Off The Hook
We are a group of private investigators, bounty hunters / fugitive recovery agents, and bail bondsmen that have been in this line of work for over twenty five years and have many stories to tell. We have traveled all over the country catching fugitives and bringing them back to have their day in court. With our years of experience we are trying to educate the public about bail and why it is a needed part of our judicial system.
Off The Hook
Navigating Cultures in a Bounty Hunter's World
Brace yourself for a thrilling tale of bounty hunting under the shadow of immigration laws and a $25,000 bond that hangs in the balance. Imagine navigating the murky waters of an ever-changing legal landscape while balancing the intricate dynamics of immigrant communities. That's exactly where our story leads as Chad and Rob regale you with a gripping account that begins with snowy misadventures and duck hunts, quickly spiraling into the high-stakes world of bounty hunting. The plight of bondsmen when dealing with immigrants on ICE holds comes alive with Rob's North Carolina adventure, all set in motion by a tip-off from Leland.
Join us on this suspense-filled ride as Rob recounts his pursuit of Juan through the streets of Raleigh, aided by local bondsman Regina and her husband. Language barriers and cultural nuances form the backdrop of a strategic operation involving social media sleuthing and a confidential informant. The tension mounts as an undercover mission in a Hispanic neighborhood unfolds, leading to Juan's eventual capture. The episode is a testament to teamwork, quick thinking, and the nerve-wracking unpredictability of bounty hunting, highlighting the real-world challenges faced by those who operate at the intersection of justice, immigration, and finance.
When people are released from jail, they have the responsibility to appear in court, but some of these people choose to go on the run.
Speaker 2:They go back home to mommy.
Speaker 1:And that is when these guys come into the picture. So sit back and listen to the Off the Hook podcast with Chad and Rob.
Speaker 2:Very fine people on both sides.
Speaker 1:These are real stories, but the names have been changed.
Speaker 2:What's going on? Everybody, I'm.
Speaker 3:Rob and I'm Chad. What's up? What's happening with Chad? Not much man, man, it's been a minute since we've been in office. Yeah it's been cold and we had've been in an office. Yeah, it's been cold and we had some snow.
Speaker 2:We never get snow down here.
Speaker 3:We very rarely get it. So I think the whole, like all the way down to Florida, they got it, and I saw all these crazy pictures. Yeah, it was nice, it was something different. It was definitely something different Kids need to experience it.
Speaker 2:But I did go grab you and we went duck hunting one day, had a good time yeah, we shot at Daffy a little bit, we hurt his feelings my son got one the other day though. Yeah, he got him a mallard. I saw him. It was pretty. We saw him coming in and he turned right before we like going to go roost and popped him did you actually find him? No, Well, all right. So I've got to trigger my hunting dog.
Speaker 3:Roy Rogers' horse.
Speaker 2:He's only been twice and we're training him and he's just, he's really good, he's learning. But man trying to find it in the marsh and he was kind of far off where he landed, so I didn't. He cut his pad on an oyster shell and it bled for two days, yeah. So anyway, we had a good time. I was running out of daylight because it was snowing out and when we got back to the ramp it was iced up and I couldn't hardly get my boat out. It was iced up and I couldn't hardly get my butt out.
Speaker 3:It was horrible. Yeah, man, it's been a few days man.
Speaker 2:You've been cooped up in your house, though, that's for sure.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it just sucks. It's, you know, so glad to get out and try to get back to some normalcy, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm glad to be back in the office doing our thing. I'm glad we're. Uh, hopefully the calls you know start pick up now, since you know the weather's kind of going away.
Speaker 3:Everybody's staying in trying to be good, I guess, yeah.
Speaker 2:Until somebody gets tired of a significant other Tired of your ass. You didn't listen to me the first time. It happens a lot.
Speaker 3:The way the stories usually start.
Speaker 2:So this episode Chad is going, is it?
