Off The Hook
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Off The Hook
How Skip Tracing Found a Mother on the Run
When a desperate father loses contact with his young daughter, he turns to private investigation to locate his ex-wife who has vanished across state lines. What follows is an extraordinary month-long hunt spanning from Jacksonville to Mississippi to California, showcasing the art of modern skip tracing at its finest.
Rob shares the intricate details of tracking "Tina the Trainer" – a personal trainer who obtained a Domestic Violence Protective Order against her ex-husband, then disappeared just before it expired. Through methodical investigation at local gyms and nutrition shops, innovative use of license plate recognition technology, and collaboration with investigators across multiple states, the team gradually closes in on their elusive target.
The investigation reveals a pattern of deliberate evasion: changing license plates, crossing state lines, and attempting to start fresh on the opposite coast. Even with sophisticated tracking methods, finding someone who doesn't want to be found requires patience, persistence, and sometimes a bit of luck – like when a Mississippi investigator happened to recognize the subject from a local cookout.
The case culminates in a brilliantly executed service of papers by an investigator disguised as an Amazon delivery driver – captured on video and delivering not just legal documents but potentially life-changing consequences. With a court order now requiring her to return to North Carolina with the child or face criminal charges, the stakes couldn't be higher.
Beyond the fascinating investigative tactics, this story highlights the human cost of parental alienation and the lengths to which some will go to prevent a child from having a relationship with both parents. It's a powerful reminder of why this work matters.
Have you ever wondered what happens when someone tries to disappear? What electronic footprints they leave behind? Listen to this episode for a rare glimpse into the world of professional skip tracing and how modern technology combines with old-school detective work to find those who don't want to be found.
When people are released from jail, they have the responsibility to appear in court, but some of these people choose to go on the run. They go back home to mommy, and that is when these guys come into the picture. So sit back and listen to the Off the Hook podcast with Chad and Rob Very fine people on both sides. These are real stories, but the names have been changed.
Speaker 2:What's going on, guys? I'm Rob, I'm Chad. What's up? What's happening with you? Chad man, How's your weekend?
Speaker 3:It's good. I spent most of it on my daughter's birthday stuff. Oh yeah, I did zip lines with her and a bunch of other little girls going through the freeze. Oh yeah, that was fun.
Speaker 2:How was that? How was that with having all them damn girls around?
Speaker 3:I was ready to get away by the end of the day.
Speaker 2:You need some more testosterone by the end of the day.
Speaker 2:You need some more testosterone we had a men's club thing at the clubhouse so it had like cars and beer and food, cars, beer and food that's always a good, I got back to my happy place, alright man, I've just been working in the yard pressure washing, getting all the pollen off and redoing the flower beds and all that good stuff that's. That's nothing exciting, but it's getting done. I did finally get in my pool. It was. It was nice. So, um man, at last week we had Alex Price on the show.
Speaker 3:Yeah, mr Price was interesting to interview. Um, he had a good time too. He had emailed me and talked about how, how he really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we didn't get.
Speaker 3:we didn't do the typical questions with him. Apparently, I didn't know just what we do, I mean. I was like we're going to skip into it, cause we know exactly what you do, and yeah, we're not gonna bore you with the uh, the little stuff he did.
Speaker 2:You know he's he shared. I've gotten some good uh comments and remarks off that. So yeah, it went pretty good. That was something different. We're glad and uh, hopefully next week, uh, or or the following week after one or two, we're gonna have uh an attorney on on a criminal defense attorney.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so, like I said, the premise is this whole show is not just what we do as bondsmen bounty hunter but a lot of stuff that's related related things, private investigator, and then you know anybody that has anything to do with the, the neighborhood of of what we do, right, you know?
Speaker 2:so it plus, it kind of gives you guys at home yeah, Gives you some you know stuff. If something happens to you or your family or friend or whatever, if you get a little bit of advice from us, you know, hold on, let me call them guys.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they might be able to help Some insight that you may not hear. You know about things. Right, so, that, right. So that's that's the point, man, all right. So did you see um rfk going to town? I did not. All I've heard is you know he's he's did get like five, or six.
Speaker 2:He's pushing, and he's pushing it for to do fast, to fast track it, to get this crap out of our food. Because how come we can? Yeah, how come we have a?
