Off The Hook
We are a group of private investigators, bounty hunters / fugitive recovery agents, and bail bondsmen that have been in this line of work for over twenty five years and have many stories to tell. We have traveled all over the country catching fugitives and bringing them back to have their day in court. With our years of experience we are trying to educate the public about bail and why it is a needed part of our judicial system.
Off The Hook
From Hollywood Drama to Election Drama
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Have you ever wondered what it takes to track down someone who's slipped through the cracks of the justice system? Join us on this thrilling election edition of the Off the Hook podcast as we, Chad and Rob, weave humor and tension into a narrative filled with real-life stories of fugitives, political chaos, and the importance of casting your vote. It's a wild ride through the reactions to Trump's hopeful election victory and the political antics that followed.
Our conversation takes a serious turn as we grapple with the economic and political landscape of recent years, voicing our frustrations with rising costs and the allocation of foreign aid. Through a lively discussion, we emphasize the necessity of voting for policies over personalities and share our thoughts on current leadership and local candidates. There's a fiery call to action here, urging everyone to make their voices heard at the ballot box. Whether you're a supporter or skeptic, the focus is on the power of your vote to shape the future.
The episode reaches a crescendo with our action-packed pursuit of "Hunter," a character whose life eerily mirrors a well-known figure. From California's gritty streets to a tense Hollywood stakeout, we recount our strategic maneuvers to bring this elusive fugitive to justice. Share in our misadventures as we navigate jurisdictional hurdles, track our target across state lines, and face a dramatic showdown. With humor and adrenaline fueling our journey, this episode promises an engaging mix of political reflections, personal anecdotes, and the relentless pursuit of justice.
When people are released from jail, they have the responsibility to appear in court, but some of these people choose to go on the run.
Speaker 2They go back home to mommy.
Speaker 1And that is when these guys come into the picture. So sit back and listen to the Off the Hook podcast with chad and rob very fine people on both sides. These are real stories, but the names have been changed.
Speaker 3Hello everybody, I'm Chad and I am Rob. What's going on, guys? And this is a special edition, election edition.
Speaker 1Oh yes, I'm off the hook.
Speaker 3Today's the big day.
Speaker 2Today's the big day, so Chad.
Speaker 3I'm embracing my Donald Doug.
Speaker 2Oh, I got it Just for today. Just for today, you got embracing my Donald Duck. Oh, I got it Just for today, just for today.
Speaker 3You got to squeak it, you got to squeak it.
Speaker 2There you go, all right, so I got him liking the duck. No, no, no this one in particular, just that one in particular.
Speaker 3It's the hairdo. It's the hairdo. Yeah, it's the Don.
Speaker 2Oh man, you know what? That that, that, that package I won at the conference.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's where it came in, right.
Speaker 2I got a coffee mug says Trump 2024. Man, I drink it, I think, all the time. I love that. I got my flag and shirts and all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was great. Yeah, that was cool because there was a lot of things that were being given away, yep, and you happened to scoop that one up. Yeah, I remember we were going through. We're like man, I want to win that one and that one and that one.
Speaker 2Yeah, I had a little too much to drink and I started putting my raffle tickets in bags. I didn't know. I had yeah that happens at conferences. So, well, all right. So it's election day. Yeah, everybody, all right. So if you don't know, if you're still on the fence about who you're voting for which I don't know why you would be but if you are, stop and take a look, because I've got this really good clip I'm going to play for us.
Speaker 3It's iconic.
Speaker 2yes, it's iconic because when Trump won, people lost their shit.
Speaker 3They lost their mind. You remember the little toboggan girl with the glasses?
Speaker 2Oh, this one right here, and we are grateful.
Speaker 3Hang on, donald J Trump is now president of the United States.
Speaker 2She's healing at the top of her lungs.
Speaker 3What a great honor to be able to introduce for the first time ever anywhere.
Speaker 1The 45th president of the United States of America, Donald.
Speaker 3Somebody needs to look this person up and see how they're doing.
Speaker 2I've never seen the extended version.
Speaker 1I'm so sorry To my world.
Speaker 2I'm so sorry to my world.
Speaker 1This is not what we want.
Speaker 2It is what we want, lady, and that's why they voted for him in.
Speaker 3Was that four years so bad for you, Was it?
Speaker 2I tell you what the past three and a half years has sucked.
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah, it ain't been great. You know, I was talking to my neighbor and he's like where everything goes up. I'm like dude in the past, Are?
Speaker 2you making excuses for spending more money.
Speaker 3Yeah, things go up, but not like they have the past four years.
Speaker 2so let's housing. Let's break this down chad. Let's break this down chad. Okay. So trump and did not inherit a good economy? Okay it, he inherited an economy that was a lot better than it is now. But the thing is, donald trump, to me as a voter, is looking after the us citizens of the united states. Yeah, at least he's doing that, looking after us, not everybody else. Man, we spend money like it's going out of style on illegal immigration, other countries, wars.
Speaker 3Print more, send it to Ukraine. I'm done I got into this argument with him. I'm like why do we have to send all this money to Ukraine? Well, they need support for the war. Okay, why don't you send them a tank? Why don't you send them a plane? Well, we do that too, Is what his response was.
Speaker 2Okay, and on top of that, a bunch of cash pallets of cash man, I think, the laundry and the money Absolutely To put it in their pockets. I'm just, I'm tired of the corruption, I'm tired of all the crap. You know? Listen, Mr Trump proved himself when he was in office last time?
Speaker 3Yes, absolutely. I don't care what a liberal tells me. We were better off that four years. The past four has been a joke. It's time to change. You guys regroup. Just admit it that your side sucks this time. Pick better people. I mean everything. His whole cabinet sucks, the people that he put in place. You guys just need to have a do-over and get it together for the next four while Trump's in place and pick some good people and come back with that. That's what I would do.
Speaker 2But whatever happened to taking care of us, you know, like the people, we're the ones that's paying their salaries.
