Off The Hook
We are a group of private investigators, bounty hunters / fugitive recovery agents, and bail bondsmen that have been in this line of work for over twenty five years and have many stories to tell. We have traveled all over the country catching fugitives and bringing them back to have their day in court. With our years of experience we are trying to educate the public about bail and why it is a needed part of our judicial system.
Off The Hook
The Hunt for Steve: A Hilarious and Tricky Bail Bond Chase
Prepare yourself for a riveting exploration into the clandestine world of bail bonds and fugitive recovery, as we unravel the thrilling story of a fugitive named Steve! In this episode, Regina, a seasoned bail bondsman and NCBAA board member, shares her exhilarating journey of tracking down a runaway, revealing the unconventional methods she employed to bring him back to justice. With Regina's keen insights and engaging storytelling, we discuss how social media became a pivotal tool in the hunt and the personal hurdles faced by bondsmen dealing with the families of their clients.
Regina’s unique perspective sheds light on the challenges within the bail bond industry, including the balance of public safety and the necessity of personal connections. As we navigate through the emotional rollercoaster of bonding and recovery, listeners will also glean key insights into the influence of technology on fugitive recovery in today’s landscape, and the ongoing debates surrounding bail reform.
Join us for an episode filled with humor, unexpected twists, and valuable lessons as we tackle the pressing issues within the bail bonds world today. Don’t miss out on the chance to hear this captivating story that highlights the delicate dance between law enforcement, bondsmen, and those on the run! If you enjoy our podcast, support us by subscribing, sharing, and leaving a review. Your engagement keeps our conversations going strong!
When people are released from jail, they have the responsibility to appear in court, but some of these people choose to go on the run.
Speaker 2:They go back home to mommy.
Speaker 1:And that is when these guys come into the picture. So sit back and listen to the Off the Hook Podcast with Chad and Rob Very fine people on both sides. These are real stories, but the names have been changed.
Speaker 2:What's going on?
Speaker 3:everybody. I'm Rob, I'm Chad and this is Regina.
Speaker 2:How you doing, Regina. Hi guys, I'm so glad you took the time to come down here. Not this really cold weather. I'm sure you got some bad weather up there.
Speaker 4:It was really nasty.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we didn't get like. It got a little iced over here, not much.
Speaker 3:But nothing we got like snow, ice.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it was nasty.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3:I'm ready for spring.
Speaker 2:Me too. I'm ready, ready, really ready, ready, ready. So all you guys at home listening, miss Regina here has been a really good friend of mine for many years and Chad I met. But here's the thing I met Regina through her husband and also through the conferences that we were going to. Oh yeah, like I worked with her husband many, many years ago, he was electrical foreman on a job that I was doing up in Elizabeth City. I was the foreman for the fire alarm system out there. That's how me and him got together, because we were working together a lot. Then, when I met Regina here, we put two and two together. It was awesome. We've done some stuff together in the past. She's helped me out a lot, I must say.
Speaker 4:You've helped me too.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, Works both ways.
Speaker 4:Back and forth.
Speaker 3:Yeah so she is a board member of the. Ncbaa. I am, I am and they are very needed for North Carolina Bell agents.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 3:And so I wish you.
Speaker 2:I wish you weren't so far away, man. I would.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was on the board and I would have to drive like what is it Like? Three and a half, four hours every time I would attend a meeting. So you know little kids I have at home. That was difficult to do very frequently. So anyway.
Speaker 2:So, regina, since you know, we finally got you in here today, so we're going, we're going to let her tell a story this time, this time around, but before we get into that, yeah, let's hear about the NCBA yeah.
Speaker 3:Let's hear about everything that goes on there, okay.
Speaker 4:So I'm actually in my fourth year as a board member. Um damn already. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2:Can I get you close, there we go. Is that close enough? Yeah, okay.
