.
Speaker 3:Yeah, belize City. Well, for us, I mean, belize City is third world-ish Right. You know, of course you got crime anywhere, but you don't feel uncomfortable when you know the country.
Speaker 2:Oh, how was your hotel room when you got there?
Speaker 3:And it was recommended by our place that we were staying on the island because we went at night early, day early for our little flight and, uh, the room best western you know when you think nice hotels, you don't think best western, but that was what they had there. And uh, we get there and open the door and uh, it was hot and I'm like, okay, there's a big wall unit, air conditioning unit. So I got my fingers crossed, it works get this.
Speaker 2:I say let me show you guys at home, how big these fingers are, my paws yeah so there's a door close to the bathroom and I'm like, why is that closed?
Speaker 3:you know, like there was a reason. I go in there and like and like old houses where you used to have like louver, like lever, little crank on it yeah, with a little crank, but they're glass, you know, and it was kind of like that, and on the outside were bars, you know. So I mean, it doesn't give you a good safety feeling. You know when you're there, but uh, heat was just coming in. So that room, a good safety feeling, you know when you're there, but heat was just coming in, so that room was like hot as hell. That's why the door was closed from the room to the bathroom. That was their way of keeping your warm room from hell. So I called maintenance and they came. Well, there was a remote control for this wall unit. It had like I'm like a monkey over there pushing buttons and like nothing's working, you know that kind of thing. And maintenance came and he's like he clicked it twice. I'm like you know you could put a little note right here how to operate this thing dude.
Speaker 3:You know that would be helpful. You know who knew put a little note right here how to operate this thing, dude, you know that would be helpful. You know who knew to do it twice, you know. So, anyway, got AC but that room was still, you know, shut. Oh, but anyway, from that, from there we went back to the next next day we went to place and it was fun, it was fun.
Speaker 2:It was great Right on man so glad to be.
Speaker 3:Well, I'm not super glad to be back, but I'm back, yeah. Well, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I'm glad you're back.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you got, it's got to end right.
Speaker 2:Man, these like them, damn phone calls. Let me tell you about a phone call. You ready for this one? I me tell you about this phone call. Okay, hey, this guy calls me from jail. I don't know Where's jail, I can't remember New Hanover, brunswick or four counties yeah. Yeah. So he calls me and goes hey man, I'm a, I'm in jail. $750,000 bond.
Speaker 3:I said okay, I was like. I said okay, I was like all right.
Speaker 2:I said well, and he cuts me off, he goes. Hey, somebody told me you'd do 3%. I started laughing. I was like I don't know who told you that, but they lied to you. I said we don't do that and he goes. Well, somebody said he goes. Do you know who does 3%? I'm like I don't know who does 3%?
Speaker 3:Not everybody's still in business in business.
Speaker 2:No, and he goes because maybe it wasn't, maybe it was another company. I said, well, you might want to give them a call while they're still in business. Right, because we don't do that. Because you know, with that big of a bond, it's not just us saying, yeah, we can do this bond or not.
Speaker 3:There's a lot that goes yeah, so every bond that we write, there's a percentage that we have to pay to an insurance company that loans us the money to give to the person in jail.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they take their cut.
Speaker 3:And we got to pay them, irregardless of what we negotiate the rate at. You know we can charge up to 15% in our state, but we still got to give a certain percentage to that insurance company, no matter what, no matter what. So if you don't have it, it's still coming out of your pocket.
Speaker 2:And anything that big. You've got to have it collateralized. You know there's some bondsmen that will do it Right, but they won't be in business long. No, no.
Speaker 3:And they'll lose everything they got. Yeah, I mean, and you know, you put some of this money aside and you're going to have to chase these people Speaking.
Speaker 2:you put some of this money aside and you're going to have to chase these people. So, speaking of money, I'm going to switch topics here a little bit. Speaking of money, did you see the report that came in, uh, the first month report, uh, of the money that the U? S spends going out versus coming in? It's all. It's always been more going out than coming in.
Speaker 3:Oh, this is how to do with tariffs, yes. Oh, this is how to do with tariffs. Yes, okay, so what's up?
Speaker 2:We we had more money coming in this time of $26 billion.