Speaker 3:Yeah, so this episode, chad is going to. Yeah, so this one we're going to switch it up and we're just going to let. Rob had a recent one that kind of correlates with what we're hearing in the news, with the new administration, with all the ICE and the people getting picked up and taken back to other countries. Right, and it's not just Mexico, yeah, it's not just that's what taken back to other countries.
Speaker 2:Right, and it's just not. It's not just Mexico, it's.
Speaker 3:No, it's not just that's what I said. Other countries.
Speaker 2:Other countries.
Speaker 3:So yeah, this one, rob, got a call from a bondsman. I want to say what?
Speaker 2:Tennessee, yes, and he's a bounty hunter for the insurance company.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so they, they've basically found him. You said like Leland sent you this yeah yeah, leland sent.
Speaker 2:Well, leland called me and said hey, I got a buddy of mine who needs some help. He's having some trouble up in North Carolina. I said, well, just tell him to give me a call. Well, a couple weeks later, a week later, he finally gives me a call and says hey, I'm having some issues up there, I need your help. And L and Leland spoke highly of you. So I was like okay, cool, let's, let's see what we can do. Let's see what we can do. So on this one here, sir, I got to, I got, I got a special one for you. Well, hang on. Before we get into this, though, I kind of want to explain to the people, I want you to explain to them how, why we do not find out illegal immigrants, whether I don't care what country you're from.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's not that we're picking on anybody that you know is from another country. The fact of the matter is, if you get arrested here, you're not, you don't have legal status. Once you are brought into the jail, they have the potential to alert ICE if you have an ICE hold. So what happens is, let's say, you have a $5,000 bond. Okay, you know, you make calls, you get a bondsman to post your bond. Okay, once that bond has been posted, the jails will alert ICE that this person has made bond, but there's a hold for 48 hours. Ice has 48 hours to come pick them up and take them to one of the hubs and deport them, usually to Charlotte and Charlotte, atlanta, yeah, so when that happens, they become a number. Now we're stuck, still on the bond, still on the hook for the five grand or whatever it is. Whoever posts that bond In this case this bondsman, I believe, had 25 grand, 25 grand.
Speaker 2:But now the bondsman? Now let's tell everybody. The bondsman is no longer in business because of them doing shady, shady stuff, and any department of insurance but does that have to do with this particular case, or something? Yeah, this was one of her bonds.
Speaker 3:Okay, that she's, you know, screwed everybody over on so 25 000 is at stake at this one, with a guy who's illegally here and could be deported. Yep, yep, and you're still on the hook for $25,000. Not a bad situation to be in, not a good one, no.
Speaker 1:With that being said, this is the story of Juan. Here we go.
Speaker 2:Sets the mood. I don't know what he said, but hey, all right. So what's going on with one? Okay, let me, let me get comfortable here. So of course I told you that it gives me a ring and he tells me. He says, hey, I've got 25K in Raleigh, north Carolina, which is only an hour 45 minutes from us.
Speaker 3:That's where they think they.
Speaker 2:That's where they think, yeah, that's where it was Went from. Tennessee to Raleigh, North Carolina yeah, and that's where he thought the guy was at, because he committed crimes in Wake County. So of course you start from square one. He only got a forfeiture from the insurance company and that is it.
Speaker 3:So what he's saying is when you get these forfeitures, all they are are they're a scary piece of paper, yellow piece of paper. You get in the mail that has a dollar amount, date when the bond was written, the person's name, the insurance company and the bondsman who wrote it and when that's due. That's all the information that's on this sheet. No pictures, no, nothing, nothing. It's just that's them giving you notice that if you can't solve this problem by this date, you owe this much money. Yep, and that's when things get real.
Speaker 2:So Regina, a good friend of ours up in out of Raleigh area. She's a bondsman, she's Hispanic, her and her husband's shorty. I gave them a call and I say look, I got a case coming. He's Hispanic, I'm going to need your help. She was like, okay, no problem. Okay, so I get the file. I'm looking at it and he's like the bounty hunter's like dude, I don't know if he has social media, so you're going to have to put in a little bit of work. I'm like, all right, cool, no problem, not going to be able to read it.