Speaker 4:So I'm in my fourth year as a board member. Um, I sit in a room every few months. We try to listen to everybody's ideas, try to take everybody's issues, problems that other bondsmen are facing, and try to make it better for everybody. We have a lobbyist, of course, that goes out, tries to change all these laws, make them better, do whatever we can. It's not easy because not everyone thinks that bondsmen are necessary, unfortunately.
Speaker 3:Right right.
Speaker 4:But we understand what that fight is.
Speaker 2:I have a question. Maybe I'm putting you on the spot or maybe you don't know. We understand what that fight is, so I have a question, have you? Uh, maybe I'm putting you on the spot or maybe you don't know. Um to me, I think it that needs to be a a more of a um application process to become a bondsman. Have y'all have y'all looked into that at all?
Speaker 4:We we have discussed that.
Speaker 2:We do think it should be more of a lengthy process, more in-depth process to become a bondsman, because it is very easy, because virginia, virginia, you have to go through like yes, two weeks yeah, yeah, even for the bail enforcement in virginia.
Speaker 4:I'm also licensed there and even that training was a week and it was incredible the amount of things that we had to go through. But it was very, very well received on my part because it's just so much more information. So when you go out into the field and you're working, you actually work with law enforcement. You're not seen as the other side and you have a whole different level of respect, which is amazing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's I've, I've. I've seen the way different States have done it and I'm I'm like, hey, why don't we do this? So I'm kind of hoping to see the state do something like DOI and you guys, Because NCBA I think they have a good working relationship with DOI.
Speaker 4:Yes, yeah, we actually do. They don't necessarily like what we have to say, but we have a really good relationship with them, that's good we bounce a lot of ideas back and forth. If they want something done, a lot of times they'll come and talk to us and we go back and forth the same way.
Speaker 2:So what's your job on the board?
Speaker 4:Basically just to represent, bring everything forward and then review, make sure it's going to work not just for everyone in the state but also for my area as well. Right, so I'm in Johnston County, so I want to make sure that anything that the bondsmen in my area are talking about, I bring that back.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you what Johnston County. Now let me tell you something about Johnston County. It's right beside where I'm from, wilson and Johnston County. There's some wild folks out there there is yeah. There's some wild folks out there.
Speaker 4:Could there's a wild folks out there? Could you also cover like Harnett? Yeah, harnett Wake.
Speaker 2:Johnston Nash. Oh yeah, nash is wild too. Nash, yeah, it's right there next to where I grew up. Yeah, awesome, all right. So now we're going to kind of go to your story. We're going to start getting to your story a little bit here. Okay, all right. So what was their name?
Speaker 4:We're going to call him Steve.
Speaker 2:Steve. Okay. So Steve, where was he wanted? Out of what county?
Speaker 4:He was wanted out of Craven County. Oh yeah, that's New.
Speaker 2:Bern, area Greenville, oh gosh, new Bern, new Bern, yeah, area greenville, oh gosh, newbern, newbern, yeah, oh man, we've done some stuff in newbern, newbern, man, I love the sheriffs up there micah, if you're up there hey, what's up micah, hi, micah um, okay. So, with that being said, I've got setting the tone for steve here steve, here we go buddy, we go buddy. I don't know if y'all can hear this. This is great.
Speaker 3:Oh, this is perfect. Okay, let's not make fun of George too much. I do like some of his music.
Speaker 2:I don't know, he had great music, but he did play for the other team Much like Steve.
Speaker 4:Much like Steve.
Speaker 3:That's the reference. Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert.
Speaker 2:Okay, and you'll get this, I promise you. You'll understand why we did this Right.
Speaker 3:All right, I think they already got it.
Speaker 2:Okay, so Steve, all right, steve, steve wanted out of Craven County. How much was the bond?
Speaker 4:This particular bond was $50,000.
Speaker 2:That's a lot of money. Steve did something bad, didn't he?
Speaker 4:Yes, he did this was actually for probation violation. At the time he had violated multiple times. He could not provide or produce a clean urine sample. Um could not stay at one solid address, couldn't keep in contact with anyone besides his mom. Um, so yeah, he decided he was gonna mommy, mommy, always mom, mom always hides them.