Speaker 3Rob, you need to do your part. Man you know, suck it up, suck it up for another four. No, I'm kidding, don't we?
Speaker 2don't need to do that. We've done enough. Man, they can kiss my ass, dude Motherfuckers, I already paid them that this is explicit version.
Speaker 3Sometimes we do check that box.
Speaker 2Yeah, I know, yeah, I check it. It's not for kids, it just gets me. I hate it. I'm sitting here busting my butt trying to raise a family and people are not doing it and they're getting everything handed to them. That's not how it works. You work for what you want. So, other than that, there goes my rant. The hell with them. People, so I voted. I've already voted. People, so I voted. I've already voted.
Speaker 3but today is the day that you get to do your constitutional right yep and vote. It's your duty. Don't lose your duty, don't lose your privilege.
Speaker 2Matter of fact on the ballot yeah, when I was, uh, it was at the very end. It says do you are you for or against an amendment saying that you must be a US citizen and over the ages of 18 to vote? I didn't see that.
Speaker 3Really yeah, oh.
Speaker 2Nice, yeah, yeah, duh yeah. So it's stupid. Why would we let somebody else from another country vote on our politics and policies to run our country?
Speaker 3They haven't been part of the country to have any input.
Speaker 2Inference. Yeah, yeah. So today's the day, so please go out and vote. And Chad's got it.
Speaker 3Sure, and yeah he has got it. Yeah, so this this does say Pender County, but you've got your people on here that you know. Obviously, trump, jd Vance, but this is a North Carolina ballot, I mean voter, voter guide. So people Mark Robinson for governor. David Rauser, us representative Weatherman. Lieutenant governor David Rauser, us Representative Weatherman. Lieutenant Governor Dan Bishop, attorney General List goes on and on. We'll get down to courts and things like that.
Speaker 2I voted for Mike Causey. Mike Causey, yeah, doing a good job at their deal.
Speaker 3He regulates us and he's been doing good, so I think he should keep the position.
Speaker 2I'm really interested to see the, the local one, here to da for for sure for jason, yeah I'm really interested at.
Speaker 3But interesting, a lot of democrats are uh voting for voting for a republican in that field, so evidently they don't have a lot of trust in uh on it.
Speaker 2That's a democrat yeah, yeah, I'm not a big fan of her, so but djt, baby, dj, djt gotta put them back, gotta send them back to the white house put it look if, all right. So if you're a liberal or democrat and you just don't want to vote for him, you probably not listen to.
Speaker 3If you're gonna vote that way, just stay home. If you're not crazy about either one of them, then you're going to lean toward Tomorrow's election day for you. I mean, you know, just you know. If you don't like Trump but you don't like Kamala which I know you don't you're just doing it because you don't like Trump. That's a poor way to vote. That's out of hatred for the other person. It's not a good way to punish the whole country.
Speaker 3And you're punishing yourself, which I don't. They self-loathe a lot, so there's that. They're usually angry people, have you noticed, very angry, I saw one in the voting line.
Speaker 2Yeah, they're just miserable. She had a skunk up her nose.
Speaker 3It's misery loves company. But look you don't have to drag everybody down just if you're going to vote for harris.
Speaker 2Just stay at home, all right so let me uh hang on, we, we ain't getting there yet. I don't know why I did that, oh well, what are we doing?
Speaker 3oh, we're getting into.
Speaker 2We're getting ready. So, oh yeah, this is gonna be a fun one all right. So we have saved this story for a long since we started, because we really wanted to talk about it. But what a perfect way to explain what we do and telling you the story of this capture and showing you if you vote on the left side, you won't have us to go out to do this Want to do away with their job.
Speaker 3That's part of their agenda.
The Hunt for Hunter
Speaker 2Yeah, so we have named this man who. We named this man for someone. I did not like this man. I hated this man.
Speaker 3Yeah, so we named this character you know we give everybody funny names rather than their real names we named him hunter because he has a lot of similarity to another famous hunter. This guy drugs, drugs he was, and lots and lots of firearm charges. Yeah, he had a lot of firearm charges. Remember there's another famous one that lied about his application to get a gun, and then there's another one that the same one that likes his nose candy. Oh smokes his crack. Yeah, that too Smokes his crack.
Speaker 2Either way you can get it in Either way crack cocaine, same damn thing, whatever. So we named him Hunter. So now, on election day, we have to tell this story because if it wasn't for us, he would be God knows where doing God knows what. He never he went to prison. And we got to tell you this because if you vote one way, you're going to do away with us, and it's not cool. So it is story time for Hunter. I can tell stories I got too much to tell. I can tell stories I got too much to tell. I can tell stories I got too much to tell.
Speaker 3I can tell stories. I got too much to tell. I can tell stories. I got too much to tell. I can't NBC Like that girl, Connie.
Speaker 2I was trying to do Cranberry Vampire. Yeah, yeah yeah, save that one. We're going to save it for later. So Hunter Hunter is a $30,000 bond out of Brunswick County.
Speaker 3Yeah, he's one of ours and we told you some of his charges. They were gun related he stole a bunch of guns out of a house and drug charges, and this was back in COVID. That's how far back this one goes. The beginning of COVID is when we when we we started this, I believe. Is that right? It might've been before that. I know that COVID was around that period of time. It was before it was before it was before COVID. Yeah, I had to think about it. It was before it was before.
Speaker 2COVID. It was before COVID. Yeah, I had to think about it for a minute. It was before COVID.
Speaker 3We made another trip after that to Vegas, and then Vegas is when it hit. Yeah, it hit while we were in Vegas. Yeah, because we were hearing all about this stuff.
Speaker 2We were like we might need to get back, Worried about getting home. Yeah, I remember that was at a conference we went to in vegas anyway. Um, so thirty thousand dollars bond out of brunswick county. I bonded this kid out and it was. It was a. It was a. You know from from our standpoint, the way we do business. It was good bond yeah, his mother co-signed.
