Off The Hook
We are a group of private investigators, bounty hunters / fugitive recovery agents, and bail bondsmen that have been in this line of work for over twenty five years and have many stories to tell. We have traveled all over the country catching fugitives and bringing them back to have their day in court. With our years of experience we are trying to educate the public about bail and why it is a needed part of our judicial system.
Off The Hook
Bounty Hunters Don't Get to Choose Their Moments
The line between a routine bail recovery and a high-stakes manhunt blurs dramatically in this riveting conversation with Kenny, a veteran recovery agent and bondsman from Phoenix, Arizona. Kenny pulls back the curtain on what became a headline-making case from 2017—the capture of "Phoenix Leo," a fugitive who transformed from bail jumper to armed robbery spree suspect while evading authorities for 34 days.
What begins as standard surveillance at a grandmother's house (who put up her home as collateral for the $75,000 bond) quickly escalates when Leo starts robbing convenience stores and sandwich shops daily while armed. Kenny masterfully recounts the mounting pressure as U.S. Marshals, local police, and a specialized gang task force all converge on the hunt—with Kenny's team navigating the complex web of sharing intelligence without compromising their leads.
The story culminates in a pulse-pounding confrontation where Kenny makes the split-second decision to block Leo's escape route rather than wait for backup, leading to a dangerous standoff involving a broken car window, OC spray, and a desperate struggle to prevent the suspect from reaching his firearm. "You don't get to choose how you get them," Kenny explains, revealing the unpredictable reality of bail recovery work.
Beyond the adrenaline-pumping capture, this episode offers fascinating insights into the business side of bounty hunting—the long hours of surveillance, coordination with law enforcement, financial risks, and even the surprising differences in how bail forfeiture money is handled across different states. For anyone curious about how fugitive recovery really works (versus Hollywood portrayals), this conversation provides an authentic glimpse into this high-risk, high-stakes profession.
When people are released from jail, they have the responsibility to appear in court, but some of these people choose to go on the run.
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Speaker 2:What's going on, guys? I'm Rob, I'm Chad, what's up? Hey, welcome to another exciting episode of Off the Hook Podcast, and we have a special guest.
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Speaker 2:That's good stuff right there, so we're going to go ahead and get into it today. We've got a special guest with us today. His name is Kenny. He's a recovery agent bondsman out in Phoenix Arizona.
Speaker 3:So we first met Kenny at the first NABBA event in Pensacola, florida last year. Yep, and you know we go to these events and get to meet these people all over the United States and you know it's a good networking thing that we do. And yeah, kenny's's been I'm not sure how long kenny um, come on in and let's let's talk to you. What's up, dude? What's up buddy?
Speaker 2:you there? Uh, he, he's stuck there, you go okay we, we good morning. How are you guys good sir? How are you guys Good sir? How are you Doing real well.
Speaker 3:All right, kenny, can you tell us a little bit about your history? How long have you been in the business and where you're at, and stuff like that?
Speaker 4:I'm in Phoenix, arizona. We do pretty much all of Arizona. I started doing recoveries in 2004, and then I became a bondsman in 2012. So I do both sides of it. I started doing recoveries and I never looked back. I enjoyed it and I've always continued to do it and wanted to learn more in the industry. So that's why I became a bondsman. But I like both sides of everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right on. So how's bonding going in your neck of the woods?
Speaker 4:So it's up and down. It has its busy times and then all of a sudden a lot of people get released on pretrial services and you see people get released on pretrial services for charges that you wouldn't imagine, and then you see them getting a bond on something you would have thought they would have just got a ward on. So it's up and down and Arizona doesn't really have a bell calendar.
Speaker 2:It sounds like there's no consistency.
Speaker 4:Right. So you could have 12 defendants in the courtroom, all with the same charges, and you could have 12 completely different outcomes. There's no real rhyme or reason why they released this person or put this person on pretrial. It's kind of all over the place.
Speaker 3:Makes no sense.
Speaker 2:I think pretrial. Honestly, we've had the current district attorney now on our show here for our area and he likes pretrial and that's his, that's his opinion but we voted for him. We like him. He's doing a great job. But I don't like pre-trial.
Speaker 3:I think it's a I think a lot of it, I don't mind a mixture of of what makes sense. You know, like charges, that you know I can get, that you know they, they deserve at least a chance at going. You know, until they, you know, don't show up for court.
Speaker 2:It's almost a waste of taxpayer money.
Speaker 3:Yeah, some charges.
