Off The Hook
We are a group of private investigators, bounty hunters / fugitive recovery agents, and bail bondsmen that have been in this line of work for over twenty five years and have many stories to tell. We have traveled all over the country catching fugitives and bringing them back to have their day in court. With our years of experience we are trying to educate the public about bail and why it is a needed part of our judicial system.
Off The Hook
Bounty Hunters vs. Kilo: The Rubber Round Takedown
Dive into the dangerous world of bail enforcement with Rob and Chad as they share the unforgettable pursuit of "Kilo," a fugitive facing his third strike who would do anything to avoid capture.
After setting up surveillance operations across multiple locations in Greenville, North Carolina, the duo finally spots their target at a family member's house. What follows is a wild chase that defies belief—Kilo drives through a front yard, across a ditch, and blows out two tires, yet continues fleeing at 40mph in his smoking, failing truck.
When the vehicle finally gives out, desperation takes over. Rob deploys rubber rounds, striking Kilo in the shoulder, but even this doesn't stop him. The pursuit culminates in a knee-deep pond where Kilo appears to dispose of drugs before making a critical error—reaching for his pocket while standing in water. The resulting taser deployment creates a story neither the fugitive nor the agents will soon forget.
"These people we're going after, we don't always know what they're facing," Chad explains. "If you're facing a good stretch in prison, you do some desperate things." This insight proves true when they later learn this was Kilo's "third strike," explaining his extraordinary efforts to escape.
Between pursuing fugitives, the hosts share thoughts on current events, summer plans, and extend an invitation to fellow bail enforcement professionals to share their experiences on future episodes. Their authentic, unfiltered conversation provides a rare glimpse into the realities of an often-misunderstood profession.
Are you a bail agent with stories to share? The Off the Hook podcast welcomes guests from across the country to help demystify the bail enforcement world. Find us on YouTube, Spotify, or visit www.offthehookbail.com to connect.
When people are released from jail, they have the responsibility to appear in court, but some of these people choose to go on the run. They go back home to mommy and that is when these guys come into the picture. So sit back and listen to the Off the Hook podcast with Chad and Rob Very fine people on both sides. These are real stories, but the names have been changed.
Speaker 2:What's going on, guys Rob here.
Speaker 3:And this is Rob.
Speaker 2:You always go first, man. Okay, I got to get in there. Anyway, man, how's things going for you?
Speaker 3:It's good man. Okay, I got to get in there. Yes, you do. Anyway, man, how's things going for you? It's good man. Summer is finally here, got some trips lined up and water to get into and islands to visit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man Enjoy the summertime.
Speaker 3:That's what we're here to do.
Speaker 2:Man, when I pulled up this morning to work and I got out, I saw you walking down the sidewalk with that Pantera shirt on.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, yeah, Maybe it's mine, yes.
Speaker 2:Mr Pantera over here.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm following that whole thing, man. I really contemplated flying me and my son to Florida, to Tampa. They had a two-day weekend.
Speaker 2:Well, they had Limp Bizkit there. Right, they had Limp Bizkit there.
Speaker 3:I would love to see Limp Bizkit and Pantel. You can't see them both, but him and Metallica, that would have been awesome and Denver's still a possibility.
Speaker 2:Oh man Go, man Do it.
Speaker 3:Do it All around. I don't know, man, I don't know. We got some stuff to do, man, anyway.
Speaker 2:So, speaking of, uh, you said denver, let's go a little bit further west from here, have you?
Speaker 3:I'm sure you, we've been talking about it. So currently, as we're recording this, the craziness that's going on in la, like what the hell and uh, you know what's your take on it, people out there, I mean.
Speaker 2:I mean, if you want to, protest cool, you can protest all day long, but don't be destroying stuff.
Speaker 3:I mean, I find it, you know, kind of strange that people cry when laws are enforced of what was laws that were broken? And then you get caught and then they get enforced and you cry about it well, because the left don't have consequences for their actions you know, everybody was all fine and dandy till you know, while they were coming across the border and they knew it was illegal to do. And then we're just supposed to forget that that's a law.