Speaker 3um, she, you know, you know house and uh, I think it was along the beaches out here somewhere and you know it seemed like he just had an issue. He was going to go to rehab and then he's going to take care of his court stuff. Well, rehabs are tricky for us because the confidentiality that they have once they enter a treatment facility it's difficult.
Speaker 2It's difficult, but there is a law in HIPAA to where if you have a felony warrant they must give them up to you. But we'll get into that a little bit later.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2So Mr Hunter, here he was a slick one, he tried being slick. It went on for a while. The case went on for a while and then Mama calls us and says hey look, he's going to rehab. I'm sending him out to rehab in California. And we're like all right, well, you need to tell us where.
Speaker 3Yeah, for starters, you're not supposed to leave the court's jurisdiction, which is the state line, right, and she's basically telling us that she's going to send him out there. And we're like, whoa, no, that's not how this goes. We need to know and we didn't get that information at first. Yeah, and California, from what we can tell, has a lot of rehabs out there. The problem with doing this is the county will not, or the state won't, put you in NCIC, only for the surrounding states.
Speaker 2So for us being in North Carolina. We're looking at Tennessee, virginia and South Carolina, but now we got to remind them the charges though. Yeah, so he had 17 weapon charges, now 17, not one or two 17, and they wouldn't put him in.
Speaker 3Yeah, they still wouldn't put him in NCIC.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 3And so by him going all the way out, there, the governments I mean the county or the state they're not going to send anybody after him.
Speaker 2So we get all of our. We have to get all of our paperwork right. Yeah, it has to be in order. So we get certified copies of warrants, certified copies of everything.
Speaker 3Yeah, we're getting everything to go if we're gonna make that trip.
Speaker 2Yeah, so this was heavily planned out. Um, so we found out he was there. I think he was on the phone with you. Um, I think he called you because you were you were talking to do, you were talking to the dude about trying to fix this and he was kind of him hauling around.
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah, he's like I'm going to come back. I'm going to come back. Meanwhile, you know our clock's ticking and we've given him plenty of time to get this.
Speaker 2You know straight Um he's lying to us too, cause I think you do get in touch with his attorney and his attorney is like, look, he's not doing what he's supposed to do. Yeah.
Speaker 3Yeah, we always look for the attorney that's handling the case and get their perspective. If they say that they're not able to talk to their client, you know, then you know it's not looking like he's going to.
Speaker 2No, so we have to make a decision whether to go, and Chad's like you know, since this dude's out in California, we need to go and we know where he's at and I'm like Chad, I know I'm, I'm with you.
Speaker 3So it's funny though, like so. Do you remember? Back then we were, we were on the golf cart riding around downtown and I think we were going to lunch and we got a call from a lady in california. Remember that she was. She worked, uh, with um, what is that? Tmz?
Speaker 2oh, yeah, yeah, because we were doing, uh, rugged productions is who we said that was a separate.
Speaker 3Yeah, that was a separate group.
Speaker 3So evidently back then there was a push for um like bounty hunting type shows, but not like doll, but more reality, like yeah yeah, yeah, exactly, it was based on the, the, the live pd, um version of bail bonding and we were going to be like the east coast group. There would have been one in atlanta, one in washington state and one in, I think, ohio or somewhere and, um, we got a call from this producer that worked with tmz and they're like you know, we'd like to. You know, put you on, this is warner brothers, and she was trying to tell you. I was like well, we're kind of with another group already. It's weird, we had two in one week and we signed with them. They sent somebody out and we signed with them and everything.
Speaker 3They're like well, you know, it's like, but we are coming to california, just so happens, we're going to be out in la area and, uh, she's like bring your contract, my boss, harvey the little, the little guy, yeah, um, he's an attorney. And she's like my boss would, uh, look at that and see, you know how, if he can get you out of that anyway. So, while we're out there, we're like all right, we're gonna make a trip of this. So it was me, you and james, and uh, we all booked our flights to go out to la one way we didn't one way.
Speaker 2Yep, we didn't schedule anything back. Yeah, so we're coming back with hunter. You hear me?
Speaker 3yeah, we'll come back with this shit here so we get out, we we book our flight, we get to la and um, I figure, hey, we're in california, let's get a tesla, you know, because they're yeah, and we took.
Speaker 2We took like a, we took a day to ourselves there to kind of like yeah, we hit santa monica pier yeah we ate there.
Speaker 3Yeah, we ate on the pier, and what's funny is you know they're all about? I figured it would be all about electric cars and we had that thing and there was nowhere to charge it. Ah no, right it was Sam's Club and Costco, and they had all the charges and the dealership too. Yeah, and like everybody was there already, you had to wait in line.
Speaker 2It was ridiculous I it wasn't planned out at that time.
California Investigation
Speaker 3I hope you know it's been a few years ago so hopefully it's better, but it was horrible I remember walking down hollywood like oh yeah, yeah, we did the hollywood star thing, you know, and we were uh looking at all those and that place is nasty yeah they did. I mean, it's across from the man uh.
Speaker 2Chinese theater yeah it's like dirt everything's dirty everything's.
Speaker 3There's a bunch of homeless everywhere feces like in different spots, like homeless people and stuff it was really gross.
Speaker 2They put it like they set a fire on donald trump's star.
Speaker 3He I think he has two. Did we see two? No, I don't know, I don't know anyway. Um, yeah, they're constantly messing with his star, um, and. And we kept running into all these people there and, like I had a question, I mean I wanted to ask, I'm curious, like, what keeps you here? Every one of them said the weather. That was their only answer was the weather. I, the whole time we were there it was overcast, remember yeah, but it was sunny in some parts.
Speaker 2I mean it was, look, I it was dirty as hell, homeless, everywhere it sucked and we were there for like four or five days yeah we yeah, we had that tesla like maxed out on the highway remember, oh god, james was driving that day.
Speaker 3I was in a bag, he was flying.