Speaker 2:Now you know they.
Speaker 3:You know I've listened to a lady at UNC Chapel Hill try to describe a non-victim or victimless crime which there's no such thing. You can say no one was hurt physically in some charges. But there's a victim, like the example she used with the lady who went to the gas station, got her gas and drove off and didn't have any money and then she was arrested. Right, the victim was the owner of the store, right, so you can't make an example of that. But in that particular case they weren't physically harmed, so I get it. It was her first charge. You know you can add all that to come up with maybe an unsecured bond. You know how tied she is to the community. There's a lot that goes into figuring this thing out, but you have to. You know you've got so many places in a jail that will, you know, hold people. So I get not giving everybody a secure bond until they prove you wrong, but some deserve one from the get go. A lot of them do so anyway. That's where we're coming from on that topic.
Speaker 2:So, kenny pretrial services aside, let's talk about what we're here today for. It's pretty much one of your craziest stories. What you told us is it just happened recently, right?
Speaker 4:um, the one that I did. It happened in to 2017. That was my. That was definitely the one that, when everybody asked me what my wildest one was, I always reflect back to that one right, so this one got out in the news and everything.
Speaker 3:It was big in your area. I take it yeah.
Speaker 4:Yep, yes, sir.
Speaker 2:Did the media give you credit for catching them?
Speaker 4:Yes, they did.
Speaker 2:Nice.
Speaker 3:Okay, nice, all right, you got street cred there, all right, all right.
Speaker 2:So tell us. You tell us the story. We're going to ask some questions about it as you go. What was his name? Leo? Oh, leo, let's see. Leo from the desert. Is that pretty much Phoenix, leo?
Speaker 4:We'll figure it out Good way to put it. Yeah, Phoenix.
Speaker 2:Leo.
Speaker 3:All right, we'll call him Phoenix Leo. So what was Leo's crimes of choice that he did?
Speaker 4:He had a lot of prohibitive possession of a weapon and he had a lot of drug charges. This particular one was drive-by shooting. It was gang affiliation, prohibited possessor and of course he had drugs on him too. So it was kind of a combination. Yeah, they go hand in hand right yeah, so well, how?
Speaker 2:how big was the bond?
Speaker 4:so the bond was 75 000 okay okay, that's, that's good.
Speaker 3:No, is this your bond or somebody else you were getting for somebody else, or your yourself?
Speaker 4:it was for somebody else. Uh, at the time, at the time, I was just a recovery agent, not a bondsman. Okay, All right.
Speaker 2:So tell us about a Phoenix Leo here. Let's see how much time did you have to get him.
Speaker 3:Yeah, from the time of your forfeiture date to the time it's due. How long do you have there?
Speaker 4:It took, so we ended up getting one extension. In Arizona, you typically get about 30 days to look for somebody. If you don't find them in 30 days, you have to go to forfeiture court. You can explain to the judge all your efforts. They'll decide to give you an extension or they don't be extended. Um, we went in and we told the judge we were right on them. The judge gave us a 30-day extension. We ended up catching them on the 34. It took 34 days.
Speaker 3:Wow. So when it went over you're an extension by four days Did you have to pay the whole thing and you get some back, or how does that work there?
Speaker 4:No, basically they just give you another 30-day pension to pay the bond until after that 30 days.
Speaker 2:Okay, so let's get down to the nitty-gritty. Okay. How did you start the process to find him?
Speaker 3:Yeah, when the other company reached out to you and said hey, I want you to find this guy, how did you start?
Speaker 4:So they called us, they emailed us the file. The bond company did not get notice of the warrant at that time. He was also on a pretrial monitor and pretrial contacted the bond company, said hey, he cut his monitor off this morning and that was actually the morning that he had court. They said he's not in court, he cut his monitor off and more than likely he's on the run. So we originally got the file. Now we're not allowed to go back and look at where Leo was on the pretrial monitor. We don't have access to any kind of pretrial monitor, gps. So we went, you know, looked over the file and we basically started out at grandma's house. That's where he was living. We started doing surveillance on grandma's house morning. That was our first, our first step of, uh, doing some surveillance there to see if he was coming or going from grandma's, maybe packing some stuff or so.
Speaker 3:Were you just watching grandma's or did you go and make yourself known at grandma's?
Speaker 4:so we did surveillance on grandma's house from, uh, it was 10 am till probably 3 pm, and then we went and decided to go make contact with grandma.
Speaker 3:So grandma helpful, or was she hiding them?