Speaker 2:They go back to mommy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, always, yep All right.
Speaker 2:So once you got the forfeiture, how fast did you jump on it?
Speaker 4:Pretty fast Now. I will say in the beginning, we typically try to give everyone at least a couple weeks to get situated. So, back story on Steve is he had been bonded out by my agency several times over the years. It's not just somebody we pulled out of the ground. He was established, so he was pretty well known. We spoke to him initially. We were able to make contact. He said okay, I'll talk to my lawyer, no big deal. After that, everything totally changed.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you never know which one's going to. You can bond them out several times.
Speaker 2:Frequent flyer. Yeah, the one that's going to send them.
Speaker 3:You know I'm facing a lot. I think I'm just going to get out of Dodge.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've turned down some bonds. I'm sure you have too of regular people that have gotten out and after a while you're like, all right bro all right, we got to stop because, yeah, I can think of one off.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, because it's just getting bad.
Speaker 4:I don't know when to cut it yeah. All right. So, steve, what do you do? Um, at that point, then, that's when I really wanted to start increasing contact. I wanted to drive, I wanted to check the house I get there house is abandoned, completely abandoned.
Speaker 4:Doesn't that feeling suck, yeah yeah, it literally was like a sinking feeling. So we just start beating the street trying to figure out talk to his figure out where he might go, who he might crash with. Everything was turning up dead ends. Mom, however, of course, was in contact with us the whole time. Oh no, he's just taking care of himself, or, you know, he's trying to get it together. Always an excuse, but tried to make it sound positive.
Speaker 3:Was mom the cosigner?
Speaker 4:She was not the cosigner.
Speaker 3:Who was?
Speaker 4:He actually had his former boss, which I didn't know at the time was a former boss. I thought they were still a boss, but he was kind of like a childhood friend. They grew up together and then became his boss later in life. Yeah so they were very well connected yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, man, that's going to suck.
Speaker 3:Hope boss made good money.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So what led you to after that, like, how did you get up to the point? How?
Speaker 4:did I start the?
Speaker 2:hunt yeah, how did you start the hunt? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:So I'm always invested in social media. I try to watch everybody's pages, facebooks, instagrams, everything I can. Well, I noticed that he is very friendly. He's also always single, for lack of a better term, so he was known to hop around a bit, you know. So I start checking out his Instagram one day and I see that he had saved a little video and added a link to a Grindr account which yeah, I don't know Whoever's not familiar with that is actually a dating site, particularly for men who are like other men.
Speaker 2:That's why I played George.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so I, of course, have never had to use this app. So, with any typical catfish, I set out, got my bait ready, set up an account and cast it out.
Speaker 3:So did you find a gay guy to help you out with this?
Speaker 4:During the time I did, I had to consult a couple of my friends and say, hey, if I was going to hit on you and I was a dude what was something that I might say to catch your attention? It can't be the same as you hitting on a straight girl as a straight man. It has to be different. And so they did give me some pointers and yeah.
Speaker 2:So, the point has worked, so when you when you put all this in place, right and you and you got it set up and you're, you're actively hunting, right and you and you're, and he reaches out to you. I know the feeling. Yeah, I know that feeling like, oh yeah, I got him the puzzle pieces fit.
Speaker 3:Got him on the hook.
Speaker 2:I just got to reel him in, that's it. But the whole time you're worried because you're like all right, what happens if he stops communicating or stops yeah?
Speaker 4:And it can always take a whole left turn because people want to FaceTime. Right, they want to FaceTime you, they want to look at you, they want to make sure you're real. I want to hear your voice. So then what do I do? Obviously, what am I supposed to say? So I'm like, hey, my husband was totally out. He's like don't even come at me with that shit.
Speaker 2:He's like don't even come at me with that shit.
Speaker 3:Hey Shoni, come on, man, team player.