Speaker 3:Wow, that's a shock.
Speaker 2:That will help get us out of debt right there, right, so I think the man's doing. He's doing something now.
Speaker 3:Never quick enough. Yeah For the liberals there's.
Speaker 2:There's some things I'm getting kind of irritated about, like the whole Epstein list. You showed us they had the list and now they're saying there ain't no list. Come on, quit lying to us. I don't give a damn who you are, I want to see the list.
Speaker 3:There has to be at least flight records of people who flew there.
Speaker 2:Why is Maxine Waters still?
Speaker 3:in prison, then right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seen that um thing. I don't know, man, I don't know what's up with it yeah, I don't know neither man. I'm getting like irritated, but just stick with, you know I think it should come out and you know, I don't think that everybody went there was guilty of doing inappropriate things right, because I think it's kind of like going to a party, right.
Speaker 3:Right, you go with a friend and you don't know like what's going on there, right, some people may have some people, you know, I don't, I don't know. I don't don't know what it was like, but in my idea of what things were like, it's like hey, an island, other famous people have come here.
Speaker 2:I think majority of.
Speaker 3:America wants to see the list.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think majority of America wants to see it, and if they want to see it, let's see it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't care which political side who's who. They just need to, you know.
Speaker 2:I don't care who it takes down, do you Not really? No, I mean, because I think government's just A big part of government ain't nothing but crooked. Anyway, I get it.
Speaker 3:It's a lot of people, a lot of money, but you know sorry.
Speaker 2:Oh well, don't be messing with little children's booty holes.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I still think Diddy got off easy. Yeah, I know right, yeah, but we won't go into all that.
Speaker 2:So yeah, but we won't go into all that. So, anyway, that kind of irritates me a little bit, but it's all right, it's all good, all right. So our next story of this episode.
Speaker 3:So this one got wrapped up yesterday as a matter of fact. Yes, it did, so we figured we'd tell you all a recent one rather than some older ones. So his name will be what is it?
Speaker 2:Uncle Jesse? Uncle Jesse, we're calling him Uncle Jesse. I got some good music Ready. Oh Lord, here we go. Where is it at? I got to make sure the volume's up well, uncle jesse was old when I say no, when we say old.
Speaker 3:He was 89, I think 89 pushing 90? Yeah, he's pushing on it yeah, I mean old, old for the earth. Yes, he was old so all right, but before you get all like you know, oh you how you hunt down on a 90. No, no, no. Listen to the story, you're right listen to this.
Speaker 2:Okay, so let's go back to when I wrote the bond. Okay, chad calls me, goes. Hey, I got a bond for you in Pender County. It's for new Hanover. That means he lived in Pender County. He got picked up in Pender County for charges out of new Hanover County. Yeah exactly All right. So it was a $10,000 bond and we noticed it was a failure to appear. Right and he's failed to appear once.
Speaker 3:We can, which we can do. Uh, two, we can't because there's a statute that basically says if a person has failed to appear two or more times and you write this bond and they miss a third, they don't care. The state just wants the full amount of the bond from us, so you can write it. But if they're alarmed on going off that morning or they have a flat tire on the way to court and not there, you still got to pay it. So that's why a bondsman will not pay a two or more failure to appear situation which I think is wrong because ultimately it's on us. But they were saying that people were abusing the system. Go figure, people abusing the system, and so that's how they put the brakes on that, right. So that's why we won't do them. And then, therefore, people are stuck in jail and I would like to know statistics of people in our jail, statewide, nationwide. I can't say I don't know what the other states, right, right, but at least our state how many people are sitting in jail because we can't do them?
Speaker 2:and, like you know you hear, but they put the blame on us, correct?
Speaker 3:You hear people whining and crying about oh, there's people just sitting in jail and like we would get them out if we could, but we're held by these standards by the state legislature. If you had to pay it for somebody like that, you would know what we're talking about. But it's not your money, so therefore you don't.
Speaker 2:They don't care. Liberals don't give a damn. All they care about is hair dye and super loose.
Speaker 3:That shit's rotting y'all's brain. By the way, Y'all need to stop with the hair dye.