Speaker 4:So grandma was terrified. She put up her home for collateral. In Arizona you have to put up collateral, okay, so she was. She was worried about losing her home. However, grandma was another lady. She said I don't know who his friends are, I don't know what he does, I don't know where he goes Um with his monitor. He had to be home by 10 PM, so he was gone pretty much all home from 10 6 AM. Uh, so she she wasn't very much help, other than the fact that obviously she wanted us to find him, cause she didn't want to have to fork up that 75,000.
Speaker 2:Right, so all right. So once, once this happens, you know you're still at a standstill. You don't know really what's going on, because any grandma scared she don't know what's going on. So what, how, what, what, where'd you go?
Speaker 4:so we had, uh, his father and his sister, who all lived in the same city. This was, uh, in tolleson, just outside of phoenix. So we decided to go make contact with the father. The father did the. We haven't seen him, we don't know where he is. That that whole spill, um, obviously we didn't believe the father. Uh, we made contact with the sister, sister's very close with the grandmother. We explained to the sister you know grandma's over there, worried, you know she could lose her home on this um, and so the sister obviously got our number, said she would try to, you know, on the download, see if she could find him. But don't tell him I'm helping you kind of situation.
Speaker 4:Um, we did not get very far into the recovery before there was us marshals and then, uh, a gang task force and the future towers in phoenix that also made contact with the belvon company. Um, it kind of shot out in all different kinds of directions because the night before they had suspected that it was Mr Leo that went inside of a Chevron and he held the clerk up at gunpoint, robbed the Chevron the night before he missed court. Um, so they were trying to contact us. They were, you know, the U S marshals. I have a very good connection with the, with the one that did contact and reach out to us, so we were trying to kind of go over what we have and what he had and we didn't want to step on each other's toes basically. So I didn't want to go talk to the brother while the Marshals were trying to do a stakeout on the brother brother while the marshals were trying to do a stakeout on the brother. So, um, it got kind of difficult because not only did we have the marshals but the gang task force but we also had a local police department, so we had about six different agencies looking for leo at the same time. Um, so as we begin discussing, you know, know our information, our leads, uh, the Marshall said that they had spoke to the sister. The sister told him she's not helping him at all. Um, that family had conflict with police. They did not want to help police, but they were wanting to help us because obviously they felt bad for grandma. So they were kind of using us to talk to the family to try to get information.
Speaker 4:As the hunt started going, he was robbing Subways, the sandwich shops and Circle K's and Chevron's, and he was robbing at least one or two every single day. Wow, and it would come out on breaking news. You know, leo comes in here, you can see him go up to the clerk with the gun, he holds him up, he demands the cash, and this was almost every day. He was hitting one or two. So it began to catch more attention and then more agencies were coming out and getting involved and at first it was it was kind of it was overwhelming because you had this agency calling this agency calling this agency and everybody was trying to get everybody's leads and information and again you don't want to burn everybody's leads or do something that somebody else is working on. So it got very difficult with that many agencies involved.
Speaker 2:Okay, so all right. If something like that happened here we're in the South, bro you go into more than one or two, everybody's going to start arming up and they're going to shoot you. If you come here and start robbing something, all right too, everybody's going to start arming up and they're going to shoot you if you come here and start robbing something. Let's get to the nitty gritty right before you get him. What was the key tip? To say we know where he's at, let's go get him.
Speaker 4:He had stolen a gold pontiac grand dam from uh, from from some elderly lady in uh, in surprise, surprise arizona. Um, the sister told me. She said, hey, he just came by. I saw him briefly, he gave me a hug. I talked to him for two or three minutes. He left. Here's the vehicle that he's in Funny side story. Real quick on that was there's US marshals that came out from Chicago to help. They're supposed to be the elite of the elite.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, we've dealt with that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so they told me. They said you know you're giving all these people false information. You're giving all these people false information. Yesterday you said he was in a maroon. Those little boxcars, I forget what they were called.
Speaker 2:Scions yeah, Scions yes sir.
Speaker 4:So he's like you're giving all these people false information. He's like you need to just sit back and you know. Basically what he said is let us handle it Right. So later that night, breaking news again here goes Leo Arredondo. He went into it was a subway on that one and then they said here you can see him work into a leads and everything.
Speaker 4:He called me the next morning he's like hey, uh, do you know what vehicle he was supposed to be in today? And I was like so, anyways, um, yeah, that was our. That was our main key right there. We knew several houses that he was going to. We just weren't sure exactly what vehicle he was in. Um, but we had kind of watching really hard that we knew he was going to be at, and so then we heard about that gold Pontiac Grand Am and then the news confirmed that he was in that gold Pontiac Grand Am. That's what our last final lead to capturing him was.
