Off The Hook
We are a group of private investigators, bounty hunters / fugitive recovery agents, and bail bondsmen that have been in this line of work for over twenty five years and have many stories to tell. We have traveled all over the country catching fugitives and bringing them back to have their day in court. With our years of experience we are trying to educate the public about bail and why it is a needed part of our judicial system.
Off The Hook
Bounty Hunter Tricks: The Child Support Check Sting
Ever wonder what happens when a fugitive evades capture? Chad and Rob share a masterclass in strategic thinking as they recount how they tracked down a bail jumper using a clever ruse involving a fake child support check. The storytelling is as entertaining as it's educational - complete with a dramatic fence-climbing escape attempt that would make parkour enthusiasts proud!
The ingenious "child support check" trick reveals how recovery agents use psychology rather than force to bring fugitives to justice. Rob's patient surveillance and coordination with local law enforcement showcases the professional side of fugitive recovery that rarely makes headlines. When the injured fugitive eventually emerged from hiding, limping and exhausted, the capture happened without incident - demonstrating that sometimes the most effective approach is simply waiting for human nature to take its course.
Beyond the action-packed chase story, Chad and Rob provide thoughtful commentary on the bail system's importance in ensuring court appearances and providing justice for victims. They respond to listener feedback about political comments from previous episodes, emphasizing their appreciation for diverse viewpoints among their audience while maintaining their perspective.
The episode exemplifies why Off the Hook works as both entertainment and education. Their casual, authentic conversation style makes complex topics accessible, whether discussing tactical approaches for apprehensions or broader systemic issues. Rob's ability to think on his feet - from blocking exit doors to maintaining surveillance - offers listeners a glimpse into the creative problem-solving required in this unique profession.
Ready to hear more unfiltered stories from the world of fugitive recovery? Subscribe, rate, and review Off the Hook wherever you get your podcasts. Check out our YouTube channel to see Chad and Rob in action, and visit www.offthehookbail.com for extra content and updates. Until next time, stay out of trouble, or it might be you who needs to get off the hook!
When people are released from jail, they have the responsibility to appear in court, but some of these people choose to go on the run.
Speaker 2:They go back home to mommy.
Speaker 1:And that is when these guys come into the picture. So sit back and listen to the Off the Hook podcast with chad and rob very fine people on both sides. These are real stories, but the names have been changed what's up everybody?
Speaker 3:what's happening, robert?
Speaker 2:what's happening?
Speaker 3:chad, and this is Roberto.
Speaker 2:Hey, chad, I like that shirt you got on. Yours is pretty nice too, I know right, I wish you could see the back of it.
Speaker 3:You can.
Speaker 2:Yeah, turn around, turn around, let's see. Show these people. Rooster, hold on, let me move your mic. There you go, rooster tails. Hey, some of the new merch coming on.
Speaker 3:man, it's pretty badass, I must say it's for the East Coast anglers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I'm digging it. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 3:Like he came up with his design one day and I was like, man, that's pretty bad, I got some more ideas. I got some more ideas.
Speaker 2:Man, I'm telling you All mine's like fishing ocean-ish related stuff, but you know what I like the most about them also, not just the, design.
Speaker 3:That's why we got the shark coming up. You know I like the colors, man. The colors are nice. It's nice in the summertime, you know to. Because it's here, baby, because we wear a lot of black and gray.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know right.
Speaker 3:All dudes do, it seems like. So yeah, I like to brighten it up a little bit in the summertime.
Speaker 2:And there's hats too.
Speaker 3:Man, I'm telling you oh yeah, I got a bunch of those coming.
Speaker 2:I can't wait, man. Half of my closet is going to be nothing but off-the-hook salty selling gear. So make sure you check it out, Make sure you buy support, you know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'd appreciate it, hey, Thanks man.
Speaker 2:Right on man, all right. So I got something for you. Chad, what's up? All right, so we got a comment on our last video that we did so let me go back and find it.
Speaker 3:Hang on. So this pertains to we kind of were. Like you know, in case y'all haven't learned this by now we kind of lean to the right politically.