Speaker 2:Man speaking of dude. I was before we keep going into the story. I was somewhere and it was like with me and my son and my girlfriend we were out going to somewhere to eat.
Speaker 3:You went to Trader Joe's. No, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:It was actually in the hamstack where we were eating at, oh okay, the famous place that we always go, jeffy's. Yeah, Jeffy's, yeah, yeah yeah, so this door opens up behind me and I'm like you got to get. There's not much room in there and I look back and I did kind of double take. This girl had more metal in her face than a Subaru has Dude.
Speaker 2:I'm telling you it was so bad, her Subaru Dude she had. I'm not lying to you, look, I don't get on nobody for tattoos or piercings or whatever. But kind of go a little bit extreme there. Like a magnet is not her friend, like it was bad. 'm like god that's got a, like I'm looking, I'm like man, he kind of put a nine volt battery and just make her face jumble.
Speaker 3:That'd be fun anyway, all right, let's get back don't get back to jesse
Speaker 2:so I go up there and I write this bond and the guy, the the deputy that had brought him in, was still there and he was like, hey, man, he's a good guy, man, be easy. I'm like hey, cool, no problem you know he was awesome and we set everything up. We got. You know, we got everything, all the paperwork done. He'd been in the same house forever. He used to own a business a long time ago and I have no idea.
Speaker 3:Whatever?
Speaker 2:People at the door Right. So he's been here for a while, he's been in the community, he's got a house, he's got a house.
Speaker 3:Everything's paid for, so you were dealing with his caretaker.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was dealing with his caretaker, which kind of like take him to appointments and stuff like that, right, and I think these dudes are lost outside.
Speaker 3:Their first day of reading.
Speaker 2:So something's off a little bit with the caretaker. I think it might be a little mentally off or something, I don't know she was, you know Anyway, and the guy was like I don't understand why they keep arresting me. I'm like, dude, you got to go to court. Yeah.
Speaker 3:So what his charge was was obtaining property by false pretense, wasn't?
Speaker 2:it and forgery.
Speaker 3:Forgery. So he got like a check or something in the mail supposedly, and he tried to cash it and he cashed it, he cashed it, he cashed it and then it bounced of course and the bank took charges out on him and the whole nine. Okay, so it must have been a large dollar amount.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was. I want to say it was in the thousands.
Speaker 3:Anything over what is it 2,000 is a felony.
Speaker 2:It's either 1 or 2,000. I think so. I think so. Yeah, so it was. It was over that anyway. So, and he was still confused, he goes. Well, why did he charge me? I'm like, well, dude you, this is what you need to do. You need to contact the attorney. Okay, you need to go to court and you can hash it out in there.
Speaker 3:That's not my, you know that's not my expertise, I'm so, and back up this is dude was previously let out on a unsecured bond, right? So basically, the magistrate or the judge looked at him, you know. He went through and said he owns a house, right? The dude's old, you know. I don't know what his criminal background was.
Speaker 2:Well, he missed court after that.
Speaker 3:Correct that's what I'm getting at is like they did their assessment to think that he was a good risk to have a unsecured bond.
Speaker 2:And I would agree, and I would agree with him.
Speaker 3:I would agree. But here's where you can't. Everybody's not going to do what you think you know and like on paper. The guy looked like a perfect candidate for an unsecured bond and I would agree. An unsecured bond and I would agree. But he wasn't willing to go through the route of dealing with it? No, he didn't care, so he'd already. We can see the history of what happened with his case. Thank God for this new system.
Speaker 2:His e-courts. I'm kind of digging it.
Speaker 3:I'm liking it so we can see everything that happens. So we're like, oh unsecured, Now when you fail to appear and you're rearrested, now it becomes secured. And so he had a $10,000. It was five, because they have a system they go through and coordinate with your charge and all that stuff. He had a $5,000 unsecured bond at first.
Speaker 2:And then when he missed court, it doubles and becomes secure.
Speaker 3:Yep.
Speaker 2:So we bonded him out on a $10,000 secured bond.
Speaker 3:We bonded him on a $10,000, and he owed us more money too. He never paid.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:But anyway, when he missed, we tried calling, tried calling the caretaker Cosign, Cosign for him right Tried calling.