Speaker 2:Well, past presidents have said illegal immigration has been a problem.
Speaker 3:And it's not just. It lives on YouTube. You can find it.
Speaker 2:Yep man, I don't know what they're. Man, they're destroying stuff. I mean, people are getting hurt.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they're throwing stuff off bridges. I saw like five cop cars in the window smashed out underneath a bridge where they're dropping mopeds and other large things. I saw one guy with a hammer chipping away at a curb so he'd have rocks to throw at cops. Like crazy stuff man.
Speaker 2:I did see something that was pretty funny though out there that some dude was riding on his little little electric scooter I saw that he got.
Speaker 3:He just got jacked man he got and he ran over a scooter. He got jacked thrown into a wall hardcore oh man, you know what?
Speaker 2:I'm so glad that we don't live anywhere near la we've been to that shithole and you know, remember that. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Literally, I mean people shitting on the streets. When we were there, yeah. In front of Man's Chinese Theater, the Hollywood Walk. Yeah that place is nasty, very nasty place.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they didn't keep that. Yeah, they didn't keep it too. But in other news, like here on the East Coast, we're living life.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean well, other stuff in the news. So there's the Elon Trump issue going on Like what's your take on that? Is it real?
Speaker 2:Is it I?
Speaker 3:don't know, I don't know. It's really bizarre.
Speaker 2:I watch it just enough to kind of keep in touch, but I kind of like not watch it because it's a pain in the ass.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So I was catching Theo Vaughn's podcast. I listened to him. I was listening to his podcast. He had JD Vance and they were having his day. I mean, like he's such a breath fresh air. He's a young guy, you know, fresh, looking on things and talking about, you know, being inside the White House and he's like the first president who's ever slept in the White House as vice president. I didn't know that. Oh yeah, his first. Well, he's not 100%, but they were saying that on the podcast. He went over after they won or something and didn't know that. But he stayed over there with his wife and his kids. That was pretty cool, in the lincoln room or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, pretty cool I mean, I don't care who you are. If you get to stay, oh yeah it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3:I mean, that's still, that's cool, that's history, man, that's where the uh, it's the history is there. So he said it was a bit creepy, though, because you know, lincoln left and he got killed and didn't come back. Oh, yeah, when he went to see that play. Yeah, it's just a lot of history.
Speaker 2:Yeah, did you see the raid that they had in Somerville, south Carolina?
Speaker 3:I saw on TikTok. I saw a lot.
Speaker 2:They arrested 72 people Really and there was a murder. There was a guy wanted for murder from another country, I don't know which one Honduras, el Salvador, somewhere in South America.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, Didn't you say that the Mexican president's telling Mexican people here?
Speaker 2:Yeah, to riot.
Speaker 3:To riot. So evidently you don't want your people back in your country. You didn't want them there to begin with, so you're going to tell them to act up here so that we'll keep them right.
Speaker 2:Is that your plan? It's not going to happen, though. No, it's not going to happen, you're going. Enough's enough, man. We've had so much fentanyl coming through the border.
Speaker 3:Oh, I was listening. That reminds me of the other one. There've been so many good podcasts. Kash Patel on Joe Rogan right now. Everyone should listen to that one. That one's a really good one. He breaks down the whole fentanyl issue of how it's being played out. You know there's precursors that make fentanyl.
Speaker 2:The problem is there's not just one thing that makes it and it actually has a medical use to help, I, I think, put people to sleep or like really bad, you know pain stuff, like right. My girlfriend's mother had it when she had her heart surgery so the precursors that are made are made in other countries.
Speaker 3:Well, apparently, um, they've done such a good job of shutting down the southern border that now they're rerouting getting it in our country through canada, and you know we already got a beef with canada and uh tariffs and things like that. So I don't know, man, and I heard scary stuff that they just they're showing up, um, fentanyl showing up in candy now for kids up in new york shaped like gummy bears.