Speaker 4:He had no parts at all. So I had to consult with a friend of mine and we I had everything set up for that.
Speaker 2:But luckily he was fine with texting. Okay, he was good with texting and instant messages, sending pictures back and forth.
Speaker 4:I saw a lot of things I didn't necessarily need to see, but I did. We all have. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, yeah, yeah, I think. Uh, I've done that. I was I just yeah absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I've done that. It's another story I actually need to tell. I got a guy from Virginia and he sent me I was catfishing but he sent me a picture of his Johnson and I was like, oh God, I did not want to see that this morning.
Speaker 3:What is it with dudes that want to do that? Dudes are so quick with it too.
Speaker 4:As a female, it's always unsolicited too. You wake up and there's a penis in your inbox.
Speaker 3:And I'm like, why is there this picture?
Speaker 2:Are you not impressed, Dude?
Speaker 3:don't you shave.
Speaker 4:Oh my God oh my. God, it's amazing, some guys are so confident oh god, oh, all right.
Speaker 2:So after you done so, what'd you get pictures from?
Speaker 4:like internet I just went through and started googling. I was looking through instagram and I was literally googling like really hot gay caucasian male. And so I was getting like ideas, like really hot gay Caucasian male. And so I was getting like ideas like, hey, you know, as I would talk to him, what he would be into, I found a nice little looking guy, a little bit of chest hair, very clean cut, got some different pictures of the same guy, because that's very important.
Speaker 3:Right, right, yeah. So I had vacation pics.
Speaker 4:I had work pics, I had it all.
Speaker 2:So you did your homework, yeah.
Speaker 3:You vacation picks, I had work picks, I had it all all right, so you did your homework oh yeah, you did your homework.
Speaker 4:Yeah, fifty thousand dollars you're gonna do. You're gonna do a lot of homework, so he bought.
Speaker 2:He bought it hook line and sinker. He was on the hook for sure. So how long once you got him, once he he was hooked, how long after that did it take to talk to him versus to where you found, like where he was at?
Speaker 4:um, I want to say I probably wrapped the entire case up within a week, but I will say that midway I did realize that he was no longer in North Carolina and that was a huge kicker, because then, while I'm scrambling to keep him on the hook right, I also have to think of the other side and be like OK, now, what the hell? Do, I do to get the pieces together. What state's he in?
Speaker 2:Yeah, because also have to think of the other side and be like OK, now, what the hell do I do to get the pieces together? What states? Yeah, you got to follow every state's rules, so where did you go?
Speaker 4:So he actually was in Nashville.
Speaker 2:Oh, tennessee, tennessee. I love Nashville though.
Speaker 4:I really wanted to go, but it was so much easier for me to call one of my really good friends. His name is Mike. He was a bondsman in North Carolina for a really long time and he worked with me on a ton of cases before.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you know Mike. I think he's Mike Molina. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:Excellent, excellent. I'd work with him on anything to this day. But so basically I'm still talking to him. And then I'm starting to talk to Mike. I'm like, hey, could you help me out? He's like sure, I have some free time, no big deal. So I'm talking to the guy and I've got Mike on the road and figure out where we're going to link up and set everything up.
Speaker 2:So you set a hotel up.
Speaker 4:Yep, I did. He thought I was coming into town for work, that I was a traveling businessman, or whatever. I I was a traveling businessman, or whatever. I don't remember what my exact occupation was.
Speaker 2:You make your occupation whatever is good for him.
Speaker 4:Whatever fits, baby, whatever you like I mean I had to be appealing, I had to make money, I had to be single.
Speaker 3:You got to play the whole thing I had to have all the cards.
Speaker 4:So he thought I was coming into town and I was like, hey, I'll get a room, just meet me there when I get flight, whatever. So then you know, I was coordinating with mike and I'm like, okay, how long are you going to need? And he would tell me we'd go back and forth. Oh well, I had a little delay. I'm here hung up, I had just had a layover, but I'll see you in a couple hours. Cool, so I get the hotel pinpoint, everything research, the hotel entrance, all that right guy walks in mike's already pulling in.