Speaker 2:Nothing, nothing, nobody.
Speaker 3:Wouldn't return calls texts anything. So we decided to ride up there yesterday.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, we ride up there. So we ride up there and we go to the house and there's like ducks and pigs.
Speaker 3:He's kind of in the country a little bit.
Speaker 2:A little bit.
Speaker 3:Right outside of Burgall. Yeah, burgall, burgall Sounds country because it is.
Speaker 2:Yes, it is, but a pretty little town. It's a cute little town.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's kind of like Mayberry, you know if you want to visualize Mayberry town, it's kind of like mayberry you know if you want to visualize mayberry? That's what it's kind of like and but he's, so we pull up and there's a pen it's address on file now, by the way yeah, which you know, he owned the house. So we kind of expected it would be the correct house, right?
Speaker 2:so we have and we have by the state law. We have every right to enter that house.
Speaker 3:Yes, first party house but, he's almost 90 years old, so we, we're not trying to like you know, yeah, we're not trying to bust up on Uncle Jesse here and scare him to death.
Speaker 2:But he had some weird signs out there.
Speaker 3:Well, that's what I'm getting to. I was looking. You know he had a pen that had ducks and chickens, yeah. Then he had a pig pen you know's pigs running around. And then in the back he had like four barns and on one of them was written in big letters Pray for us both, pray for the cops to get to you before my fast lead. Does Meaning I'll shoot your ass, is what it meant, and we had already knocked on the front door. No response. Meaning I'll shoot your ass is what it meant. Yeah and um, we had already knocked on the front door. No response. This is about 10 o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 2:Yep, um, and we I looked through the back door so there was like a sunroom.
Speaker 3:Sunroom with a little door, and then there's another main door to the house.
Speaker 2:And so the sunroom was open. Yeah, so we go in. I'm looking through this door, there's junk everywhere I see his boots. I see his glasses. I see his meds. That's inside the house. I see the TV on. I'm like all right, wait, he's home. Right, he's here, but he's not coming to the damn door.
Speaker 3:And while you're looking there, I'm looking around in the sunroom and there's a box of shells. Was that 40?
Speaker 2:or 45?.
Speaker 3:I think there were 45 caliber bullets. Yeah, just a whole bunch of them right there. And I'm doing the math on what's on the sign, what's there. You know what was written on that barn and I'm like, dude ain't afraid to shoot somebody. No, I mean, you got to think. I mean he might be 90, but he can still pull the trigger, I'm sure. Yep, and if he's senile or you know, even though we're announcing who we are, he don't care, he just badges out and you know the whole nine, you know.
Speaker 2:He just don't care, he just don't care. Yeah.
Speaker 3:So you know it's a little. You know you got to take that with caution. So after looking at all that we backed up, there's no response, we're not going to go in because of his age and the other things. So we leave and actually we got a bond call while we were up there. Yeah, that call while we were up there and we went up to the jail, met a nice gentleman Like five minutes down the road.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so we went and did that bond, helped him out with his stepson or his adopted son having some problems. While we were there, we talked to the magistrate.
Speaker 2:She told us what number to call for the deputy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so we got the young patrol guy to come up there and explain what it was we were trying to do, because a lot of times we don't get help from the cops. But we thought this was an exception. With the guy's age he could be dead in there.
Speaker 2:Who knows?
Speaker 3:It smelled bad, so I was kind of worried for a second yeah, I mean, you know, so they can do a wellness call, wellness check, and so we waited and he showed up and he was like y'all can't be on the property I was like what?
Speaker 2:yeah, dude, we like so we didn't argue with him, but just just for just to let you guys know that we have more authority over that guy that anybody else does well, yeah and that's that was the question I asked yesterday is like, what authority?
Speaker 3:I mean, I know what authority we have on a first-party house which we can go in, but that officer that's doing a wellness check, is he able to go into a house?
Speaker 2:I don't know, but he told us we couldn't be on the property. So what do we do?
Speaker 3:I mean, the guy has a warrant, legit warrant. He looked it up before he came there and but just because you know he's not allowed to do that, we are, but he's not. But he also it's a wellness. The guy could be dead. He's 90 years old, yeah so, but he said he made contact. He called us and said he made contact.