Speaker 2I don't get car sickness at all. I've never had it before in my life. Until that day he was flying down. I said it was, it was this down to 77.
Speaker 3I forget what the highway was, but it was just like he was hauling ass and and that thing and um, it was like a s series um the the long two-door yeah, it sucked.
Speaker 2It sucked being in the back seat. Yeah, it was fast um but we did get a nice picture.
Speaker 3It's behind you um oh yeah yeah, grab that picture that was, that was in the hills, and you can. You can see the Hollywood thing in the background. That's her.
Speaker 2Yeah, we were driving trying to figure out where to go. We were heading to one of the places he was at and we were going through these hills and we pulled over. I was like, hey, let's take a picture right here.
Speaker 3That was right after our meeting with them at the TMZ.
Speaker 2So, anyway, all right, back to Hunter. So we get to California, take a day to ourselves, we go through, check Hollywood out, we check LA out and then, all right, so we get a room. Remember the room the beds were made. I think the beds were made for midgets.
Speaker 3Yeah, they were real short. I couldn't figure it out. I was like what are they expecting? Like earthquakes and you fall out or something, or I didn't know what that was.
Speaker 2They were almost like futon, but they were like tall futon beds or something so, uh, we get a hotel and we start doing our uh investigation. So hunter doesn't know we're there because before we left, remember, we're like hey, you know, we're going to meet with your attorney and blah, blah blah to keep so.
Speaker 3So by this time we're basically we know mom's mom is keeping him from us yeah, he's, she doesn't suspect anything about us going to, uh, california. So we had her. Um, we said, look, we need to get a. So we had her. We said, look, we need to get a letter, we need some kind of communication with him to to, you know, we need to be in contact with him.
Speaker 2So he felt safe because he was in California. Right, he felt really safe because he was in California.
Speaker 3Yeah, little did he know we're, we were there, we're not that far.
Speaker 2And we were on the phone with them too, while we're there talking about hey, you know blah blah blah.
Speaker 3We feeding them a lot of bullshit because we're just trying to keep them talking to us. I remember that we went to where the recovery place was based like I don't remember the name of it, but let's say it's shady acres recovery or whatever and you remember we went there and I lost my shit because yeah, we're getting to that.
Speaker 2We're getting to that, we're getting to that. I've never look, chad doesn't believe this shit.
Speaker 3I was really angry. He was really mad. We flew a long way. He was big mad.
Speaker 2He went Hulk mad.
Speaker 3I did.
Speaker 2So we'll get to that in a second. So we're there and remember we were talking. We're talking to him and he said something about buses, Uh-huh, and I don't know how, during the investigation going from one one recovery house to another, but we found out that he checked out and into a halfway house.
Speaker 3Yeah, they keep them in houses and they pay rent out there. So, yeah, outside of Anaheim yeah.
Speaker 2And so we, we go to Anaheim and we get a hotel there and we were on the, the Disney property.
Speaker 3Yeah, one one Disney and it sounds like some gunfire going off. I'm like it sounded like some gunfire going off.
Speaker 2I'm like what the hell is that. And then she goes Disneyland, yeah.
Speaker 1Is it Disneyland or Disney World? Disneyland, disney World is in Florida.
Speaker 2It's right outside of our hotel room. So we're like, what the shit, you know? So we know he's in Anaheim. We go to the police department and we talk to Anaheim PD and we showed them all of our documents and they're like yeah, okay, have fun. Yeah, no problem if you need to call us. I'm like okay, so I know, and also before, um, we get any further, we had to look up when we go to california we were taking our guns with us.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, that's another weird thing about california so you have to follow their gun laws from state to state whenever you go into it. So we we look up the california gun laws, find out. You cannot have a magazine that holds any more than 10 bullets, so of course I had a glock 30 and you couldn't travel.
Speaker 3Yeah, bullets either.
Speaker 2Yeah, you couldn't travel, you had to buy the bullets there yeah, and speaking of, I wore my lax ammunition shirt when I voted. Uh, did you? Yeah, it was pretty cool. Yeah, yeah. As soon as I walked in, I was like everybody knows who I'm voting for and my girl was like yep.
Speaker 3Yeah, so we went out to the LAX ammunition gun range and it was really funny because our gun shops here gun ranges here you go in and there's like a glass case and there's guns underneath it, right, right right. And then there's like on the back shelf, there's like stacks of ammo, and you remember, there they had ropes roped off. Yeah, Remember it was like in movie theaters, with those ropes, you know.
Speaker 3Yeah, and you can't just grab a box of ammo. No, you couldn't walk up, you had to come up there and they had to call you up there through the ropes and they had boxes of ammunition under the glass. They weren't guns.
Speaker 1There were no guns there.
Speaker 3It was kind of hilarious. It was all ammunition. Yeah, I was like what is it? You're showcasing ammunition Like it's on a shelf behind the guns where we're from.
Speaker 2So we, so that was so. They gave us free t-shirts, because they found out what we were there for.
Speaker 3They were cool with us. Yeah, they were really cool.
Hollywood Stakeout and Takedown
Speaker 2And then we uh. Later on that day we met a harvey at tmz yeah, yeah, we went to silicon beach.
Speaker 3I think that's what it was called do we have a where's that it's over there. That's a picture of harvey.
Speaker 2Oh, yeah, yeah it's a picture of us and harvey yes, we went and we met with the lady.
Speaker 3She's a, uh, one of the producers that works for him. It's a weird setup. It's like a big circle in there, I remember, and they put us in that room and like that big bowls of candy everywhere that people live off candy in that place. Um, but he had like a raised up thing above everybody, cause he's kind of a little short guy, and, um, we met him at the end.
Speaker 2Yeah, I mean short guy and um, we met him at the end and yeah, I mean they were really cool, even though we don't know what. Yeah, you kind of figured it on one side of the other, but yeah it's, but they were cool with us, um, so, anyway, get back to anaheim. So we're in anaheim and we're figuring this out and we, we know he's on a bus transit system is how he gets around?