Speaker 4:Guy walks in the lobby. Mike literally walks in right behind him, calls his name and tells him he's a bondsman, he's into custody.
Speaker 2:Any struggle.
Speaker 4:No, no struggle.
Speaker 2:Did he get the yeah, like hey.
Speaker 4:I'm supposed to be my, my boyfriend here. He's like no it's not.
Speaker 3:It's not happening today. Wow, oh man, those are good ones.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love them ones. That was great. Actually, me and Mike and Eric that works, writes bonds with us went and got a guy that's another good story I got to tell Up in Greenville he hit us with his car head on. Oh wow, yeah, mike's car. Actually I was in a car with Mike. Oh snap, yeah, yeah, and so yeah, but we got him. Nice man, that was a.
Speaker 3:That's a good. I saw Mike this past summer At a PI conference.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:He has his PI license.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's down in South Carolina. South Carolina, yeah, and Gina.
Speaker 3:Cause. Gina used to write with us. Yeah, gina used to work with us, okay.
Speaker 2:So yeah, every now and again he'll say something to me like hey man, how's it going? You know, blah, blah, blah. You know that's good. Well, how's so, speaking of your hunters, how's Chris and Terrence? Are they doing anything still?
Speaker 4:up there with you. Yep, they do. We do a lot of work together.
Speaker 2:I know you did back in the day. I ain't seen him in a while.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:We talking about Chris Burgess. Yep, okay.
Speaker 4:Yep, but he has a lot going on too. He's a realtor now. He also went back to a full-time job, so I tend to call them in when I have a case that's kind of pressing or hey, I need someone that is going to fall right into this category. Let's go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know they got in some mess a while back ago too, and that's one thing I hope that none of us ever have to go through.
Speaker 4:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:Yep, they went through hell.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they did. Luckily, it all worked out great, but it was hell while they were going through it.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm sure. Yeah, I remember Chris telling me about it. It was pretty bad, mm-hmm. So what do you since? What happened? All right, so you get Steve, you get him in handcuffs. Does Mike fly him back or he drives all the way?
Speaker 4:back, drive all the way back and he is a rock star when it comes to driving. He literally got on the road, grabbed him, got right back on the road. There was no. I was like you don't want to rest, you don't want to stay at the hotel, did he drop him off at the first county in Kimmel. Grove. Nope, he took him all the way back to Craven.
Speaker 3:He probably didn't want to spend the night with Steve.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 4:All that yeah.
Speaker 3:And you know Mike's a cutie, so I'm sure he would have.
Speaker 2:I don't think Gina would like that. He'd be like Steve would be like hey, mike, will you whisper?
Speaker 4:to me, so nothing's in my ear, let me go.
Speaker 2:Let me borrow that key. Yeah, you can speak spanish to me. Oh, I love it. Oh, my god, I love it. So, uh, now let me ask you a little bit about bear reform up in your area. What are you seeing throughout the state being on the board? You'll see it throughout the state, your area, because we see it in ours. Are you seeing a lot more unsecured bonds now?
Speaker 4:A lot more unsecured bonds and surprisingly, they're unsecured for things like domestic violence.
Speaker 3:I've seen that that was supposed to have been anything violent related. Right, it's not supposed to be.
Speaker 2:And now it's starting. Yeah, you know it's weird.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and I'm also seeing too, when we take them back, their bonds are being set lower. Yeah, I think you talked about that in another video. You guys did.
Speaker 3:We went. We had one in Chicago.
Speaker 4:That one? Yeah, it was a 25.
Speaker 3:It should have been a 50.