Speaker 3:It's in Spanish.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I found it, but I can't read it. It's in Spanish. So of course, that's when I called Regina. Thank you very much, regina, for all your help, you and Shorty. They got on the social media for me and so I was like I was having them handle it because there wasn't enough of me.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but.
Speaker 2:I did look back and I was like I wonder how he's illegal and everything's in Spanish. So I'm like I wonder how long he's been here. I'm curious now this is what everything going on here lately with you know, with Trump coming in office, I was. I was curious when he got over here and I said three to four years from looking at his Facebook, just kind of looking at time frame and what he was posting and stuff like that. So the Bounty Hunter out of Tennessee tells me that he has been to Raleigh once because he went to the address that was on the forfeiture, because that's where the address for the warrant is also at. It's at that address.
Speaker 3:Let me guess he didn't live there.
Speaker 2:No, he didn't.
Speaker 3:Chalker.
Speaker 2:So he goes there and he's trying to talk to these people this is his Hispanic family and they can't speak English. They're like uno momento, let me call homeboy, a friend of ours down around the corner. They're like uno momento, let me call homeboy, a friend of ours down around the corner. So she comes around, starts talking and she speaks very good English and she tells the bounty hunter that he never lived there. He was using a property that his ex-boss owns yeah, out there, because it's one of the Hispanic community and all of them are really nice to me. I have to give them that, right, you know, with everything going on, you're kind of leery about who's going to treat you nice, who's not. Yep, but she was great. And well, the bounty hunter was like look, since nobody knows who, I don't have anything else, go off. I got to go back to Tennessee. I'll give you $500 if you can get me to him and she goes deal, I can do that. Right, he goes back to Tennessee.
Speaker 2:Some weeks go by and evidently nothing has come out of it. And that's when he, the bounty hunter, uh, khalil Reached out to you. Yeah, reached out. So I'm looking into this thing. I got his social media and I'm you know, regina's going through it and I'm talking to the CI. Now he gave her my number and she contacted me and then I was talking to her about, hey, what are you doing? What? What kind of conversation? Well, I haven't reached out to him yet. I'm like, well, you need to, so I will come up there.
Speaker 2:I think it was a Tuesday. I went up there some weird day during the week. I said, okay, I'm going to come up there on Tuesday, I'll meet you. So Tuesday comes along, I go up there, I meet with her and I tell her that, look, I need you to. You know, start flirting with him a little bit.
Speaker 2:Because Regina gave me some good information. She told me she goes, he's got a wife and a child down in Mexico and when I started once I found that out, I started looking back through a social media, cause I'm now I'm really interested in what's going on. And I look and I see his brother he's got brothers and his mama and his daddy all live on the east side of Mexico City. They're all there. He doesn't have anybody here. So I told Regina, I said, hey, look see if he's got anybody here. She looks and she's like, no, I don't see anybody. He's got any family here, cool. So that's easier, you know, easier to try to. It's not going to be as easy, but it's easier to know what we're dealing with.
Speaker 2:So the informant while I was up there I was at Lowe's checking. You know where the migrants kind of hang out, get on a van to go to work. I hung that up that afternoon, didn't see anything. I've been to all kinds of addresses. I had shorty, go by, take a look at another address. I mean, you name it. I was looking at it. I could not find nothing Right.
Speaker 2:And so it gets late in the night on that Tuesday night and I'm talking to the CI. She's like, well, he's talking to me and he wants to get to know me a little bit more. I'm like, all right, cool, we'll go ahead and play. We're going to have to be patient, we're going to have to play the game and, of course, who? We're pretty good at this game. I'm just got to say this chat I learned. I learned some most. I learned some most of my skills from Mr Taylor here and we've caught people before you know doing this and this is so awesome, it's fun to me. I think it's fun. It's kind of nerve wracking, but the one guy we caught three times yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I think that's what you're thinking about. Yeah.