Speaker 3Yeah, he goes to his little uh meetings.
Speaker 2So we go into, we go into the uh one recovery home place.
Speaker 3That's the main one, that that I guess all these others have to. Yeah, they get there.
Speaker 2So we go in and and Chad, I guess, that to him. So we go in and we're got to talk to him. So we go in, we're talking to him, saying, hey look, you know, we're here for him, we got a felony warrant, here's the HIPAA law. We don't you know?
Speaker 3we don't play this shit out. We brought it all out. We weren't taking any chances on missing anything. We show him the law, we show him the statutes that we have on coming to get someone everything that he signed.
Speaker 2And what does the lady tell you, Chad?
Speaker 3All right. So this little lady in California. She says, well, my manager is on a hike right now, everybody in California is hiking. All right, my friends in California, y'all do a lot of hiking. That's cool. She said, well, he'll when he comes back from his hike. Um, I can have them reach out to you. That's a polite way of brushing me off.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 3And uh, I was like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we drove, excuse me, we flew a long way to make this happen.
Speaker 2We're not doing this we're not leaving.
Speaker 3Yeah, we're going to go take care of this now. And she kept you know being very Stand up.
Speaker 2I cannot confirm or deny.
Speaker 3That's the line. I cannot confirm or deny.
Speaker 2I said, look, I don't give a damn if you confirm or deny shit. You don't tell us where he's at. And then, yeah, I don't give a damn if he's going to die of shit, you don't tell us where he's at. And then Chad here goes. I mean he just does the Hulk on the table, bam, with his hands. He goes quit telling me that I heard you the first damn time, listen to me. And she was all scared. Finally, uh, the manager did call us. She got ahold of the manager, yeah, and he did call us and said look, we were already on the road by then, weren't we?
Speaker 2Uh, we were outside the front door. We just left, yeah, and we were getting in the car and he calls yes, he's staying.
Speaker 3He tells us where he's staying, I'm like all right, cool, so we get in a car and this is where we're doing 180 miles an hour, you know. Yeah, because we got to book it from that location to actually the neighborhood that he's staying in. He's staying in a house and he's he was on foot going to, I guess, a bus station hang on.
Speaker 2We get there to the neighborhood and we and we're seeing the bus. There's a bus stop and we and we're figuring out where the house is versus the bus stop and James is driving.
Speaker 3There was a park that we went to and we kind of just hung out there to get our bearings and sit there and try to figure things out. I think we pulled up a map or something and we were looking.
Speaker 2And so we drive by the house, right, and don't see anything. Okay, cool, we go down to the cul-de-sac and we turn around in the cul-de-sac right, we're coming back.
Speaker 3We pass the house again and we look and we were on the phone with his mother at the time and I'm she doesn't know, we're there still, yeah, and um, you know, I'm telling her I really need to talk to him. I've got to get this information. This is important. I was making up some stuff at this point because she wasn't being honest with me.
Speaker 2I'm not gonna be honest with her, so we're driving and we're about five, six houses past right and we're coming up. I see a guy walking and I'm looking, everybody's suspect at this time.
Speaker 3Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2And we pass him. I go James, that's him, oh yeah, and he goes, no shit. I said, turn this damn bitch around. I'm going to pull up, just pull up and let me out, and I'm, he's on. He's got headphones in.
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2So he's not going to hear me. I said I'm going to run up and I'm just going to tackle him.
Speaker 3And we're in an electric car. You can't hear us coming. You can't right.
Speaker 2So he's like, okay, cool. So he turns around and I got my eyes on him like a hawk. I have straight tunnel vision on this man, yeah yeah. He is not leaving my sight. So I get out of the back seat and I am running like like hussein bolt from jamaica we had, we had, we had him boxed in man yeah, yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 2By the time I get it right to him, james, anytime to just right, pulls in front of him, blocks him off and he's paying attention to the car. He's not paying attention what's behind him. I hit him like a damn ton of bricks man. His soul come out of his body and come right back in, and so we're getting him in handcuffs and we throw him in the car we take off. It's like you know that scene from uh uh old school with will ferrell get in.
Speaker 2Yeah, you're coming with us, yeah so we're in, we're in the car and we're like we took off, and so he's like what's going on? What he has no like, he hasn't even put it together.
Speaker 3Yet that is us, right, right, yeah. I mean, who's going to think that somebody is going to come all the way from North Carolina to California right, so we get them and we get back, all right.
Speaker 3So we're so okay. Back up, like we get in the car, rob gets on the computer and starts because you had all our information, or booking, yeah, I keep. So you got to start like, looking for flights. Yeah, because, see, when we go we have no clue how long this is going to take. And so he's looking for flights and we figure out, well, the next flight's like I want to say it was like 1030 the next morning, something like that?
Speaker 2Yeah, it was the next day.
Speaker 3Yeah, the next day, because now when?
Speaker 2you're on the West Coast, trying to fly to the East Coast, you're taking a lot of red eyes or you're having to fly out early in the morning so you can get back here at a decent time in the afternoon at night.
Speaker 3Okay, yeah, so you get, you get on there and you book four flights now, yes, yep, and so keep in mind, this is me flipping the bill for all this. Yeah, all right, not the taxpayer.
Speaker 2It's not cheap to fly from LA to Wilmington.
Speaker 3Right. So also we got to have somewhere to stay.
Speaker 2Yeah, right, jesus.
Speaker 3This and also we've got to have somewhere to stay. Yeah Right, oh Jesus, this is where it gets even more funny this whole trip. So I have some apps. I have like Hilton Honors, whatever, and I'm like, well, hilton's a nice hotel and let's look at what's by the airport. That's right, but yeah, it's right next to it, it's right at the airport, so that way we can get up in the morning and, you know, catch the flight. So I book a flight, excuse me, I book a hotel room for the Hilton and anyway we're all sleeping in the same room.