Speaker 2:Yes, and believe it or not. There's some things that me and Chad disagree on, but we can all agree though I like to give it a fair shake.
Speaker 3:I want to see it from both sides to see if I'm being unreasonable. Right, you shouldn't just blindly follow a particular group.
Speaker 2:Well, these damn well, all right.
Speaker 3:so before we get into it, the last administration made it too easy right to not.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:That's why we had a huge win this time. Honestly, you guys Democrats, you could regroup and get some sense about you, shave off some of the crazy stuff that you were talking about and you could have a lot better chance.
Speaker 2:We're about to get into that, let me tell you what.
Speaker 3:Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 2:One of our fans. She's a subscriber, she's a listener. Okay, cool and thank you for listening.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we like it.
Speaker 2:I'm going to read it. She goes LOL, this lefty is still listening.
Speaker 3:We're glad you're still listening.
Speaker 2:Your political views don't faze me, but I'm confused as to why you insult the left In quotations. You called us libtards a few episodes ago.
Speaker 3:Why would you want to?
Speaker 2:alienate fully half of your potential audience. Well, your percentage is off. There make no sense to me, but I enjoy your stories. So, uh, sherry is a call by first name. Sherry, thank you for listening for one yeah, sherry, we appreciate it.
Speaker 3:Either side, I mean we, we, uh, we would like for you to you know correct anything that you think that you know we say is incorrect.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, but and then, of course, our friend gina commented after that oh, that was when I was talking about yeah, yeah, so like, actually, that's going to pertain to today's episode.
Speaker 3:yeah, is that old trick? Uh, yeah, so when, when we go to to a place to arrest somebody, a house or something and you're kind of like you don't have enough guys, you know you got to block all exit doors because you know people inside will I mean, I had one chick Actually. Oh God, I meant to tell you about this.
Speaker 2:Okay, hold on, hold on to it. Let's finish it with Sherry here. So okay, so it's not insulting, have y'all have like sherry. Have you seen some of the protests and what they're and how they're acting and screaming? That's not normal. So that's why we call, or we, you say, we insult by saying live towards, look it's meant in love. We hope that you'll get better like people screaming and have no reason why they're calling, like Trump, a fascist and they can't say why alright, let's get this elephant out of the room right now.
Speaker 2:Big old, fat one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so right now, as we speak, these tariffs, people I mean especially the left is going crazy. Listen, Trump is trying something that nobody else did. The last administration wanted. I mean. I've heard him say like we won't listen to billionaires. You're listening to people that are multi-millionaires, that weren't that when they went into office and they get off of a salary of $170,000 a year. So how do you end up with $27, $30 million off of that kind of salary?
Speaker 2:So it's funny you brought that up, Chad.
Speaker 3:Oh, you have all the tariffs I pulled all the tariffs up here.
Speaker 2:Well, yes, the highest one right now that I can see, sitting at 93%, is Madagascar. I don't know what the hell we get from Madagascar, but man, they're charging the shit out of us. But we're charging them 47% and I can guarantee you we're buying more from them than they are us.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, we would, we would think so yeah, but you know we don't know exactly what all we're trading here, but in your source, make sure that you're yeah, it's LPL financial.
Speaker 2:It's the same this is not a.
Speaker 3:This is not a right or left leaning thing.
Speaker 2:This is this is just something to come out by them and this is the one that that trump was hat, that had in his hand, and god, all right, liberals don't say, oh, he's a lot, it's a lot. No, well, just look. I mean, just look, just, we're going off of this. Okay, so china, 67 is what they charge us and we only charge them 34, and lpl financial is trying to sell me something now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, lpl financial is the source, if you want to look it up um, let's see lplcom.
Speaker 2:so vietnam, 90 is what they charge us and we charge them 46 I know that a lot of clothing is vietnam made yeah, um, here's south korea, 50 percent.
Speaker 3:Uh, they charge us and we charge them 25 so, okay, everybody can't see this chart, but let's just give us a. Uh, what is a summary like? What would you? How many are on here, would you guess?