Speaker 2:We caught him three times.
Speaker 3:Usually people are quicker learners, but that guy was not.
Speaker 2:Absolutely not. So I leave and come back home that Tuesday. Yeah, she's in contact with him. They're chit-chatting back and forth Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. She's talking to him the whole time. She's calling me every night saying, you know, telling me what's going on. Give me screenshots. I can't read none of these screenshots because they're all in Spanish, Right?
Speaker 2:right so of course I'm sending them to Regina. Regina's telling me what the conversation says. So I want to make sure the CI is not telling me a load of bullshit. I don't want to waste my time Right. Well, friday afternoon, late Friday into the night, she calls me and goes he wants to meet right now. I'm like, look, I can't get up there right now. I'm almost two hours away. I was like tell me you're with your family and you can only meet on Saturday. And she does it. And she's like, okay, cool, he's ready to go. God, he's so ready Because I told her a couple tricks to do. You know, go on the internet, get some pictures and send to him. I said don't send him no naked picture of yourself, just send him some random naked picture off the internet to get him going. She's like, okay, cool, she thought this was fun.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because this happens in real life, guys, right yeah?
Speaker 2:right? Not. So she tells him that she's with her family up in Fuquay that night and then we can meet tomorrow. She goes what do you want to meet? And she said you pick the location. And he sends her. San Jose Mexican restaurant right behind Triangle Town Center Mall.
Speaker 3:A little home cooking, huh.
Speaker 2:I said well at least, because when I was looking for them I was on Capitol Boulevard, between Capitol and New Bern, all right. And then Atlantic Avenue, all that area, right there.
Speaker 3:What amount of radius is that? What amount of radius I? What amount of radius?
Speaker 2:I was looking at a five to ten mile radius, okay, so I was honing in close to them. So Saturday morning I get a phone call from her telling me that, hey, he's wanting to meet today, we just don't know what time. And she keeps telling him, hey, let's do 12 o'clock, let's do 12 o'clock. And he was like okay. And she calls me and tells me I'm like all right, I'm on the way, I've got to go now. So I get in the truck on the way. I'm calling Regina, calling Shorty, calling the bounty hunter out of Tennessee, Excuse me. And calling the bounty hunter out of Tennessee, excuse me. And I'm on the road and you actually hit me up talking about.
Speaker 3:hey, I had a bond. I had a bond and I was like, oh man, I missed it. I went and did it, don't worry.
Speaker 2:I hate I missed it, but it worked out great for the both of us we get it done.
Speaker 2:Yep, I get up there and let's see, I go straight to San Jose and I'm sitting in the parking lot watching. I actually go in to eat Might as well. Yeah, I mean, I'm there. They have really good food, by the way. Okay, chimichangas. Okay, continue, all right. So I'm sitting there and he's saying hey, I can't meet at 12. I got wrapped up with work. And he's he's saying hey, I can't meet at 12. I got wrapped up with work and, uh, you know, it's going to be a little bit later, and so the whole, and I'm going damn, now I've got to wait around. I don't like this waiting around and shit. So I get done eating and I know that he doesn't have a vehicle because he was telling her that she was going to have to pick him up. He didn't have a car because of what happened.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:And, matter of fact, let me tell the audience what his charges were, because I don't think I did.
Speaker 3:Okay, tell us, tell us.
Speaker 2:All right. So he got no operator's license. Uh standard fictitious tags. No insurance, no insurance, never do uh property damage, felony hit and run.
Speaker 3:So he hit somebody pretty bad.
Speaker 2:Yep, cause he also got a DWI. He was drunk, as it can be.
Speaker 3:Shocker, yeah, say less.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and I tell you, I got you know at the end of the story it's going to be even better. Okay, because I was thinking he was here three to four years. It's going to be great. It's going to be great, it's going to be wonderful, huge.
Speaker 1:Huge.