Speaker 3Yeah. We get there and we open the door to the Hilton and you know nice, nice place, open the door. And you know nice nice place, open the door and the first thing we see is a girl on a table in leather and people like and this woman comes walking by with a dude in a leash.
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah, yeah and like so again we catch somebody, we have them in handcuffs and we put a shirt or a jacket over so you don't look like we're not trying to further embarrass you or make other people uncomfortable. So we cover it up. Well, we walk in and there's this girl on the table in leather and whatever. Yeah, it's like. So it turns out they're having a S&M Dom-Con, dom-m, dom-con, dom-con, dom-con. Yeah, you look that one up. Yeah, it was a big event for you know.
Speaker 2And what did the lady come up and tell us she goes, that's all y'all got.
Speaker 3Yeah, our game was weak. We just had some dude in handcuffs.
Speaker 2We're just like what the fuck is going. So it took it took them some time to get our room. So we're sitting in the lobby just kind of kind of in.
Speaker 3All I like what the hell just watching people walk by with I mean, there was chick with, you know, these huge boots and a big old mallet and like, and then some little dude on a leash and like what the?
Speaker 2hell is this, and some tight latex.
Speaker 3Oh yeah, you remember the old guy that had some kind of metal contraption over his junk.
Speaker 2Oh dude, it was wild bro.
Speaker 3I mean, I just was like wow, I'm just an old country boy from North Carolina we're not used to this, so um, so we get a room and dude's being cool with us so far so far, yeah, we're, and we're cool with him. Like I said, we're always, you know, nice to him, as long as they're nice with us.
Speaker 2Um so we get up, like it's late, we're on, like we make a nice pallet between two beds and we chain them to the bed. So you know we've got to get back up.
Escape From the Hospital
Speaker 3People are like what? Yeah, so we have to sleep and we have to worry about him through the night, so we have to take turns staying up with this guy to make sure he doesn't do anything, but he is handcuffed, but we try to make him. He doesn't do anything, but he is handcuffed, but he also is. We try to make him as comfortable as possible. Do you remember like in the middle of the night he starts faking a heart attack?
Speaker 2yeah, you remember that yeah, yeah, chad, me and chad are on this little bed like we're. We're sleeping on top of it and just kind of our arms crossed and our head against the pillow, one eye open yeah, it's not.
Speaker 3It's not. You're not getting quality sleep here. Yeah, and he was like.
Speaker 2He was like oh, I think I'm having a heart attack. I'm like let me check your pulse, so I'm checking paul. I'm like, dude, you're fine.
Speaker 3And he was like, oh, he's, and you gotta worry I mean you know, if he's there for a drug rehab, I mean you know he could be having something. So we got to take it seriously and I don't want anybody dying on my watch.
Speaker 2So I used to be EMT here in Wilmington a long time ago. So I'm like, all right, let me check it, I'll check his vitals. Checking his vitals, he's fine. So I'm like, yeah, dude, whatever. So I'm like, suck it up, you'll be all right, you're just dope sick.
Speaker 3And finally he just kind of it went away all of a sudden.
Speaker 2Right right, right, we get. Yeah, we get through the night, get through the night and we get out. We get up next morning. We're like all right, let's go. So we go outside. This time I was, I was smoking cigarettes. That time I I quit a little over a year ago. Good for me. So, uh. So I'm like all right, let's go smoke a cigarette. So we go outside to smoke and he's sitting there in handcuffs and we're smoking.
Speaker 3Oh, is this where we're at the bus station? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like they were going to some kind of like a lot of these people dressed up in all these costumes and stuff. This lady came by and she was in like what do you call that?
Speaker 2Spandex type material latex yeah.
Speaker 3And her boobs were like spilling out and she had a whip. She had a little whip. And like our guys out there in handcuffs, smoking a cigarette, and it's at the bus stop and they're waiting to leave and she's like pretending to whip him in his handcuffs.
Speaker 2He's like go ahead and whip me he was just laughing about it.
Speaker 3We were making fun of it. He was having a good time.
Speaker 2Yeah. So they actually told him he was a bad boy and hit him on the butt with a whip. So we get on the bus and we get to LAX. Now, because it was a last-minute booking, we had two stops. First, we had to leave from LAX and go to Vegas, then from Vegas to Charlotte, charlotte to Wilmington. So we leave LAX, we get to Vegas. Well, there was a delay in Vegas.
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah, the whole thing got delayed, but yeah, our first delay was in Vegas.
Speaker 2Oh, back up, back up, or go back to lax. Remember what he did in in a terminal right before we did so, yeah, we're waiting to get on the plane.
Speaker 3Now we have to okay the our flights and transporting a prisoner on a plane with the pilot. We're okay through him right yeah, we're all good now we're the first one to board the plane with him and we have to go to the back. We sit in the very back. All right, we're the last to get off, but we're the first to get on. We're sitting there waiting for our turn to get on and this guy starts faking like saying he's going to get sick.
Speaker 2Yeah, throws up right in the middle of the terminal.
Speaker 3We're trying to get him breakfast, we're all eating, and he throws up and people start looking at him. Remember, yeah, they started getting their phones out and recording. We're these mean people because we got him in handcuffs.
Speaker 2Y'all took him to the bathroom. Oh, we had a discussion in the bathroom about how he needed to straighten he was pissing me off, yeah, so we.
Speaker 3We took him to the bathroom, explained that he was getting on that plane and there was nothing I didn't care if we had to duct tape his ass to the wing yeah, his ass is going to straighten up and fly right, so got it all cleaned up, we get on the plane yeah, and he was fine.
Speaker 2Sleeps over to the vegas yeah, get to vegas, he's fine, fine. Sleeps over to Vegas yeah, get to Vegas, he's fine.
Speaker 3Fine and dandy.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, mysteriously it's all gone His mama sent him some money to gamble with at the machine.