Speaker 2:oh, there's probably 40 up here yeah, it looks like between 40 and yeah, somewhere between 40 and 50 somewhere in there but I see a lot that are still like like 10% of them and 10% of us, which is reciprocal.
Speaker 3:Interesting. I just heard that uh 50 countries. It's funny, it almost matches this number. Um are in negotiations with him, uh, with Trump.
Speaker 2:Well, this is how. This is how you make a deal, saying hey, you know what? You don't want to work with us, so we're just going to slap you with a tariff.
Speaker 3:All right, so you've still got to win. What they're possibly doing is they're lifting these tariffs off of what's already been in place. So the money that we'll save Correct, yes, 100%. You're now saving that money as opposed to spending it, what we've been doing for God knows how long. Yeah, so that's still money coming back to us that was not being spent, right? Yep? So I mean, you guys are going to have to. You know, the last administration kept taking your money and they love taking your money.
Speaker 2:Hold on the last administration. Let me tell you about their dum-dum here. Okay, joe couldn't even he didn't know which door to walk out of. I'm sure they all Much less do any of this.
Speaker 3:They all know that they were backing a dude that you know couldn't function. You guys got to know that. I just say you focus on the future. You know, don't look at your Cori Bush or whatever his name is. Booker, whatever his name is. You get somebody with some damn sense the guilty ones scream the loudest, correct?
Speaker 2:yes, they do and how much money they've been pocketing like. I really hope they can find out, but it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. So nancy pelosi can get caught inside of trading she can get caught pocketing millions and millions of taxpayers dollars and the liberals will say, well, she deserved it, that one thing she deserved was a fifth of vodka.
Speaker 3:She had that and then some I'm sure, but um, yeah, oh, oh, before I forget, before I forget, um, so I was at my daughter's softball game, I guess it was. I hadn't seen you since Thursday, other than the weekend. But I went to her softball game and I was walking in and I got my chairs and everything walking in and there's this girl in front of me, like skanky looking, and I was like, oh shoot, I knew her. Did you bond her out?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, this is one of the stories we told.
Speaker 3:This is one of the real good stories that we told.
Speaker 2:Really, which one was it?
Speaker 3:It was the one that jumped in the water and I had to jump in after her Really, yeah, up there and chase her across the uh, actually back then.
Speaker 2:So that was the story I told where I made like a fake um pass to the water park.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, yeah, okay, I remember that yeah, and she came and got it and I was in the neighbor's house and I chased her her and her mom was driving and she jumped out of the car yeah so, yeah, I was behind her and, uh, her baby daddy probably, and I guess they had a kid on the other team and uh, we mopped the floor with him. By the way. Um, it was pretty cool, oh and your daughter.
Speaker 2:Tell everybody what your daughter did. Bro, you should be my daughter.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the video is hilarious. It's so hilarious. My daughter got a grand slam, her first one in softball. And what's hilarious is, as she was running the bases, it wasn't out of the park, it went all the way back to the fence. But as she was running, the third base coach said hold up, don't run.
Speaker 3:And she's like I, I'm going so she says, that's my girl and she kept running and she, um, the ball was coming to the catcher and the girl was in the lane and I think my daughter. She started sliding too soon and she crawled, she, crawled, she like literally crawled like several, like it's like nothing stopping me.
Speaker 2:You know it was hilarious video, so anyway good for her man, Good for her she was smiling for that until the next day.
Speaker 3:Uh, still still thinks about that one that's awesome but yeah, anyway, I just thought I was like oh crap okay, you saw this lady at at your daughter's I don't know if she recognized me.
Speaker 2:That's been years ago I mean, how can you not? You're big as a I don't know, she might, she might who knows.
Speaker 3:But I was kind of like carrying chairs and like at my hat, like like tucked down, I was like, oh crap, you can't hide bro well, that's how we were in brooklyn, new york.
Speaker 3:Dude, you were like I'm just gonna stay in the car because he said I stood out in brooklyn, like I remember we went one of those little corner stores, yeah, and um, know, we live at the beach and so all of our sunglasses are like, you know, crazy colors and mirrored sunglasses. Well, that I didn't know, that, I didn't even think about that. And um, we're standing in line and to get something and the lady behind me was tapping me on the shoulder and she's like where are you from? I? And she's like where are you from? I'm like that obvious, stick out, yeah.