Speaker 2:Okay, so how did you find out where he was at?
Speaker 4:So how? How did you find? Find out where he was at? So we were, we. We got several tips from the sister and a couple of different people that led us to this house that he was frequently coming to. But he would not stay there very long. He was 20 minutes in and out of the house, um, and they said he would go in there, he would shower, he would change, he would do stuff like that. And that was the only house he was going to, um.
Speaker 4:So we started doing surveillance on that house. We saw a different vehicle pull up into the driveway and we saw Leo. He got out of the car, he went into the house. So, to be the safe way, I was just with one of my other agents. We were sitting there doing surveillance. We were about four houses down. So, to do it the safe way, we decided to call the marshals. Everybody. We said, hey, we've got eyes on him. He just went into this house. They were in route, you know, obviously coming to assist us. About three minutes later the garage door opened. Inside the garage was a gold potty at Grand Am. We saw him get into the Grand Am. I was on the phone with the marshals asking how far they were out. They were, you know, five, six minutes. They're trying to get there as quick as they can.
Speaker 4:We decided at this point we can't let him go. So I had my truck, we pulled up, we blocked him in the garage and he was basically trapped inside the car. At that point, obviously, we approached very cautiously. We knew he had a firearm on him. We could see him frantically moving around in the car. We went up, we started giving commands. He obviously wasn't opening the door.
Speaker 4:We ended up breaking the window to the car and we could see that Leo had a firearm on the floorboard of the passenger seat and he was wearing a seat belt. So we were trying to get the seat belt off. He was trying to reach for the firearm. Uh, we ended up. You know I don't like using it too often, but we ended up using oc spray in the car because we wanted to blind him so he couldn't have that firearm.
Speaker 4:Um ended up getting the seat belt off. He ended up jumping across the seat as we're trying to pull him back out the window. Finally, we did end up getting the the car door open. We had to deploy the taser. We finally were able to swing him out into the garage and, leo, we sent him out of the car. We ended up falling out in the driveway and we were wrestling with them in the grass and, uh, we finally ended up getting the handcuffs on. And as soon as we got that second handcuff on, there was a marshall car coming from this way, a van coming from this way and six agents to us right after we got those handcuffs on.
Speaker 4:You boys are a little late yeah yeah, yeah, um, but he was trying everything he could to grab that firearm he was trying everything he could to grab that gun. Um, you know, typically we don't like doing vehicle takedowns. It kind of puts everybody at a more dangerous situation, especially but you don get.
Speaker 2:You don't get to choose how you get them, though. That's the whole thing. You don't get to choose how you get them. You don't get to choose.
Speaker 3:You know anything you have to deal with what you have, the opportunity that you think you've been given and you make a choice.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yes, if it would have been anybody else, we would have sat back, we would have tried to follow the vehicle and we would have tried to get them whenever they stopped at a gas station, something like that. Him, he wouldn't have stopped, and if he would have found out we were behind him, it would have been a high-speed chase and obviously us, as recovery agents, we cannot pursue in a high-speed chase.
Speaker 2:Right, Wow, so did the marshs. You know anybody give?
Speaker 4:you credit after that? Yes, they did actually, and I still have a very good friendship with that U S Marshall in Chicago. We, we talk, we still talk regularly.
Speaker 2:I'm working on. I'm on. I'm working on something right now here in the state and I might need to be giving you a call, I need to give him a holler.
Speaker 4:Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2:I'll do that.
Speaker 4:Anytime.
Speaker 2:Man Kenny. Thanks man. That was awesome man. Hopefully Good story. Hopefully you got many more. That's a good payday too, but then again nobody understands this too. They think it's like, oh wow, you make all this money.
Speaker 4:But how much time did you actually put into it exactly? I mean, we were 40 plus hours a week on him alone he would break off occasionally to go, you know, arrest another one that we had, but we were right back on him yeah um, all of our focus was on that.
Speaker 4:And again it was 34 days and there was times where we were out all night, yeah, and then we would swap agents and they would be out all day. It was a lot of time and effort put into that one. And you know, again they were offering silent witness rewards. I think at one point it got up to $10,000 was what they were offering for the public's help. And everything we do is taxpayer free. You know, it was just the little recovery agents or bounty hunters that taxpayer-free. You know, it was just the little recovery agents or bounty hunters that you know. And you can imagine sending marshals from Chicago and then getting all these agencies involved how much that costs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's taxpayer money too. Now.