Speaker 3:big obesity rate. Well, I heard it put best was um. We spend the most on medication. Just look at your channel at night or anytime, and how many? Drug commercials are on our on our tv. It used not to be that way, but we we spend the most to medicate and we're the sickest, most obese group on the planet yeah, so what I mean? It was so it's.
Speaker 2:It's got to come from our food it's got to be I, I finally, I think I, you know, I think I finally got a good eating habit now. You know I did. I did the carnivore for a little while, but I didn't. Then I went to keto.
Speaker 3:I added in yeah, I think that's the natural progression of people with uh carnivores, kind of a cutivore type.
Speaker 2:Yeah, way of eating and it and it doesn't upset my tummy or anything like that. So it's been. It's been working kind of nice oh crap, oh well happens.
Speaker 3:Missed calls, yeah, um so um. But yeah, that with the food, yeah, for a while I, you know, kind of slid back a little bit, but I'm still mainly cutivore-ish myself.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I feel my best on strict carnivore Right yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, summer's coming up, we're going to have to get our summer bodies, man, the best I can anyway. How about that one? All right, and another thing I also wanted to clarify for everybody at home about fake news, Because it is fake as can be. I got on, you know, get on social media and see these ads from all these news outlets, journalists or whatever, and they're talking about? They're screaming about due process for illegal immigrants. Well, there's no due process for an illegal immigrant, Just kind of FYI there. It only pertains to US citizens. This due process. You're here illegally. You came into the country illegally. Our taxpayer dollars is not going to pay for your legal fees.
Speaker 3:That's just common sense. But apparently a lot of the United States is lacking common sense. Well, evidently Well.
Speaker 2:I won't say most of it, because most of America voted Well, yeah.
Speaker 3:We'll say, yeah, a certain group of people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but the media Now, yeah, we'll say yeah, a certain group of people yeah, but the media.
Speaker 3:Now they're book smart.
Speaker 2:But the media is trying to push this narrative to get everybody to think, oh, you know, and they're not even attorneys, they're just, you know, just throwing shit out there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you can look at any of your social media TikTok, and there's a lot of experts.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Out there on topics.
Speaker 3:Everybody's just got their two cents. They want to throw in and want to convince other people that their way is right. It's horrible, man. I chalk this up to social media making people extra riled up over topics.
Speaker 2:I think the majority of America is figuring it out now?
Speaker 3:I hope so. Yeah, but still, you know where you get your news. You know, do you get it from Facebook, tiktok.
Speaker 1:Do you get it from?
Speaker 3:CNN? Do you get it from Fox, right? You know you got to go somewhere to get your news. Yep, and that's where they build their following.
Speaker 2:Well, I'll be glad when, like Trump's doing a good job, he's getting it done.
Speaker 3:He's what I signed up for so far, yep.
Speaker 2:He's done everything that he I mean hell, he ran on this stuff. Guys Like you're complaining about stuff he said he was going to do the whole chicken egg thing that was.
Speaker 3:Biden Killed a whole bunch of chickens. It takes a while to grow them. Okay, we're getting back. If you hadn't noticed, egg prices are dropping.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, he's only been in office for what? Just a few months, yeah.
Speaker 3:but what they do, they go. Well, he said that he was going to do that immediately. Well, he can't grow a chicken any faster. He's not God.
Speaker 1:All right, you know he can't grow a chicken any faster than they normally do?
Speaker 3:Let me go shit an egg for you, come on, I mean within reason. You know, right, but he does, you know he is the greatest, and blah, blah, blah. You know he does do all that, so I'll give you all that. He needs to dial it back. A little humble would be good for the Trumpster, yeah, but it'll never happen. But get what you take.
Speaker 2:I mean hell, at least this guy's vertical and can walk and stay awake and do things. I'm just glad. You know it's weird. You know his second term is a lot different than his first time. You can tell yeah, and I'm happy with the second term?
Speaker 3:well, sure, yeah, he went on recommendations for his cabinet the first time yeah, and then he kind of now he's like okay, I want you. You, you've already been screened.
Speaker 2:You know pretty much and how about these judges getting arrested, bro?
Speaker 3:oh, I did see that. Yes, real good move guys.
Speaker 2:Yeah, don't hide illegal immigrants.
Speaker 3:That's a federal law I mean, that's just the way it works. They're above the law, I guess.
Speaker 2:Well, nobody's above the law. That's what Pam Bondi said.