Speaker 3:So yeah, I said how do you know, and like she said, your sunglasses and I was like great, even the brooklyn hats that we got.
Speaker 2:Remember those yeah, we got the fat, yeah, I got the you blend better than I do yeah, well, I put, I'm like typical white guy. I didn't shave for like a few days. I had like a holey hoodie on. I had the Brooklyn house.
Speaker 3:You kind of look like you could maybe be Puerto Rican or something. I could have been Puerto Rican, puerto Rican, puerto.
Speaker 2:Rican. So this story here is a story of a capture I did up in Cary, north Carolina, for a guy named Mr Jesse, which he's not a bondsman anymore of a capture I did up in Cary, north Carolina, for a guy named Mr Jesse, which he's not a bondsman anymore.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, jesse Blanks, yeah, jesse Blanks. Old man, old man, jesse.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's a good guy. So I don't know what to call. I'm just going to call her Miss Child Support, miss Child Support, miss Child Support.
Speaker 3:We're going to call her Miss.
Speaker 2:Child Support. All right, so all right. So Mr Jesse gives me oh, hang on, what am I doing here? Hang on, I got a story time, I can tell a story.
Speaker 3:I got too much to tell, all right.
Speaker 2:We got a little bit of that. I don't want to get copyrighted. Yeah right, that's all you get.
Speaker 2:Don't want to get copyrighted. Oh my god, okay. So all right. So miss child support, right? I get this for uh forfeiture from mr jesse. It's a 5 000. It's not a big bond, but it's big enough to hurt your pocket, that's for sure, and it's for like theft and like food stamp fraud. So it kind of goes hand in hand with what's going on right now in the country with a lot of fraud, because I believe she had a couple kids, but she didn't have custody of any of her kids and she was receiving benefits.
Speaker 3:Getting that credit huh.
Speaker 2:Getting that credit through stamps.
Speaker 2:So she didn't have to do nothing, right, alright, so we, I get the case, I'm looking through and I'm getting a bunch of old information, right, and I think you were here that day when I was going through it real hard and I found out that she was getting child support for one child I think she had. So I sit back and I'm kind of looking at chad going hey, chad, I've run this idea by chad and chad said I don't know, it may, it may not work. I said, hey, that's the only thing I got.
Speaker 3:so but what's that idea do?
Speaker 2:I was going to call her, which I did.
Speaker 3:I called her Okay, okay.
Speaker 2:I called her from a different number. I spoofed number and said hey, my name is Frank from North Carolina child support. You know making it sound all legit, right, right? Right, we have a, we have a check here for you. Uh, that was S? O to you, but we to overnighten it to the old address. Right, we tried to overnighten it to the address and it came back. So what would you like for us to do?
Speaker 3:she said well, I don't date it.
Speaker 2:Their database, yeah yeah, I was like she goes. Well, I don't have a car, but you can send it to this address, I'll be there. I said, okay, hold on one second, let me get, let me get this. So I'm typing, you know, making it sound legit. You know, I like gotcha, she gives me the address. I'm like, okay, well, what I'm going to do is I'm going to send this out. It should be at uh to you in a few days. It's like a Friday, I believe, cause I didn't want to go on a weekend.
Speaker 3:You got you in a few days. It's like a Friday, I believe, because I didn't want to go on a weekend.
Speaker 2:You've got to give it a few days, man, so they feel totally at ease. Yeah, make sure you're home because you have to sign for this. Okay, no problem, I'm always at this address. I'm always home. Good to know. Great, thank you for telling me and thank you for choosing North Carolina Child Support for your child support needs.
Speaker 3:I don't think you have a choice.
Speaker 2:No, you don't. I paid that shit for 19 years, Just ended last June, so okay. So the day comes for me to leave up there. I think it was like a Tuesday or Wednesday or whatever, I don't know. It's been a while back ago and so I head up to carry him by myself. Remember that old Dodge Charger?