Speaker 3Yeah, he's in there in handcuffs and pulling the slot machines and stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 2We got some time to waste. Our flight got delayed, delayed, delayed. So we finally got on a plane to get to charlotte. Well, by the time we get to charlotte, we missed our flight from charlotte to wilmington because of the delays in vegas. So yeah, we're tired, we're exhausted by the time we get to charlotte, because we haven't had no sleep in days a couple days.
Speaker 3Yeah, it's it, it's rough.
Speaker 2And so I had that idea.
Speaker 3I'm like hey, yeah, so once we get um in the in the boundaries of North Carolina, uh, by statute we can surrender to any sheriff, meaning you know, whatever County we're in, they can, they can come pick them up. So we called some friends that work in that county yeah, and they said call charlotte metro and they met us as we were exiting the plane.
Speaker 3We didn't tell him though no, we didn't. We didn't let him know anything. So they looked up the warrants, confirmed and they took him from us all. Right now the airport's crowded because everybody's been delayed because of the weather and everything. It was just a madhouse in that place.
Speaker 2And it's the day before Mother's Day.
Speaker 3Was it.
Speaker 2Yeah, it was the day before Mother's.
Speaker 3Day. Oh wow, I didn't remember that. Okay, so we head down to go get our luggage and there's just everybody's down there it was stupid crowded, yeah. And we finally get our luggage and then I hear an ambulance. Yeah, ambulance come up, Ambulance. And I was like nah it can't be our guy. Out of all these people. It can't be our guy. There's no way.
Speaker 2Well, by the time we get something to eat and we're staying downtown in Charlotte, we got a hotel because it was late, because our flight left the next day to get back to Wilmington. So we get something to eat and lay down.
Speaker 3I remember it's three. Oh, it was tough to find a hotel. It was three o'clock in the morning by the time we laid down.
Speaker 2We were exhausted, yeah. And next thing, you know, at 630 in the morning, my phone rings. I'm like what the hell? Why is my phone? Who is this? So what the hell? Why is my phone? Who is this? So I'm like hello, this is captain such and such from Charlotte Metro, PD. Just want to let you know the fugitive that you brought from California has escaped from the hospital.
Speaker 3Yeah, it was him that he faked another heart attack and they bought it and took him to the hospital. They were standing outside the uh the uh, the room that he was being held in, and the officer got off of his duty and nobody relieved him and he just left. So this dude up and leaves and now we haven't got the warrant served on him, so technically we're still on the line.
Speaker 2We've got to get him again.
Speaker 3We've got to figure it out again. So we're I the bond we got to get them again.
Speaker 2We got to figure it out again. So we're we're I can't tell you like we didn't know what, like we didn't know if this was true or not we're still trying to like get our marbles together, cause we're ain't have a three hour sleep, and so I'm like all right, so we get our shit together, we go downstairs, we get an Uber.
The Hunter Hunt
Speaker 3So yeah, All right. So there's something that we forgot to mention in all this. What's that Was a person that helped us.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, well, I was getting there, so Hunter's girlfriend.
Speaker 3Yeah, hunter's girlfriend. Ex's girlfriend, ex-girlfriend whatever acquaintance, um, anyway, um, she calls me and is like what's going on? And I'm like she's like, I just got a call from Hunter and he says that he's in Charlotte and he's, you know, trying to.
Speaker 2He needs money for a charger.
Speaker 3Yeah, his phone's about to die, and it's now 7 o'clock in the morning, 730, something like that, and he's got a credit card on him, a phone and his ID, I think that's about it. Yep, and he's calling mom to put some money on his card and mama's helping him. Now, right, mama's helping him, mama put some on there, but his phone's about to die. So I'm thinking, all right, and she says before his phone died, he said he was going into Walgreens or CVS, I think it was Walgreens.
Speaker 3One of those drugstores, and so I got on Google real quick for my location.
Speaker 2And the hospital he was at was downtown, yeah, and so there was a key thing that she said.
Speaker 3She said hospital he was at was downtown there was, yeah, and so there was a key thing that she said. She said that he was on a one of these scoot. If you ever go to these big cities, they got little scooters they got them in raleigh too, yeah any big city.
Speaker 3They got little scooters around that you can put your card on and swipe and it'll let you ride it. Yeah, yeah, so she said that he was on a scooter, so that that tells me he's within the city limit, right, all right, so we were staying outside, so we're looking at Walgreens. Yeah, we're looking at Walgreens that are near us.
Speaker 2And there's only one.
Speaker 3There's only one that's opening up and like 10 minutes or something, and so we get Uber driver to take us over there.
Speaker 2First let me tell you how we got to zoom driver to take us over there. First let me tell you how we got to the Uber driver. So as soon as we got there, we tell them what we're doing and who we are and we're like hey, we're just going to keep giving you 20s in cash to just drive us around. He was like, okay, cool, it was a van, right. So we get over here to where the Walgreens is and we're like all right, stay right here. Chad, you go around this way. Me and james are going to go around the front entrance yeah, so we're trying to go around a city block?
Speaker 3yeah, and we've.
Speaker 2We're going to go around where cbs, but cb now the walgreens is inside of a uh, on the first floor as soon as you walk in of a tower. So it's inside, yeah. So we go in and james is like i't know. He's like 60 feet from me, to my right, and we're walking and I'm looking, we're I mean we're just looking for cause there's nobody out. Yeah, it's early in the morning on a Sunday morning, mother's day. There's nobody out and we're looking. I hear hey, hey.
Speaker 2And I looked over at James. He goes. I see him he's through the breezeway standing there. I'm like all right, cool. So we run over there to the breezeway and we stop. I'm like he's trapped, he can't go nowhere. How do you want to do this, james? James, he goes, I don't know. I said I'll tell you what. Let's hide behind these pillars. And when he walks through these doors, I said we're jumping. He was like okay, so we're hiding behind these pillars. He comes walking through the door and the pillar I'm behind is a little bit closer to James and James is over there. I'm keeping eye contact with James and so Hunter walks through these doors and as soon as he comes down and he sees me, his eyeballs get huge and I'm so mad because I like we like remind you no sleep, pissed off gotta find his ass, gotta find his ass again and he had something like a little box cutter in his hand that he found somehow.