Speaker 3:And she's a bad woman. She is pretty tough. I wish she would dial it back on her appearances on TV. She seems to want to be a TV star a little bit. A bit too much for the position yeah, okay, but fair enough I like her I mean I'm gonna shoot it straight, but you know, either way, that I see it right. Um, I mean she is tough, but you know she also promised. Um, the epstein list finally came out. Oh, did it? Yes, I saw.
Speaker 2:I saw a list of who's up there playing with little boys?
Speaker 3:oh well, it's not as easy as saying that everybody on this list is the ones that are going to be carted off into prison you know, so I have to wait. But yeah, I saw a list. I think it's the Craig Lee.
Speaker 1:I don't know who knows.
Speaker 3:Damn. Who knows what you see. I know, right, you know, but I imagine it will make news somewhere, possibly.
Speaker 2:Well, we'll see.
Speaker 3:If you don't see it on cnn, turn over to fox, you might see it there all right now.
Speaker 2:So today, uh, story's a little different. We didn't capture this person. It's a, it's a pi case, a pi case. Yeah, that's a skip tracing case, something that uh, uh, that I did and, uh, it just got done yesterday, by the way. So, uh, I've been I've been telling chad about this and chad was like, man, this is gonna be a great story. I'm like, yeah, no, this is gonna be great how we found her, and hold on yeah, we spent a little time.
Speaker 3:I got to help you a little bit on the social media side of looking, which you know. You can't have enough eyes when it goes to that. You, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so all right. Oh, hold on. We got to get into the story time and here we go. All right, that's it. That's it. We don't want to get struck, I don't want riff raff coming out.
Speaker 3:Yeah't want to get struck, don't want riff-raff coming out yeah we don't want that. Come on, riff, you'd like us?
Speaker 2:So this story here. I got a phone call from an individual that was referred to me by their attorney. Their attorney is a good friend of mine, andy Snow, andrew Snow, up in Jacksonville. Okay, and attorney, their attorney is a good friend of mine, andy Snow, andrew Snow, up in Jacksonville. He calls me and he's like he tells me a short story. Make a long story short real quick, too late, keep going. The client him and his wife, separated. He wanted a divorce. I'm not going into details why. And they had a little girl together. That's like a little over a year old at the time when they separated. Well, when they separated she's living in her apartment. Well, she calls before I get.
Speaker 3:Spit it out man, spit it out, dude. He calls me.
Speaker 2:People are waiting About a month ago and says hey look before I go there, before I get out, dude, he calls me. People are waiting. About a month ago it says, hey, look, I need some help, I'm finding her. I can't find her, yeah, and I don't know where my daughter's at and I need to. You know I can need to serve her with papers. I said, okay, we'll, we'll, we'll work on it. So my investigation starts in Jacksonville. I look into her a little bit, you know. I ask the client you know what she'd like to do? What's the schedule like for the kid? Do you know? You know like little details that would kind of help me in the investigation, right?
Speaker 3:Any little thing that you know Right.
Speaker 2:And one little piece of information has led me to yesterday too, so that that's very important that you write everything down and listen. So I go up to Jacksonville and she's a personal trainer, Okay, and she likes to um be at a gym or our nutrition store or whatever.
Speaker 1:So I know the type Yep.
Speaker 2:Yep, um, so I, I know the type Yep, yep, um, so I I pull their information, I look it up and I see her address is all wrong on it and I'm like, yeah, it's. You know, I'm gonna have to put some feet on the ground, go up there. Uh, address as a gym rat, I go into the gym that she used to work at and I was just interested in the gym. Blah, blah, blah. You know they had no idea who I was. Right, they're trying to sell you a membership.
Speaker 2:And I was like, yeah, well, I got a friend of mine that's on my social media, that's a personal trainer and she does some good. You know, she gives some good advice on there. Does she still work here? And they were like like, oh, who it is? I said, uh, well, her name was I don't know. I can't say I'm not gonna say her name tina, let's say you know tina, tina the trainer, tina the trainer, yep.
Speaker 2:So uh, they're like no, she ain't worked here in in months. It's been a while. I like I don't know where she's at. I'm like all right, cool, and so I dropped it and I just kept on talking about the membership.
Speaker 3:So that one's crossed off the list.
Speaker 2:I did that on a few gyms up there and I got so many free.