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, the old car looking car?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it had like rims on it.
Speaker 3:You look pretty legit.
Speaker 2:I know I was pimp, right, so I go up, I start checking the house out. I'm sitting up, I start checking the house out, I'm sitting watching. I don't see nothing going on and I'm like, well, she's got to be there. She doesn't have a car. She says she's always there and she's expecting this child support check to come today. Should be today.
Speaker 3:Should be there.
Speaker 2:Right, right, right. So I took your advice, chad. When I walked up to the house I snuck around the house and I took your advice from the last episode. You know, the old tricycle in the back door I put like a trash can, like a chair, whatever's available.
Speaker 3:Usually, if you've got kids, there's toys in the backyard and you grab whatever. Something's going to be hard if they leave that back door.
Speaker 2:It was an old shotgun house. Oh yeah, it's an old shotgun house. Yeah, I remember I put all this stuff that I come around the front, I sneak around and then I knock on the door. She goes who is it? I'm like it's US Mail. I need something for you to sign. Okay, I'm like I'm waiting for her to open this door. Here's the thing. She's been checking you out. Here's the thing. I think she looked through the peephole, saw me. Do you have a vest on? Yes, I was by myself.
Speaker 3:I got you.
Speaker 2:I'll hear a click Like the little door lock.
Speaker 3:I was uh-huh crap and I'm like can't go in.
Speaker 2:It's third party, it's third party, so I didn't kick door in, right, didn't do it, nope. So I'm sitting there going, okay, well, how am I, what am I gonna do? And they see now here and I hear, oh shit. And I'm like, oh, the old back door. I come running around and I'm on her heels hard bro I'm, I'm almost got her and there's like an eight foot fence in the backyard. God damn, what are you chasing?
Speaker 3:spider-man, I'm telling you, this woman.
Speaker 2:She was like a spider monkey, bro. She climbed up that thing and jumped over it. I was like, oh my god, so here I am I, I get a run start, I jump up and I pull myself up and I'll stop real quick and I was like, oh no, ain't, no way in hell, I'm going down there.
Speaker 3:It was a steep drop off, oh yeah, so she was rolling.
Speaker 2:She was rolling when was, she was rolling and like like ow, ow, ow, I mean she was, she was bad. So I just sat there and watched her and she gets up and she's limping hard. Bro, that that hurt, that fall hurt. I was like she ain't going nowhere, she can't get nowhere, so I go back. So the door was open. So I went through and looked in the house and there was drug paraphernalia.
Speaker 3:There's needles everywhere.
Speaker 2:It was nice, it was nasty. So I'm out front, I call Carrie PD, which you don't know what you're going to get when you call police departments, especially when it's not around here, because you don't know them. You don't know how you're going to get when you call police departments, especially when it's not around here, because you don't know them, you don't know how they feel about bondsmen. Some people are like us, some people don't. You just don't know it's Carrie, so I'm kind of like all right, it's Wake County.
Speaker 1:They might not Kind of borderline there, yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm like, all right, showed her the paperwork Showed what I'm there for, and she was like, oh, all right, we'll get her. I was like, oh, this is awesome, sweet, she likes us, they help, good job. So she goes. All right, I'm going to go. She can't be far, so I'm going to circle around and I'm going to go this way, but I'm going to come back and watch the house because she's limping. She goes all right?
Speaker 3:well, I'm going to put a bolo out at the emergency room.
Speaker 2:So she didn't get hurt that bad. Oh dude, she was limping. Bad, she was hurting. That's why I didn't chase after her anymore, because you know, for one, it was a steep ass hill Right, I wasn't trying to jump down it. And two, she ain't know where to go and she's on foot and she's hurting. So the officer, she's circling everything I look in the neighborhood, didn't see her. I said you know, I'm going to sit back and watch the house, so she didn't see your vehicle.
Speaker 3:No, she went out the back door, remember. Well, yeah, but she peeked out and saw you she just saw me.
Speaker 2:She didn't see the vehicle. The vehicle wasn't in view wasn't in view.
Speaker 3:Sweet, good job so, all right.