Speaker 2And anyway, when I started coming after him, he, he hit me with it and I got a nice scar right here from it. And when I hit him, I hit him like a ton of bricks again and we hit the wall. We went through the wall and then back on the ground and we're fighting. We're, we're straight up fighting. There's a big hole in the wall, there's blood everywhere. It's my blood and it ended up being his. I mean, we're fighting, we're beating him and he's fighting back too. Now that's why we're trying to get him in handcuffs. James gets on him and we finally get him in handcuffs, we pick him up and we start walking and I remember calling you going hey, chad, we got him, we're on our way back to the van and we walked out, yeah, and there was a there was a Charlotte police officer, yep, and he's like do you want me to take him for you?
Speaker 3We were like, no Hell, no Hell no. You fumbled it last time.
Speaker 3I don't want you touching this guy so we finally get him back to the Uber, to the um, the Uber, and we're like, hey man, what are you doing for the rest of the day? It's like he's like I don't know why. And it turns out he used to be um, he was um, uh, stuart, on a airplane and he was retired and he was just, you know, doing Uber on the side and um, anyway, when you know he figured out, you know, know, we told him what we do and everything, we're like man, there are no vehicles, because people's, you know, because all these flight delays, there's just nothing that all you can get is an uber. We're like will you take us to brunswick, county, north carolina? This is literally four and a half hours, four and a half hours, four and a half hours away. And he's like okay.
Speaker 2And I told him I had an Airbnb at the time and Airbnb was open and I was like look bro, I'll give you a free place to stay for the night.
Speaker 3He was like oh, I'm down, he made good money. He drove us all back in his minivan.
Speaker 2Yeah, I think I gave him like 60 bucks to go out to eat.
Speaker 3Yeah, just, you know he got to see another place, you know, at the beach, and so he was happy yeah.
Speaker 2So we all right, so we're getting a van. We're getting a van and, oh God, we're like 50 minutes in. This is a great story. So we got about 10 more minutes left, so we get in a van and we're driving back. Now, at this time this has been years and years ago At this time, the lady my ex knew him and he knew her anyway, he knew us through that way too also, and I looked at him and he started complaining. I was like shut the hell up, dude, I don't want to hear from you. No, more.
Speaker 2I'm like shut the hell up dude, I don't want to hear from you, no more, I'm like dude. And I told him I was like dude, you ever come near me or my family? I said I will put a bullet in you, period. And he shut up the entire ride home. I had duct tape and a towel wrapped around my hand and we get to brunswick county jail four hours later, go go into the jail. I'm like no, we need to see the nurses because he's gonna pull this crap with you guys. We ain't doing this again. So I walked back there with him and the nurses and I was like tell them you're okay, because you're fine don't even try that bullshit.
Speaker 3Yep, you're not faking it this time. And I had them sign our paperwork because once they sign our paperwork, they're in their custody. So we got that and we're like done yeah.
Speaker 2They put some butterfly on my hand, said good luck. And I looked at him. I said you can kiss my ass, I'll see you later. We left. I said good luck and I looked at him. I said you can kiss my ass, I'll see you later. We left.
Speaker 2We dropped you guys off, and me and the Airbnb guy, me and our tax cab driver our Uber guy we got back to the house, I was like here, here's 60 bucks, here's a good place to go Go eat. You got a place for a night. You can stay however long you need tomorrow. I go eat. You got a place for a night. You can stay to however long you need tomorrow. I don't care, but I'm taking my ass into a shower and a bed because we were gone.
Speaker 3We're wiped out after one of those trips.
Speaker 2We were gone for five days.
Speaker 3Yeah, that's right. Yeah, we were gone for a week.
Speaker 2And it was mother's day too.
Speaker 3California for a little while yeah.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's a. I never want to do that again. That was horrible.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 2That guy was a piece of shit, but that was what a story.
Speaker 3right, it is a story, the DomCon thing.
Speaker 2Between DomCon and meeting TMZ, and walking down Hollywood Boulevard tackling this guy in the middle of Anaheim sidewalk to the flights, to the, you know, to Charlotte, fighting with them and like you can't make this shit up, man, I'm telling you Day in the life of a bail bondsman man.
Speaker 2So when you go vote today, when you go vote today, remember when you're voting, vote for the people who want to keep us around, Because if you don't, you're going to have somebody like Mr Hunter, who was in California running on 17 gun charges and multiple drug charges. He's going to be out doing whatever he wants to to whoever he wants to and who knows who he would have hurt Period.
Speaker 3So the victim had their day in court with him. So we made it whole. I mean that works.
Speaker 2Man Exhausting. We've been wanting to tell that story for a long time.
Speaker 3Yeah, that one's a trip and a half dude.
Speaker 2Man, that's 54 minutes. Yep, okay, 50 more four minutes. I can't believe it.
Speaker 3Wow, we knew it was going to be a long one.
Speaker 2Yeah, that was going to be a long one, but what better way to do it than on election day? Right, you know, we're going to vote for good people. Djt is the man.
Speaker 3I hope we have a good four years, man. That's all I'm going to say to everybody. I just want a good four years. We need a change in what's been going on. So I hope you guys are smart, think it through and do the right thing and don't deal with your emotions. What's right? So that's all I'll say about that. I'll tell you, you want to, I'm say your, uh, last bit here.
Speaker 2Uh well, all I can say is I'm glad this is almost over with the election. I'm glad it's almost over with, because in a couple of days I'm going to be flying out to St Croix. I'm going to get away from this for for quite a while, so well, cool.
Speaker 3Well, Chad, good luck to everybody.
Speaker 2I know right.
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