Speaker 2:All right, so I be great, it's gonna be wonderful, huge, huge. So all right, so I know he's on foot. She tells, he tells my informant that he does concrete work. And I was sitting there wondering going, all right, what? What if he doesn't have a vehicle? And he's picked this place?
Speaker 3:it's got to be somewhere close to where he lives, where he's staying Right. So that's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 2:And there's only two apartment complexes that are right there. So of course I was up in parking lots and watching. There was tons of Hispanics coming out working on cars or going to go grocery store or just hanging out. You know, I was just. I get it If folks or just hanging out.
Speaker 1:you know, I was just Go ahead. Yeah, I get it Go ahead.
Speaker 2:If folks, I'm telling you, when you see this on YouTube, you'll see why I'm laughing.
Speaker 3:Just moving him in position.
Speaker 2:Moving him in position. Can you see?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah Go ahead All right, I don't see nothing. So he responds back hey, it's going to be a little bit later. Nothing, so he responds back, hey, it's going to be a little bit later. You know, I'm like, okay, cool, We'll just play, go along with it. Tell him that you know you're getting tired of waiting and that if he wants a piece that he's going to have to hurry up. So she does. And he was like, okay, I'll go, go, go. So I chill out, take me a little siesta. I walk around Triangle Townsend Mall for 30 minutes just taking a look. I was just trying to waste time and, speaking of, look who's calling me.
Speaker 2:Nah, it's funny, I'll call you right back in a minute. Let's see Continue. All right. So I'm going through these, I'm going through the neighborhoods, I'm checking everything out. I walk through the mall. I'm just trying to waste time. I'm like, all right, I'm going to go see the CI.
Speaker 2:I take off and go see the CI and I'm like look, I'm like is anything coming through? And she's like, no, he's just been quiet. I'm like you need to get on the ball and tell him what's up. Like, tell him you're getting tired of waiting. I said you're the one in control here, you're the woman, remember that. And he goes. She goes okay, okay, okay, okay. So while I'm sitting in my truck, she's standing next to it. While I'm sitting there, she goes oh, he's hitting me up right now. I was like perfect. Tell him. Let's say, hey, what the hell are we doing? I let's say, hey, what the hell we doing? I mean because you, she's like I got stuff to do, man, yeah. And she even she goes, hey, look, we need to, I need to stop by the liquor store, I gotta get some tequila, and she did.
Speaker 3:She said she's gonna stop and get some tequila.
Speaker 2:Okay, all right, whatever okay, so we're doing tequila, right, and she's going. She supposedly is going going to the ABC store at this time and he says the location says come pick me up, bingo. So now, now I'm, I'm ready to go right now, right now, right now, without even thinking about it. But over the years I have learned not to do that, cause Mr Taylor here has helped me out and show me some different ways of doing things. Thank you, sir, you've done a great job with that. I take it, I look at it, I plan it out with her, I tell her, I say, look, give me about a couple minutes before you get there so I can be set up in place watching it. That way, if I don't see him, cool, so I'm hauling butt, right, I see him, cool, so I'm hauling butt, right, I'm going to, I'm going to ezra off atlantic avenue. Okay, so it's in the area. I'm right, I'm like man, I'm right here, near the area.
Speaker 3:So you're right, you're your suspicion's right that you're you're in the area, yeah, yeah okay.
Speaker 2:And so I get to the parking lot, I pull in, I'm on the phone with everybody regina Short I'm like, hey, I'm about to get this guy. If you get here ASAP on the way, come on, let's go. All right. And I'm sitting in the parking lot and I don't see him. And next thing, you know, he comes out this door. Now, when he was talking to the CI, I said, hey, what door when? It was like a little like a strip mall. Okay, so you're in a strip mall.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm in a strip mall. You're in a parking lot of a strip mall, yeah parking lot of a strip mall, and it's all Hispanics. It's all Hispanic stores. You're in a truck. Yeah, I'm trying to blend in. Yeah, you kind of could, especially when I got this beanie on here. I mean, you look like a terrorist when you know, during when you had your ahmed uh beard going you know, yeah, there you go, yeah, yeah, you're, you're instantly.