Speaker 2:No, it was a 50. It was a 50. It should have been a 100.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's right, and they lowered it. And, like you know, I talked to somebody in the DA's office. I'm like, did you not see what we had to go through to get them back here and what their bond used to be? You don't care and they're like, yeah, somebody screwed up. That's what they told me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so in North Carolina I know, because they couldn't, they don't want to tackle bail reform on a state level. They do it judicially, districts Through the districts. Do you see more districts like more rural districts are not doing it as much as the there's definitely a difference.
Speaker 4:So a probation violation in Johnston County, for example, could be $10,000, $25,000, $50,000, just for a simple violation. Nothing crazy, not absconding. But in Nash County, for example, that could be $2,000. It could be $5,000.
Speaker 3:So there's definitely a difference. We're seeing some of that here yeah, do you see more people?
Speaker 2:uh, not going to court now up in your um I think it's still about the same.
Speaker 4:We have a really high fta rate, a lot of bonds. We write our fta bonds for that reason.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's gonna say because a lot of bonds.
Speaker 4:We write are.
Speaker 3:FTA bonds. For that reason yeah, I was going to say because a lot of them- probably were unsecured, and then they failed.
Speaker 2:So the FTA. If you guys at home don't understand what an FTA is, we've talked about it before.
Speaker 3:It's failure to appear, so you just didn't get it recorded. Everything's abbreviated in our world, you know, because it's so long to write out.
Speaker 2:So, with that being said, with the NCBAA, are y'all bringing some of these cases up and showing us that, hey look, this ain't working?
Speaker 4:Yeah, we definitely look at the numbers from different areas. We try to get information from the different areas so we can take it directly back to them and say, hey, we got to figure something out. We need something more uniform, something that's going to work for everybody.
Speaker 2:Okay, now I don't know if you can tell me or not Now. Has the board talked about doing something different when it comes to recovery agents?
Speaker 4:We have entertained the idea of doing the two separate license. Actually, DOI really wants that.
Speaker 3:Really.
Speaker 4:But I don't know if they can manage that. I don't necessarily feel that. Do you guys feel that DOI is appropriate to regulate that?
Speaker 2:I think the Department of Public Safety needs to.
Speaker 4:That's what I was thinking as well.
Speaker 2:You know I understand the DOI and I've got nothing against them because we have a great working relationship. We just had an audit and we passed flying colors. But when it comes to like, I got a buddy of mine who's an agent with DOI and he was telling me he goes after like the actual insurance companies. That's what he does. He doesn't do much with bail bonds anymore. He used to.
Speaker 3:But you know DOI they've got so much going on but department of public safety would seem like it would be more fitting to that umbrella.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah I mean, is there was, so what's the verdict on that so far? Has that something that the really hasn't gone anywhere.
Speaker 4:But I think more and more cases that are coming out where the bondsmen are you know we're getting involved with shootings and getting hit by cars and chases and things like that I think they're starting to pay attention a lot more yeah, I mean hell, if I mean, I don't. I don't want to say that they don't realize, possibly, how dangerous our job can be, but I think that now they're starting to see it a little differently.
Speaker 2:Well, if they didn't know, come talk to me and tell me about the one in Greenville?
Speaker 4:Yeah, because I mean, the law says we have to take them back to jail by any means necessary, right? So we have the right to do that, right? But I don't think until more recently they've started to pay attention to what that actually means.
Speaker 2:Well, it's a good thing to hear that somebody's finally paying attention.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Right, I mean, like I said, chad and you, how long have you been in business?
Speaker 4:Ten years.
Speaker 2:Okay. So yeah, I've been in business as long as you have. Chad's been in it for 26, 27. Wow, Woo-hoo. Yeah, okay, but Chad also, you know know, did an old school style and then, but he also learned how to yeah, we were talking about earlier like how, when I started, you didn't have the internet as it is.
Speaker 3:You know you had that dial up right, you got mail, you know and and like, so you didn't have all these um law enforcement agencies that that reported. You know things like you have now I mean have it so good, which I think is kind of you know, when you, when you've had it rough, so to speak. Right, yeah, and then you moved, but also that the crime has moved with the digital age too, yeah, yeah, for sure. But you definitely have to be on your game to keep on top of people.