Speaker 2:I tell you what. The more and more this goes on, the more and more I'm like you know what? Let's go get a couple of cows put in the yard.
Speaker 3:Yeah right, I think my dad got it right man. If you're listening, man. I think you got it right Living the way you do in the mountains yeah, he doesn't worry about any of this stuff Off the grid.
Speaker 2:yeah, it's scary man. That's why. That's why you know you support your local businesses. You know local food market Like we got a lot of hog farmers down here, like you can get. You know you can get fresh meat from them.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, we're going to split a cow cow. Um, I want to do that soon, yeah, that'd be, that'd be awesome yeah, that's just the way to go, and I'm really trying to get away from all the stuff that's in food my grand, my girlfriend's mother, she grows.
Speaker 2:She has like a little garden in her back and she grows her own like oak rod right and cucumbers and stuff like that and she cans it and it's not a my grandparents.
Speaker 3:Man, I had a root cellar and, like you, go down there and they had the mason jars full of all kinds of stuff. I'm like what the do y'all really eat this? But but apparently that was the way to go. They had their own garden.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's, that's what you do I think it might be still the way you know older people they've been there, done that.
Speaker 3:They're the smartest people, and it takes younger people a long time to realize that. It's like when we were kids we didn't believe our parents knew what they were talking about. But guess what? They'd already been there, done that. We just failed to listen to them.
Speaker 2:The more and more all this crap goes on, the more and more I'm like my granddaddy was right.
Speaker 3:Exactly you know, but you're just young and I see it in my son.
Speaker 2:And, like he don't listen, he's not going to Well, other than that, um, me and Chad been talking about this.
Speaker 3:Guys, if you are listening and you want to be on the podcast, yeah, man, we want to hear some uh input from some of you um bail agents and bounty hunters and other States man yeah.
Speaker 3:Even PIs. Yeah, pis Like normalize, just make it common talk for people to understand what goes on, because it's a complicated process, the whole legal system, and you know we talk in a lot of abbreviated terms and things that I get calls from people all the time and you know a parent, that's just, I don't know what to do. I don't understand what's going on. You know, can you walk me through it, you know, and things like that. But I think it would have helped people to get a little bit better grasp.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so if you're interested, just hit us up. You know how to get a hold of us, but until then, we got this story come up to it for you right now, let me go ahead and play our music. All right, that's it. That's it. I don't want to get struck tell stories all right. So chad came up with really good name for this dude. This is awesome. I'll let him say it. It's a 25,000. It was out of Greenville, North County, but Greenville, North Carolina area and his name is.
Speaker 3:Kilo hey, because he deals with drugs. Yeah, he's a better name for a drug dealer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's awesome, so we go.
Speaker 3:Kilo. You could call him Grams Nah.
Speaker 2:We'll save that one for another one. Kilo sounds better. He move his heavier, heavier stuff. So all right, chad wasn't with me on this one. This was uh, we were in, uh, matt me and matt yep we were up in greenville. We get a call from, uh, a bondsman up there that we do a lot of recovery work for. We get up there, we get the file file, we're looking at it. Bondsman's done some of his work too, so he's given us a lot of information to go, which is nice it's rare.
Speaker 3:You get a sheet with a forfeiture and that's about it.
Speaker 2:It's a couple hour drive from here. So we get up there, we look over the file, go over it with the bondsman all right, cool, we're gonna go. And we have a ci. That's helping us too, so that's that helps. So we're watching a couple of houses and we go out to one. I'll set a camera in a bush, you know, watching that house while we're over here at this house looking or we're out doing other investigations it all depends.
Speaker 3:I love doing that. It just makes you multitask.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you keep an eye on it. You ain't got much time because we want to be back home in the afternoon right Work hard, Work smart, not hard right.