Speaker 1:Here's a free month.
Speaker 2:I got so many of them. So I noticed that Tina does post a lot for a place that's a nutrition place I'm not going to say the name in.
Speaker 3:Jacksonville. So she either works there or got a sponsorship Exactly.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 2:So I go there and I walk in and I start asking about supplements and and stuff like that. You're trying to get conversation going. Real nice lady. I wish I could say the name, but I'm not going to. Uh, real nice lady. She got talking to me, then I started bringing.
Speaker 2:I was like, yeah, I got a friend of mine. She, um, she advertises for you guys a lot up here. Um, so did she get any like, does she work here? Does she get like any? You know, kickbacks if I buy something from here. Whatever. I'd like to help her out because she's given me some good advice. No, no, no, she ain't been around in a while. She's not around. She's not living here at the moment, she's living out of town. I was like, okay, cool, that kind of. And so I dropped it and kept on talking and they gave me a free T-shirt, okay, and I walk out. I and they gave me a free t-shirt, okay, and I walk out. I got all this free shit in my trunk. I'm like, all right, I can work in the yard in this shirt, right? So the client told me that his ex was seen at Sneed's Ferry not too long ago. I was like, all right, let me go down to Sneed's Ferry just to check things out.
Speaker 3:For those of you who don't know Sneeds Ferry is right outside of Jacksonville, one of our military bases.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's right between Holly Ridge and it's right on the coast. Yeah, so I go to Sneeds Ferry and there's not much in Sneeds Ferry. I was told that she likes coffee shops and nutrition shops. Well, guess what? There's a nutrition coffee shop in Sneeds Ferry Bingo.
Speaker 3:It's got everything, got everything. I wouldn't go there.
Speaker 2:I'd go in there. It's like a military-type style coffee shop. Pretty cool place. You got to check it out one day. So I go in there and I don't even fake it this time. I'm like, all right, I don't think she's here. All right, I don't think she's here. So I'm just going to talk to the girl at the desk. I'm like, hey, I tell her. I said, look, I'm a private investigator, I'm here trying to get some information on a person you may know. And of course they were young and one of them's boyfriend was there. They were all curious, right? So I'd show them.
Speaker 2:And she goes. I'm friends with her on instagram. I was like, oh, can we take a look at your instagram account? Absolutely. So we go set table and I'm like I got my folders spread out, I'm taking notes, the lord and I'm taking pictures of reels that she's doing. She's in the same gym, it's the same, and she just had posted them and so I'm taking pictures of this so I can refer back. So I go back to my home office. After I leave there, I look into her vehicle.
Speaker 3:Okay, so you find a vehicle.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I find out what vehicle she's driving Got a make and model, got a make model license plate and I didn't notice this until a little bit later and we'll get to it. But so she had a North Carolina tag and she had, you know, and I ran it through our system.
Speaker 3:This is the system that we have, that basically there are trucks that will ride through parking lots that have built-in cameras into the grill. I like tow trucks and what they do is they take pictures of plates. What they're getting is information, so it's a date, time, location, address of of where that car was spotted on that date and it compiles that information so if plate's seen again in another location or the same wherever, it gets another date. So it gives you a general idea of where a person is at, so you can start looking in a particular state city. That's how we found a guy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, One time actually Got a burrow.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he worked in Chick-fil-A. Yeah, we were his demand. We thought he was just eating lunch he was cooking, lord kept showing up at this address he was cooking lord's chicken man. Yeah I had drugs on him too, remember. Yeah, yeah, pull him out, yeah all right.
Speaker 2:so I ran a license plate and I noticed that when I was doing all. I noticed that it expired at the end of January of this year. It expired, okay. So when I ran a license plate it's been sent three times I said, all right, pull it. So I pull it.
Speaker 3:All in the same state.
Speaker 2:And no. So I look at the first one. It shows it in an apartment complex in Jacksonville back in late October. All right, so come to find out. I called the client. I'm like, hey, does she live at these apartments? She goes, yes, it's the apartments we had that I moved out of. I was like, okay, cool. So I know that's. You know, boom, that's where it's at. The next one I saw was like mid-November. It was down in South Carolina at a gas station. I was like why is this down in South Carolina at a gas station? You know, you're trying to figure it out. And then the third one that's been seen at was at a gym in Mississippi. Guess who lives in Mississippi?