Speaker 2:Hey, it's a what's up, chicano, what's up. So anyway, I'm sitting there and before I had gotten there, I told her. I was like look, I said see if you get him to send the picture. Well, he does. And he, this is me right now. Of course he had a blue hat and damn black jacket and a white tank top. How do I? Why does he wear a white tank top?
Speaker 3:because he's showing the good story hey, who knows?
Speaker 2:right, you know. So he comes out the door and I see him. I'm like boom, perfect. He doesn't know who I am. He has no idea there's somebody after him, whatsoever, perfect. So I get out the truck and I'm walking real calmly over because I don't have a vest on and none of that mess I'm blending in, excuse me. I start walking, not kind of towards him, but towards him, right, right, Just a little like I'm going to the door.
Speaker 3:You don't make eye contact, you're just. I'm just chilling.
Speaker 2:Right and I see him look to his left, away from me, and when he does that, I kind of start speed walking a little bit and he's like he keeps looking like something's got his attention down there. Yeah, now, as soon as I find that out, I'm like boom, I'm on it. I'm I'm running as fast and as quiet as I can. I get up on him. I'm literally about for me to you and I'm like Manos and me to you and I'm like manos and he's like, oh, and I get him on the ground and I start cuffing him. He tries to pull away for a second and I tweak the cuff. I'm like, let him know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm like hey, bro, you better settle down, it's going to hurt.
Speaker 2:This ain't going to happen Right.
Speaker 2:So get him in handcuffs, get him up and walk on our way to the truck. He has no idea that the CIs helped me out. Good, he has no idea he doesn't need to. So I get him to the back of the truck. I put tailgate down because I'm going to call RPD. They come out and pick him up right, they've been really good at that. Every time we've been up there, I start searching him. I didn't tell you this. I started searching him. I didn't tell you this. I started searching him. He had two Medellos in his pocket. I was like bro, you can't take them to the jail with you.
Speaker 3:He was walking around with beers.
Speaker 2:He was walking around with beers in his pocket. Oh, okay.
Speaker 3:Ready to party, I guess.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and he had like some Hispanic Tic Tacs Like he was trying to you know it's fresh Mentos.
Speaker 3:Yeah, his breath got me fresh Right. He covered all the angles right. He covered all the angles the tank top showing the guns. He had the beers for the buzz.
Speaker 2:He was ready to party.
Speaker 3:The breath meant for her. He had it covered.
Speaker 2:He was ready to party.
Speaker 3:Sweet, you were a party disruptor, sorry.
Speaker 2:Oh well, so he calls. I let him make a phone call. That's nice. He calls one of his friends and it's an older lady. She comes out and she speaks very good English. So she's telling me about you know. She's asking me questions like, hey, what was this for? I tell him you know everything.
Speaker 3:And he was like oh, committed a crime, he's got to face it. Like everybody else, you don't get any special privileges, especially when you're here illegally. You know folks, we're not like going after people that you know are innocent.
Speaker 2:You know these are the ones that have to be picked up, remember he hit hit a woman and put her in the hospital bad and he had no insurance. So now our insurance rates have to go up because of that.
Speaker 3:They're going to make up for a loss. Just like thievery at stores, prices go up to cover that that's been stolen. I mean, it's simple math here, folks cover that that's been stolen.
Speaker 2:I mean it's simple. Yeah, out there folks. I um I also asked her. I said ask him how long he's been here in the us. I'm curious now because you know trump's about to get sworn in like in two days at this time.
Speaker 3:I'm curious at this point, where he's been in office exactly one week.
Speaker 2:Yep, he's only been here two years.
Speaker 3:Wow, that's right in the middle of somebody's administration.
Speaker 2:Yep. I asked her to ask him how did he come over Walked, walked right in Right, walked right in.
Speaker 3:Of course he did. And there you go, and there you go and that and that's what.