Speaker 2:So we found out this other address, that that camera zone's not the one. So we go back, grab the camera it was an expensive camera and we go to the informant says that he is going to stop at this house to pick up some clothes I think it's a family member's house, so we need to watch. So we go to that house. There's an old tobacco barn across the street. We kind of hide behind it. You can't see us. We sit out there for hours, like two, three hours, and finally he's on his own time. Man, he finally pulls up. So when he pulls up, goes in the house, we're like, all right, we're going to pull in behind him. When he walks out and walks out the door, was he driving? Yes, he was driving. Okay, he was driving.
Speaker 2:Um, this is a little. It was a, uh, like an older pickup truck. I don't remember what make and model was it, but it it took a beating so. But I'm about to tell y'all what happened. So, all right, he pulls in. We pull in behind him. He's walking out and he's right in front of his truck. I mean, he's really fast by that time. He— Thin guy. Was he thin tall? No, he was a husky guy. Yeah, a little husky.
Speaker 3:But he could still move.
Speaker 2:He could still move. So he jumps in the truck and he takes off. Well, the only driveway. In this there's two driveways one we were blocking, the other one he couldn't really get to, but he got to it all right. He drove right through the front yard, through the ditch, and come up and like airborne and hit the brick pavers on the edge of the driveway and me and Matt were like what in the hell just happened here? Anyway, he, we hear the tires blow there's two tires blown and his truck's messed up.
Speaker 2:So we're like, well, he ain't going too fast. And so we get the truck, we'll follow him behind him. We're doing like 40, but that's the only thing his truck would do. He goes forever. He's going for miles. I'm like what's this dude doing? He's like we're going to catch you. You're only doing 40 miles an hour. He keeps slowing down because the truck has had it. Man, it's smoking, it has had it. I'm like we're ready for him to stop. When it looks like he's about to stop, he, he goes again and it's dude, it's like, come on, man, hurry up, stop. So there's traffic behind us watching this and lo and behold, it was a uh, it was an off-duty sheriff behind us. Okay, oh, we found out later. So we're going and finally he just stops.
Speaker 2:The truck can't take anymore. He gets out and we get out all at the same time I've got rubber rounds in my shotgun, sweet, and I told matt. I said, matt, be careful. I say if he takes off running, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna shoot him with some rubber rounds. I said so don't run in front of the shotgun. He's like, all right, because he already planned on running after him so. So we jump out and I'm like hang on, matt Got him in my sights, shot him, boom, hit him right in his shoulder, man, he tumbled for a minute and he got back up and kept running. I was like what was this dude doing? So Matt goes after him. So here I am, His truck and my truck's, in the middle of the road and we're running across this empty lot between these two houses Nice houses, by the way, okay, good, continue. And there's a pond in the backyard.
Speaker 3:Let's see where this is going. What is it with people running from us and jumping in ponds?
Speaker 2:Man, I don't know man, but like this dude. I heard neighbors screaming after a shot.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, it does sound like a kind of like a. It's a little different, but still similar to a real gun.
Speaker 2:So Matt's on his heels and the dude jumps in the water. This dude, he's knee-deep water. He threw something out in the water and I think it was a bag of drugs he he had to have well, kilos got to live up to his name, right. Yeah, he does. So I'm, I'm coming up on this and Matt hasn't met. You know he's got it at taser point. He's like do not move your, do not move your do not move your hands.
Speaker 3:Keep your hands where I can see him.
Speaker 2:It's in water, right he's in water, electricity and water. He tells them multiple times and I'm almost there, and what does the dude do?
Speaker 3:goes for his pocket.
Speaker 2:He goes into his pot. He tries to go into his pockets and when he does this and tries to go into his pockets Wrong move, matt lights him up, bro Lights him up. You know that was oof.
Speaker 3:I'd be scared, dude. I mean, I've heard of people being in a foot in a puddle and getting shot. I don't know if it's true or not.