Speaker 2:Well, we went but well, and we couldn't be on the property, so we went up the street. We literally went across the street and parked on the side road.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was a tree line so they couldn't see us, but we could see if they walked out to a car or something like that. Yeah, which was a good spot anyway. He calls us and says he made contact and, uh, you know he's gonna the warrant, so it made easy for us pretty much. So we got him, but we didn't get him. Yeah, but we got him.
Speaker 2:But it's a roundabout way, but it's $10,000.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was a $10,000 bond and, um you know, we had no communication, so it's still money you know, and no matter how you do it, but I think we did it the right way I think so, I believe so.
Speaker 2:I mean we didn't nobody got hurt, the warrant got served, yeah, and the guy he got bonded out again somebody bonded him out.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, and that was his, his third or second, second. So whoever did that? Well, we know who did it. But good luck, yeah, you don't go, you're, you're paying right um, so anyway, I know that wasn't, you know we, it wasn't like the normal story that we have, but these are all real stories and these are situations we deal with, you know, with real people. So I think they're worth noting. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, that was the story of Uncle Jesse. Uncle Jesse, Yep.
Speaker 3:So man, I never like who would have thought we had to go get an old man like that. Whoever thought that? Yeah, I know People were like, oh well, you know why does he got a bond? Why does he got to do that? Dude's not paying attention? I mean just because he ain't going to court. Do you want to cut everybody a break? And you know at what point do you draw the line, man?
Speaker 2:Well, we're seeing a lot of crap like that going on now People dancing on top of cop cars oh yeah.
Speaker 3:I saw a story about the twerking. These ladies are twerking on a cop car, yeah, so their camera that hangs down in the car caught their faces, and so there's a software that I made note of that we're going to look into. Oh, yeah. That uses facial recognition to comb social medias like all social medias, basically, like Google, you can take a picture of something.
Speaker 2:AI.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and so it will comb through all this social media and have identifying someone's photo their face, so it brings you to them and that's how they tracked these girls down and they charged them. I mean, uh, it's, it's destruction of um a property property yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean it's a charge. I mean, you know they got on car, they bent the metal in the. Uh, the hood Wasn't theirs. The point being, until we start, you know, actually prosecuting people for these, letting people just walk all over police, it's never going to change. It's not going to change. It's like. Now I'm seeing videos of people like that are running out of department stores. I just saw one where they ran out of lululemon.
Speaker 2:You know like a whole bunch of clothes.
Speaker 3:And the chick got into a waiting car and they took off and they ended up catching her, you know, prosecuting her. Good, good, we got to put an end to all this.
Speaker 2:You know I really want to win. I don't have to keep dealing with it. I don't want to get moved, so bad.
Speaker 3:If I win the lottery, there will be signs there. If I win the lottery, there will be signs. There will be signs.
Speaker 2:There will be signs, but you won't see me no more.
Speaker 3:You won't know where I'm at. I guarantee Our podcast is coming to you from an unknown location.
Speaker 2:Meanwhile, you've got palm trees and ocean behind you. There will be clues, but we will control the clues Exactly. Well, that'll story, uncle Jesse man Chad. I'm glad you're back, buddy. I'm glad I got a break from the phones now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, man, yeah, back to the usual.
Speaker 2:Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 3:Oh, so we got coming up when this airs the 30, excuse me, the 1st of August, oh yeah, the NCBAA airs um the 30 and the excuse me the first of august, oh yeah, the ncbaa. So our fellow bondsman of the state, um, a lot of you will be there for the state thing. We have, uh, committed to being there to do a live podcast and we want to hear you guys and your stories. So come by our booth and, yeah, get on I can't wait.
Speaker 2:I can't wait to do that again. It's nice to do that. It's unfortunate we couldn't go out to Montana.
Speaker 3:There are a lot of the. Nabba events in there right now.
Speaker 2:You guys that are in NABBA that listen to us. We miss you, we love you, we wish we could be there.
Speaker 3:Have fun up there, it's beautiful.
Speaker 2:All right, Well, Chad, that's. That's it for today. Brother, I'm ready to call it a day.
Speaker 3:Yep, All right guys.
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