Speaker 3:Her grandparents. Oh, okay, I was going to say some relative, boyfriend, right, she's in a small town Meridian, all right.
Speaker 2:So I'm looking at this. I'm like all right, but her tags are expired. You know why hasn't she gotten stopped or whatever? Well, I went and looked back and saw where she got a new license plate. She got a Mississippi tag In Mississippi.
Speaker 2:Ah so I was like, okay, I see what she's doing here, she's down there. So I contacted Klein. I'm like, hey, look, I think I found her where she's at. I think she went back to her grandparents' house down in Meridian and he said, okay. I said what I'm going to do is I'm going to contact an investigator that I know down there and get him to go look at some stuff. Okay, cool. So I call Mr Barry down in Mississippi. He lives right in there. It's a small little town, meridian, so it's a small little town, meridian. So I call him. I'm sitting there talking to him and he get, and he stopped, he goes. Hey, man, stop, is she a personal trainer? Works out, we're good, good looking girl.
Speaker 3:Like yeah apparently she sticks out in this, this area yeah, dark, he goes.
Speaker 2:Dark hair tattoo. I was like, yeah, he goes. What's her name? I said and I told her told him tina, and he goes. I know exactly who you're talking about. She was at a cookout that I was out two weeks ago. I was like you're kidding me. He's like, yeah, he goes.
Speaker 3:Everybody was wondering who this new girl was and just showed up in town is in shape, shows in shape, yeah it shows up in town and I said, all right, cool.
Speaker 2:I said let's get on the ball, let's find her. I said I know she's at. I know she goes to this gym because I took the pictures that I took. It's needs very often Instagram and matched them up with the gym pictures online. Oh, the inside of the club inside of the club and matched them up and I knew it, that was her Right.
Speaker 3:So that was the last time that north carolina plate was seen, so she's chasing the mississippi now I'm chasing the mississippi plate.
Speaker 2:Well, he dude, he goes to every, he makes phone calls, all his friends, and he goes to every gym, goes, goes everywhere. Could not find this girl, the nowhere. She just like poof, disappeared, disappeared again. And she doesn't know who I'm looking for Right. She doesn't even know who I am today.
Speaker 3:Did you say what this was all over?
Speaker 2:It's over child custody. So what she did before she left? She got a DVPO order against him. Explain that Through the Marine Corps. That's Domestic Violence Protective Order. Okay, she accused him of hitting her when they wanted a divorce. Okay, and this is one of them. Like she's a walking red flag. People Don't be like, oh, I can go, that's a whole other story. So she knew what she was doing. So I found out she'd left Jacksonville because she knew her DVPO order was coming up. Left Jacksonville. She was getting child support through the Corps Marine Corps that was given to her. She left and went to Mississippi. Now she's down there. My guy, mr Berry, can't find her. He's like dude, I think she's gone. I was like how the fuck did she leave, why? I'm like dude, I think she's gone. I was like how the fuck did she leave, why? I'm like she ain't got nowhere to go. And so it kind of came to a standstill. So I got her new Mississippi plate being monitored through the system, if it's been seen anywhere it'll alert me and let me know.
Speaker 3:Okay, so you're searching across the United States.
Speaker 2:I'm searching across the entire.
Speaker 3:United States Okay yeah.
Speaker 2:So the client calls me about a week later and goes hey man, she gave me an address to send something last year when I knew she was here. Look into it for me.
Speaker 3:I'm like alright cool, I'll look into it. I wish I would have had this information earlier.
Speaker 2:He gives me his address. It's right outside of Riverside, which is not far from LA, california, california, california.
Speaker 3:I called a buddy of mine, Mr Alan Horner.
Speaker 2:Alan? What's up Alan? What's up buddy? Thank you very much. You've been awesome. You're killing it out there in.
Speaker 3:California. We watch you every day.
Speaker 2:He's a bondsman and private investigator. Yeah, he's everything. Yeah. So I called him. I go, hey, man. I said will you do me a favor? I said how far is his address from? He said, man, it's 30 minutes and I'm working a case in San Diego right now. He goes. I'll swing by, man, just to see if the car is there for you. I said, okay, cool. Well, he goes by the house and lo and behold, and lo and behold, he sent me a picture of Mississippi tag on this certain vehicle.
Speaker 2:Now, man, that's a great feeling.