Speaker 3:That part's taxpayer yeah.
Speaker 2:When you actually got them all. You know all your time, all your hours, that, and you know the surety company that's paying you the bondsman that's paying you all your time, all your hours, that. And you know the surety company that's paying you the bondsman that's paying you all that's private money that's not coming from the taxpayer, yeah and I think that's a lot of people don't understand that. So, uh, we appreciate you, kenny, out there doing doing the yy west thing out there in phoenix hey, kenny, I'm just curious your forfeitures that are out there in arizona.
Speaker 3:Where does your forfeiture money go?
Speaker 4:well, there's been a lot of talk about that and they're still trying to find out where that forfeiture money goes.
Speaker 2:Uh, just like everything else.
Speaker 4:Huh, yeah, I will say that, uh, there's been a couple of uh attorneys who have mentioned that it does possibly go to judge's retirement, but, um, I can't confirm it. I can't confirm it, but we do not know where that tax pay. We don't know where it goes to here in.
Speaker 3:North Carolina. We know where our forfeiture money goes. I mean, after the school board attorney that we go up against, they get their fee. Uh, the rest of the money goes to our school systems and the county in which the case resides, which I think is a great thing, absolutely so, you know, that's one of the smarter things. I'm just curious you know, from state to state I like to hear where the forfeiture money goes, but that's crazy. If that's, you know your state's doing that.
Speaker 4:We're not aware of where it goes.
Speaker 3:You need to ask around and figure that out because that's newsworthy. You need to. You know the public if you're going to have value. You know for what you do. I mean, we know you do, but you know as far as the public's concerned. They would like to know where that forfeiture money goes. You know, absolutely so.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's not something that's public here in Arizona I'm glad that it is for you guys though that's awesome.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, a lot of people here don't know it. They just see Monsman as bad things, that people shake down people for money and you know whatever. But you know that's where it all goes.
Speaker 4:If we can't perform, you know that's what we do, and it makes you feel a little bit better knowing that your money goes to a good spot Absolutely. Knowing that your money goes to a good spot Absolutely.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, I will say for this state. I think they've done it right when it comes to that.
Speaker 2:But it's just interesting to hear different states where it goes Well cool. Kenny, thank you for coming on. This has been awesome, man.
Speaker 3:I appreciate it. Yeah, man, we've been trying to do it for a while, man. Sorry, we've been kind of Well.
Speaker 2:Well, it's hard, it's hard to do it. He's three hours behind us, so it's currently it's like 1250 here. What was it? Was it 950 there?
Speaker 4:950 here yeah.
Speaker 2:So I mean you're, I mean yeah, I know you're just still waking up, we're always busy.
Speaker 4:You guys are off doing something. We're out of state.
Speaker 2:We're, yeah, we're all busy, but I'm glad I'm was able to work. Yeah, well, kenny, thank you. Story needs to be told, kenny, thank you for being on. Um, love to love to see you again shortly, hopefully here montana, but uh, if not, we'll definitely we'll get back out with you thank you guys very much all right, buddy.
Speaker 3:Kenny, it's good to see you, buddy thank you bye all right, that was pretty cool.
Speaker 2:Uh getting him, uh, getting him on. Finally, I know it's definitely a hard thing to do with being so far away. Let me open this back up Boom Alright, alright, cool Alright. So, man, that was good.
Speaker 2:So that was the story other bondsmen out there listening, bounty hunter bondsman, whatever you know, hit us up love to have your story man, I like, I like hearing different, different things and, like you know, the the aspect of where the money goes, you know, I think that's important people and another thing how, how it works, and bounty hunting in different areas of the us, because it works different here versus back in phoenix and california, which we all know about that.
Speaker 3:Uh, las vegas, you know, it all works totally different yeah, yeah, it's like every state you enter, it's like going to a different country almost yeah and trying to figure it out. Um, and then you, the states that don't even allow us. That's a whole nother animal, you know. It's like a little safe haven for criminals to go to Right Kentucky one. Well, you wouldn't think.
Speaker 2:Illinois.
Speaker 3:Oregon.
Speaker 2:Wisconsin, oregon, yep. Can't go into them because they think we're going to be kidnapping somebody.
Speaker 3:But sometimes they'll let you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sometimes they'll let you. We don't even talk about that I don't want to talk about that All right.
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