Speaker 2:That magnifies it, Dude that one time me and you got like had to go after that dude, and the cord was wrapped up. We told this story before, but the cord was wrapped up in the handle and I was like, hit the door, hit the door, and every time I grabbed it it would shock me.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, the leads.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you got. Yeah, I don't feel good. So, anyway, he shoots him. He falls down in the water. So Matt cuts the taser off. We both jump in this water. It's nasty pond water. Oh dude, we were soaking wet. We had to take off our shoes and everything and put them in the back of the truck. So we're fighting with this guy. We get him in cuffs, finally, and we're walking back. He's tired. And we're walking back up and neighbors over there are screaming and we're like he's in cuffs, don't worry about it. She kept screaming, just running around.
Speaker 2:It was funny. Me and Matt were talking junk about it. We're like what's this lady doing? She's freaking out. Them junk about. Like what's this lady, though she's freaking out. So we get back up and the off-duty cop that was behind us yeah, was got out was like bro, do you need help with anything? I'm like could you move the vehicles out of the way, because I don't know about his, but yours I can't. I'm like, all right, cool. So we started. You know there was traffic back. There was old country road, though there was like not many, you know people. There was traffic back there. It was Old Country Road, though there was like not many, you know people backed up, but they were watching. It was funny as could be, bro, I'm telling you. So we're sitting there, you know, we're gathering all of our stuff back up. We push his truck off the road and just close it up and we find like paraphernalia in there open container liquor. There's more drugs in there, but we don't care about that, cause that's not our problem. We're there for him missing court.
Speaker 3:Hey, dude could have caught some more charges, you know yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but we did tell the, the off duty sheriff. He said I'm going to make a phone call, have Andy? We're going to take this dude back to jail. Yeah, so, but we, what we do is we take him back to the bondsman's office. Hmm, he didn't say a word the whole time we got to the bondsman's office that we get him out, we sit him down. He's soaking wet. We're wet, it's nasty, we're like hey man, let's, let's take a look. And we pulled his shirt up.
Speaker 3:Man, he had a knot, so you got the shoulder. It got him right here. Oh, okay, we got one that was right on his shoulder. It was seriously like a goose egg sticking out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it looked almost like a softball, yeah, like size welt, and I was like man, how did that feel? He said, bro, I never want to feel that again. But my adrenaline was going so hard him. I said how did that feel? He said, bro. He said I never want to feel that again. He goes, but my adrenaline was going so hard.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was going to say I mean, but it don't stop, Like same with the guy we hit, like he. I mean, it changed his attitude, right, but it didn't like super phase him, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Not like a taser does.
Speaker 2:It helps to get him to stop sometimes. Sometimes you just keep going like this guy did. But I know for a fact I talked to the bondsman not too long ago after that, when we got him to the well, first let's talk about when we got him to office. So the bondsman comes out and goes man, what are you running for? He goes man, I'm going to be in prison for a while. This is my third strike.
Speaker 3:And that's the thing people got to realize is these people we're going after, we don't always know what they're facing. If you're facing a good stretch in prison, you do some desperate things. That's the thing Everybody's like well, you know big deal. No, no, these people are desperate and they do desperate things. Yep, so you got to be prepared for that and jumping in the water and getting tased.
Speaker 2:That's about as different, desperate as you can get. Man. I was like good god. I bet you he's riding the lightning right now while I was running up to him I don't know why people do it.
Speaker 3:I mean I guess desperation or whatever, but yeah well, he got it works out well he went.
Speaker 2:he's gone to prison for a while, cause that's his third strike.
Speaker 3:So you're going to put some money on this canteen. No no, no conjugal visits no.
Speaker 2:I'm good Window love, not my forte, he'll get he'll get plenty of conjugal in prison, that's for sure. He'll be somebody's bubba, oh so kilo, so kilo. That that's the story. Oh, kilo, that's been, god, that's been a long time ago. That's been. That's been years ago, because I don't think matt's around here anymore. I think matt's up in virginia now or something. So, yeah, this matt, if you listen, what's?