Speaker 3:It is a great feeling. She drove all the way from Mississippi. Because you don't feel no more comfortable than being across the country with a different tag. She is comfy.
Speaker 2:Well, here's how we found out that she was in California. Tag right, she is comfy. Well, here's how. Here's how we found out that she was in california. The client calls the cops down in meridian mississippi and wants to do a wellness check okay they go by grandparents house and grandpa. You know he don't like got a dog in the fight, he's like man. She got mad at us, packed her crap crap up and left and went to California.
Speaker 3:Boyfriend.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So my client was like hey, calls and tells me this, he goes go check out and look at that address. I'm like, okay, Well, this dude that she's shacking up with is in the Marine Corps out there. So you get what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I get what you're throwing down.
Speaker 2:There you go All right so now here comes the hard part. We spent all week trying to pin her down there in California. I said, okay, alan. I said go ahead and start doing surveillance, do what you got to do, get this paperwork to her, cool. So we? Alan goes, sits out there, her car doesn't move, she's not going to come to the door. We know that for a fact. She's avoided multiple times. So they're sitting watching for you know, a few hours at a time when you got to dress up like the flower guy.
Speaker 3:Well, I'm getting there too.
Speaker 2:Delivery. Yeah, all right. So we're, they're watching it, it they. They pull off because you know we're not trying to milk, you know you don't. You put a whole lot of hours in this. That can be a big deal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah so I'm like hey, just you know, spot, check it, you know and and see it whatever you need to do. But the other time she's never, and it's a big place, so they'd be in and out all week looking for her. They see her car stop, it's getting late, she ain't doing nothing so they leave. This past Saturday she's not been seen for a couple days at that address and Alan was like man. I said what's the game plan? He said we're going to try one more day. I said okay. I said cool, so about 2 o'clock California time yesterday. So it's what? 3, 4, 5? It's 5 o'clock here, 5 o'clock here. I'm sitting there at the table watching a buddy of mine. They're playing with his band and I get a text from Alan and it's a video of them serving her. Oh yes, she's in the back seat like doing something with a car seat, whatever Dude comes walking up as an Amazon guy.
Speaker 2:He's got a vest on. Good one, good one, guys, he's got a vest on and he's got an Amazon box and everything.
Speaker 1:He goes.
Speaker 2:hey, tina, and she goes yeah. He goes you have been served, ma'am. Now here's the kicker, because she's avoided service and took off like she has and all the evidence I've got showing her going to California with everything. The judge signed a motion for her to show up and bring the child on the 30th to North Carolina. Now we're getting toward criminal if she don't comply If she doesn't show up, she will get an arrest warrant put out for her. It's going to get nasty for her.
Speaker 3:She'll be able to. This will be interesting to see if she complies.
Speaker 2:Yes, this is a stay tuned.
Speaker 3:There's more to come.
Speaker 2:Yes, stay tuned, because if she does show up, of course I have to go to court and I'm gonna have to testify um about what I, you know, found. But I think that that, right there in itself, is just just like a bounty case almost yeah, except you're not, you know, you know how to actually physically putting hands on somebody.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah but it just shows you how much work goes into something like this and it just shows you how women nowadays not all women, I'm not saying all women, but majority of women are like that get a DVPO order because they're the first ones to call and then she knows that the dad can't have any contact with the children, can't see them, and then they're just kind of let on and she's still getting child support out of them. So she's like I got you. I mean it's horrible. Why would you take a parent away from their child? It happens all the time and I'm just glad that we can see something nowadays like this happen to where justice is actually going to be served.
Speaker 3:Yeah that's that's. We're gonna have to have a follow-up story on this. Yeah, man, I'm ready, I'll let you know next, I'll let you guys know next week what happens yeah, yeah, whatever story we're telling, we're, we'll do an additional, yeah, portion of this, um see what happened, because that's, that's cool stuff yeah, man, I tell you what that was.
Speaker 2:it was frustrating cause it it lasted a month. Just didn't figure it. It just lasted a month Cause you're trying to figure out things. You know you're not trying to waste the client's time, neither Cause you're billing it for an hour.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I spent this much hours on this and you know this is what I'm doing.
Speaker 2:I'm not just running around taking your money and the whole time, like last week when we're doing surveillance every day I was giving them updates. Hey look, they did surveillance today. Nothing's come out. I'm like I'm just letting you know just kind of you know, so you won't be surprised when you know yeah.