Speaker 2:So I'm back up and it's like this cul-de-sac, right, and I'm sitting there and I'm watching the house and I'm on the phone with a cop. She's like I don't see her. I'm like I'm like, all right, I'll call you if I do. Vice versa. I'm sitting there watching and I see some bushes move in front of me and I see this. She was redheaded, so you can see her from my way. She's checking both sides to make sure I'm gone, but she's not in my car. I'm sitting there watching and I'm laughing the whole time. She comes out and she's limping hard and I'm like she's not running.
Speaker 2:I just drove up, I didn't even get out. The damn car Pulled up, rode to the window down. I said, hey, girl, she goes. Yeah. I said you done. She said, yeah, say girl, she goes. Yeah. I said you done. She said, yeah, I'm hurting. I mean, uh, I can't run, no more. I was like, well, come get in the back seat. She came around the car back door, got in, I cuffed her, I called the cop and, uh, she come out. And she took her from me and that was it. So that's Miss Chalicemore. I tricked her with a Chalicemore trick. Nice, good job, oh man, but man, that's just like one. That's just so many stories of tricking people. It's fun.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, as long as it works, it is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we get a couple cases that just came in that we're going to be working on here. Okay, one is the DWI out of Harnett County, oh that's the one that's got other charges.
Speaker 3:I think so, like at least bond-wise. Yeah, that's legit. We need to look that up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we got a lot to do on that. So that was the story of missed child support. If, uh, if you get a call from somebody, from no killing child support and it's not Frank, it's not me, oh, that was a good stuff, man. Uh, justice had been served. Good job, dude. Yeah, you know. And here's another thing like some of these liberals, I'm not going to say libtards- Out of respect for our fine viewer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I will say that the bail system works and a lot of the liberals don't like it because they were told that we take advantage of the poor minority, which is bullshit. We just guarantee that person's going to show up for the court date and we we also make sure that the victim there's a victim in the case has their day in court with them, there is always a victim.
Speaker 3:I've heard the term victimless cases. That was brought up in one of the uh events that we attended. Yeah, and I think, michelle, actually there was a professor from Chapel Hill that tried to say a victimless case. It was a lady who drove off after getting gas and she just drove off and didn't pay and she deemed that to be a victimless case. Michelle pointed out the fact that the owner of that store what happens to them? How many times can they take that hit before they? You know, you're either going to pass it on to your consumers or other things, just like every other thing that we're we're we're we. You know, saw people stealing from big time in California. You know people walking out and they're just like, oh well, from, yeah, big time in california.
Speaker 2:You know people walking out and they're just like, oh well. And then now, like like some of these big retailers have, like they pulled out of there because they just can't afford it. I mean, nobody can afford it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it happens on every. I mean, what about the little mom and pop places that you know are selling things and you know they get hit?
Speaker 2:yeah, um I'm glad we can be the ones to help make sure that their day in court is seen.
Speaker 3:Right. So I mean, yeah, it is what. As they say, it is what it is. I mean, if you want it done, that's what we do.
Speaker 2:So, sherry, that's pretty much kind of where we're at with that, but thank you for being a listener. We appreciate it. We got quite a few listeners on YouTube that watch us, and then we got some people that listen to us on Spotify and Apple podcast that whole nine yards, right. Oh well, that's it for today for Miss Child Support.
Speaker 3:Yeah, man, it's picking up the weather Everything. Oh, I know.
Speaker 2:You know, I know my pool was almost ready. Pool was almost ready, so close, all right, guys. Well, if you like what you see, you can hear us on all stream platforms. If you like what you hear, you can see us Our beautiful faces on YouTube at off the hook bail bond podcast. But until then, I am Rob, I'm Chad, what's up, and we'll see you next time Later. Bye.
Speaker 1:You've been listening to off the hook with Chad and Rob. We hope you've enjoyed the show. Make sure to like, rate, rate and review, and be sure to follow us for notifications for another exciting episode. But in the meantime, you can go to our website at wwwoffthehookbillcom to see more. So until next time, stay out of trouble, or it'll be you that needs to get off the hook. See you soon.