Speaker 2:I said it this morning when he retires, I'm retiring. I ain't doing this shit by myself.
Speaker 3:I'm leaving next week and he gets the phone.
Speaker 2:God, I don't want it.
Speaker 3:I take all the calls and just send it to him, so it's pretty been weeded out by the time he gets it. But I have to deal with all the you know the fun calls. I'm sure you're aware of?
Speaker 4:I'm very aware. Yeah, I've got a $100,000 bond.
Speaker 3:I've got $100. Yeah, put me on a payment plan At 3 o'clock in the morning, right and they've called you three times in a row. Sorry to call you so late. Am I bothering you? No, it's like straight into. I need to get this person out. You need to get them out and like.
Speaker 2:I don't have patience like Chad does and I'm, like I said I'll be over to John, so mad I don't know. But I won't say nothing Cause I'm trying, you know it's, you know name. I'm not trying to make it bad.
Speaker 2:But, man, I'm like are you dumb, Are you completely dumb? I get so mad. They're fine when you get one that can talk some actual sense, Like oh cool, I can have a conversation. So that's kind of one way we kind of weed them out If you can have a conversation with them. But sometimes you kind of get fooled.
Speaker 3:When they miss, know it's not going to get any better.
Speaker 2:No Right.
Speaker 3:You're dealing with this worse, yep so.
Speaker 2:Well, regina, thank you for coming down. This is awesome. I'm glad you got to come down. I'm happy to be here. A board member from the NCBA, that's what I'm talking about, you know. Keep doing good things, yeah y'all keep me up to date. Let me know what's going on with some of the stuff I know we're down here in the corner in North Carolina.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they come into our continuing education classes. Yeah, because we're at the beach, of course. Yeah, the beach?
Speaker 2:No, we're not.
Speaker 3:It's all good.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, I appreciate you coming down, and too bad you didn't bring Shorty. I would have loved to see him.
Speaker 4:I tried, I tried so hard, but that snow messed him up completely.
Speaker 2:Did it. Yeah, man, he's a great electrician.
Speaker 3:I know we were building our house. I called him about. We couldn't get a power box.
Speaker 2:You remember it was a shortage during the whole thing where you couldn't get windows and doors for houses and stuff like that. We couldn't get a power box Nowhere. We almost had him bring one down he was looking for me.
Speaker 3:I don't think he could find one either.
Speaker 2:I miss Shorty. I'm going to have to give him a holler While you're here. It's almost lunchtime. Let's go get something to eat before you take back off to Johnston County. My uncle was a retired. Ale officer from let's go get something to eat before you take back off to Johnston County. Johnston County. My uncle was a retired ALE officer from Johnston County a long time ago. He used to bust moonshine steels.
Speaker 4:Wow.
Speaker 2:Back in the day, back in the 80s, 70s and 80s, yeah, yeah, yeah, wow. He retired. Then he became an officer, a detective, in the Clayton PD and remember when, at Bojangles, when these two cops were um in the drive through and the drug dealer was in front of them and he got out at, anyway, something happened and it was in a shootout and it killed one of the officers the female officer.
Speaker 2:The female officer that that partner, that was my uncle, that was, oh, really Killed the guy. Yeah, oh, wow, it's Uncle Billy. Wow, that's been a long time ago.
Speaker 4:That has been a long time ago. Clayton is wild too. Now Clayton is wild, clayton is wild.
Speaker 2:We can keep going on and on. We're almost done here, Regina. Thank you for coming down. It welcome. It was so awesome to see you. Keep us up to date we'll so if you like what you hear, you can listen to us on Spotify. If you like to see us, you can see our ugly me and Chad's ugly face and you can see Regina's pretty face. You can check us out on YouTube at Off the Hook Bell Bonds Podcast. But until then, I'm Rob, I'm Chad and Regina. Yay, we'll see you the next time around.
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