Speaker 2:Just it's transparency, man. Just you gotta be straight up with your clients. You can't. You can't lie to them, you can't feed them a lot of bullshit. It doesn't work out great for you in the end but well, cool stuff, man, good job.
Speaker 3:Yeah, man, it's good job Alan. Yes, alan, thank you again very much, and, uh, alan, thank you again very much and I'll make sure you know that we gave you big ups for this one, alan. We're still ready for that portion in the show, dude. You know that was like the one that we lost.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I know right, you know just saying man.
Speaker 2:We got to add to that, absolutely, anyway. Well, that's the story of Tina the body uh, the the trainer, tina, the trainer trainer. Yeah, that works tina the trainer yeah man, you're, man, you're she did. I wish I could show you guys the video, but it's so funny. She was like, oh he was hilarious.
Speaker 3:Didn't see that one coming, did you?
Speaker 2:she did not, I she. She even scraped the stickers off the back of her window. Uh yeah, To identify her car, to not identify her car. But what she did, was she the dumbest thing she did because she was in the Marine Corps, but she got kicked out? Is the new Mississippi license plate had a big Marine Corps stamp on it? Oh really.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like I'm like well, oh really yeah, I'm like well, you just gave yourself away dim-dum, dim-dum.
Speaker 3:Is that like a special plate?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a special plate. Yeah, yeah, she's special.
Speaker 3:I mean, I guess she thought there were others like it?
Speaker 2:What kind of car was?
Speaker 3:it.
Speaker 2:It's a SUV a white SUV. Okay, but it's kind of Fairly common right. I'm not going to say the make and model but, the make and model is a little different than a normal white SUV.
Speaker 3:Still white SUV, but you can recognize it yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh well.
Speaker 3:Well, wasn't enough to go and see the client's happy.
Speaker 2:The client was so excited. He's like I'm calling to tell my parents thank you so much. You've helped me out, so much you're going to help me get to see my child a nice google rating would would yeah, I know right, that would go a little long.
Speaker 3:Speaking of, that you know. You guys want to go on google and do an off the hook.
Speaker 2:Yeah we love them.
Speaker 3:Go to off the hook and I google us and uh, yes, check us out, say you. You know you like the show or something also I have. Now I can say I have my website for the off the hook gear. Yes, so, um, you can check us out and see what all we've got to offer on that. It's off the hook gear dot shop and I'm still messing with the site, but there is pictures of everything up there. See, anything you like, we can ship it to you.
Speaker 2:Go up there. I'm proud of you, chad, for doing this. Man, this is awesome. I've been watching you over there like scratching your head, oh, trying to do this About to throw the computer out the front door.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm still frustrated about something you know I'm focusing on right now, but I've gotten it little by little. But, yeah, you can navigate through. It's not the best site. I've seen much better, in my opinion. I'm very critical, but everything's on there and anything you want, or send us a message on there, I'll get it to you right Right on. Yeah, beautiful shirts hats.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, we had a sale at the clubhouse, um like, uh, they have like two vendors from the neighborhood we were. We were chosen and I was only there for two hours and I sold like over $700 worth of stuff shirts, hats and like people are liking it.
Speaker 2:So I like it, I've got, I like it.
Speaker 3:I've got, I got like.
Speaker 2:I got a few shirts and you had to those two back. Yes.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I guess yeah. So this is, this is actually a warning.
Speaker 3:This is an old one I had made, like years ago. Oh, that was one of our uh, I wear, I wear that to the gym. That was like a refusal to recover. Yeah, man, those um, not my everyday thing. You know, once you go to the gym a few times in the shirt, it's never the same. Oh really, yeah, it's good if you sweat. You know you can't ever completely get it out. I wouldn't like wear it out in public, I just it becomes a gym shirt.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, gotcha anyway, like my yard working shirt yeah, same same, same same thing, same yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, guys, we thank you for tuning in. If you like what you hear, you can check us out on YouTube, off the hook belt belt bonding podcast. If you like what you see and you want to hear us and you're in vehicle, want to ride around, look us up. We're on Apple podcast, spotify, all the major ones. But until then, I'm rob, I'm chad, and we'll talk to you later you've been listening to off the hook with chad and rob.
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