Speaker 3:up. Buddy business has a quick turnover. It seems like people yeah, not made for everybody, that's for sure yeah, I'm uh, I've got another exciting story coming up.
Speaker 2:Uh, here soon. We. We got somebody this morning with the us Marshals in the District Attorney's office. Yeah, he was wanted for murder and he was on the run from a bondsman for I can't remember. It was something. Oh, it was something related, but not. But anyway. So drugs, he's a rapper. You know, want to be a rapper, just like everybody else is around here, and anyway, that story is a good story coming up. We got some more. Anyway, if you like, like I said in the previous, if you like what you hear and you want to be on the podcast, we're more than welcome to have you up here. I mean, I think, chad, would we like the in-person? In-person's cool.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we can make it happen. Wherever you're at, we do the what are they called? Zoom, zoom, yep, zoom ones. So that seems to work. Okay, we had a really good one with a guy in Arizona and we want to do some others. Yeah, kenny Payton. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, alan, I know you're listening, buddy.
Speaker 2:I know Alan's going to want he's already reached out to me.
Speaker 3:Yeah, alan Horner, I think he just commented on our last one.
Speaker 2:I wonder how he's doing out there with the riots. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I was curious about that too.
Speaker 2:He's writing a thick of it all. I see what time is it there?
Speaker 3:it's about 9, 15 there so I'll give him a call and see what's going on with him. Yeah, he is in the middle of it, isn't he?
Speaker 2:he's in la yeah, he's la riverside area. It's all together right there. Maybe it's just in that one portion of la right, because you know, the news, news media is not going to tell you everything. They're just going to, they're going, they're going to show you, you know, all the bad stuff that's happening in that one area. They're not going to show you the peaceful, but peaceful what was?
Speaker 3:the australian reporter that was trying to get close to the action got hit with a rubber round in their leg pop and well, you know you're in a way. I mean I know you want to get close to the action, but you can get hit, yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean they're not. It's a little different. It's not like it was four years ago.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You can't burn down the city. That's, I mean, that's stupid. Don't burn down. Don't burn down your own city. That's the dumbest thing you could ever do. I mean, you're local, it's not?
Speaker 3:really their city.
Speaker 2:You're hurting.
Speaker 3:This is true. I mean, yeah, you're not going to crap on your own home, but it's not really your home, no, and?
Speaker 2:I don't get that. Why would you fly another country's?
Speaker 3:flag and protest it. I wouldn't go to Mexico and fly an American flag.
Speaker 2:No, they'd kill you.
Speaker 3:I mean, what makes you think you can come here and do the opposite? I don't get that train of thought. You think you can come here and do the opposite.
Speaker 2:I don't get that train of thought. You just don't care, Chad.
Speaker 3:Apparently I don't.
Speaker 2:You have no sympathy yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I have no sympathy. My gaming shit broke. I don't understand the liberal mind. I'm sorry, I just don't. Please explain. If you're liberal and you can persuade us to your way of thinking, we'd love for you to come on here and talk to us about it, because I'm open to anything that makes sense, as long as you can back it up with reasonable thought, not what the media gives you, but actual fact. Yeah, that'd be great.
Speaker 2:Well, that was a story for Kilo that got busted with a rubber round Right on man. Well we have to tell that. There's another story that comes to mind that me and you did that we're going to have to tell.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you got one that came up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, okay, I keep thinking about all the time is me. And you went down to Dillon, south Carolina, and got that girl and she was being drug trafficked, but she also had warrants out for her arrest for probation violation. You walked into the room and you said y'all were talking about you oh, I remember yeah yeah, I remember, man, that was a sad story. But yeah, that was, that was sad I wonder what I I really wish I can remember her name. I would love to look her up and see if she's doing okay.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we run across some sad situations, yeah All right guys.
Speaker 2:Well, that's it for today's episode. Look us up YouTube Off the Hook Bell Bond Podcast, Spotify, all that good, the whole deal, the whole deal. So you know what to do. I'm Rob, I'm Chad.
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