Speaker 2:That's what a small part of of America wants, which is, it's asinine. Oh, these other countries don't have. You know, they're not letting that happen in other countries. They'll, they'll deport you to quick. Obama did it. Obama was deporting everybody.
Speaker 3:He said the same thing Trump did but all of them did at one point and it's Obama, did it Obama?
Speaker 2:wasn't deporting everybody. He said the same thing Trump did. All of them did at one point. Anyway, it's hard. I'm tired of hearing about it. Majority of America voted for this.
Speaker 3:Let's get it done. That's what's happening. It's getting done now.
Speaker 2:So now he's going to get deported.
Speaker 3:We don't want to hear the crying and all that stuff. You know he's deporting the people that need to be deported, the ones that are in jails, prisons, the ones in Colorado that went and— the Venezuelan gang. The Venezuelan gang that took over the apartment complex. I just heard yesterday that a lot of those guys have been arrested. These are all people that could have been stopped. They knew where they're at. Nothing was done.
Speaker 2:So the battle? I went and got none of that, any of that. The gas, the time, all that was zero, paid by the taxpayers.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's all on the bondsman.
Speaker 2:That's all on the bondsman insurance company, right right it. That's all on the bondsman. That's all on the bondsman insurance company, right right.
Speaker 3:It had nothing to do with the general public.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:So you're welcome. You know, so bail works.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it works. It works Until the, you know, walking around like hey.
Speaker 3:Hey, hey, a little side note. You watched the inauguration, right? Yeah, you know, I told you I text Gavin.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I text him. I told him I was like man, we're super proud that you're going to be one of the performers. He texted me back and he's like cool man, you guys are great. He's such a nice dude.
Speaker 2:Gavin the girl. Where are you at buddy Right here?
Speaker 3:Right here, Gavin. Yeah, buddy dude, but gavin the girl, where you, at buddy, right here, right here, gavin. Yeah, buddy, we're proud of you.
Speaker 2:Yes keep it up, man. I don't care what they say about you you're, he's taking a lot.
Speaker 3:I mean everybody that performed um. What's her name? Carrie underwood, she's. She got a lot of flack from that but she's an amazing artist she did a great job. Um, you know, um, and then, and gavin you know, on his uh twitter. I went and looked at his twitter um a lot of people.
Speaker 2:He put something out too, didn't he?
Speaker 3:yeah, he did. Yeah, totally supporting, um, you know, current administration and, uh, he's getting a lot of pushback from a lot of people. Well, it's a's a big it's a it's takes guts to do that, yeah, you know, especially in their position.
Speaker 2:So I think a lot of people are like hey look, we're tired of this shit. Like y'all got to be sensible about this. You know the last four years didn't work out. What makes you think the next four years? You know?
Speaker 3:them restructure their party, not so freaking crazy blue haired, you know craziness, and come out with some actual policies that are decent, you know, then they'll have a chance at convincing people to come to their side.
Speaker 2:So you know that's what it's going to take. Or how about somebody in the Democrat Party say you know what? I think I can do a better job than Trump can? This is what we need to do.
Speaker 3:An actual, real debate. And that's coming back to center. I hope so. You know you're way out here right now. Left side, you bring it in, and right might be out here in the center, where we all can agree. That's where you're going to win. So until you do that, well, that was story of one. That's just one story. This is one.
Speaker 2:But that's a good one, rob, that is a good one, chicano. All right, hey, hey, hey. So all right.
Speaker 3:Well, let's that is a that is a good one. Chicano, alright, hey, so alright, well, let's let's wrap this up.
Speaker 2:It's been 30 minutes already, man. It goes quick, man, alright. So anyway, if you like what you see here, you can actually see us on YouTube. Check us out on Off the Hook podcast on YouTube, and we're streaming on all streaming platforms. Uh, and, if you, you know comment like subscribe, do all that good stuff, but until then, I'm Rob and I'm Chad.
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Speaker 2:And we love you. We'll see you later, buddy.
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