High-Stakes Adventures with US Marshals and Sovereign Citizens

How does a simple security gig at a charity event turn into an intense tale involving a missing woman, sovereign citizens, and a brush with the US Marshals? Join Chad and me as we navigate this rollercoaster of a week, filled with unexpected twists and turns. Whether it's my Barry White-like voice thanks to a sore throat or Chad's upcoming escape to the Bahamas, we share personal updates before diving into some serious, action-packed adventures. This episode promises an array of emotions, from laughter about weekend shenanigans to the tense moments of our investigations.

Picture this: securing a $50,000 bond for someone only to discover they belong to a radical group rejecting government authority! Our story about Shanaynay, a sovereign citizen with unpredictable affiliations, captures the essence of the risks and surprises in our line of work. The revelation of her true background, compounded by her failure to appear in court, underscores the unpredictable nature of our profession.  From online sleuthing to confronting a heroin-addicted husband, every step of this investigation was a rollercoaster of emotions and high stakes.

Speaking of high stakes, our collaboration with the US Marshals to catch a fugitive involved in child sex trafficking was nothing short of a nail-biter. The looming deadlines, limited communication, and the eventual relief of capturing the fugitive paint a vivid picture of the pressures we face. Despite the setbacks from the judicial system, the episode highlights our persistence and teamwork, ultimately leading to a significant win and a stark reminder of the justice system's complexities. So, buckle up and get ready to experience the highs and lows of our off-the-hook adventures.

Transcript

Speaker 1 0:04

When people are released from jail, they have the responsibility to appear in court, but some of these people choose to go on the run.

Speaker 2 0:13

They go back home to mommy.

Speaker 1 0:15

And that is when these guys come into the picture. So sit back and listen to the Off the Hook podcast with chad and rob very fine people on both sides. These are real stories, but the names have been changed what's going on?

Speaker 3 0:39

guys, I'm rob and I am chad, what's up oh, oh man.

Speaker 2 0:42

This, uh, it's man. This is the first time we've uh we not had a guest. We're kind of getting back on a schedule here.

Speaker 3 0:50

Yeah, we change it up a little bit you know, yeah, man, it's been, it's been fun.

Speaker 2 0:54

I'm doing a little sore throat.

Speaker 3 0:55

Um, you may like the new voice. I don't know how long I have it, but it sounds kind of nice. I sing Barry White. I sing Barry White. Can't get enough of your little baby, yeah, anyway.

Speaker 2 1:11

So how you been Chad.

Speaker 3 1:13

I'm doing okay. How about you? Other than the voice? I'm doing alright. Let's see when this gets aired. We'll be exactly one month out from the elections.

Speaker 2 1:28

Yeah, that's going to be weird. Tell everybody where you're about to go, we'll vacate.

Speaker 3 1:33

Nobody wants to know about that. I'm going to go down to Bahamas for a little bit.

Speaker 2 1:38

All right.

Speaker 3 1:40

That's what I'm talking about Check out that new ship Utopia.

Speaker 2 1:43

A little getaway. A little getaway is nice, it's always good.

Speaker 3 1:47

Anything else going on? Man, Wait a minute. We both had a pretty cool weekend. We worked, but the work was fun.

Speaker 2 1:56

Yeah, it was fun, man. Hopefully we got some stuff in the works. We'll let you know.

Speaker 1 2:02

Can't say right now what's going on, but we will let you know.

Speaker 2 2:06

Yeah, can't say right now what's going on.

Speaker 3 2:07

No, not yet, but we'll let you know when that happens. But yeah, we did have fun at UNCW this weekend. The university, we're doing the security, we can say that. Right, we can talk about that.

Speaker 2 2:17

A little bit. We'll talk a little bit about it.

Speaker 3 2:19

Yeah, so we do. The security when the One Tree Hill charity event happens every six months or so, yeah, I think this is the last one.

Speaker 2 2:28

I mean, this is what you told me. The last one, the last one last one.

Speaker 3 2:32

They told me this is the last one. Geez, they had 4,000 people there. I know I mean keep that going.

Speaker 2 2:38

So other than that, man, yeah, nothing new in my world. I'm just kind of trying to make it.

Speaker 3 2:48

Yeah, you got stuff coming up too, but we're doing our thing, going out and catching people and telling stories and dealing with politics.

Speaker 2 2:57

That's pretty much our world right now. Speaking of politics, man, okay, what the? Do you think it's politics related, because I'm sure it's going to pop up, but this shit is going on with P Diddy and the baby oil.

Speaker 3 3:13

That's a slippery subject.

Speaker 2 3:18

Okay, so he's on suicide watch, right? Oh, they got him on suicide watch because they're trying to protect him from the Clintons, but it didn't work for Epstein.

Speaker 3 3:28

Diddy knows too much.

Speaker 2 3:30

Way too much. I cannot wait to see what kind of transpires from all this it is going to be. I mean, I said it years ago that there's some like corrupt, evil, possessed people, and everybody kind of looked at me wrong. But ding, ding, ding, here we go, here we are.

Speaker 3 3:49

I mean there have been people saying stuff like that for years. There's clips from back in the 90s.

Speaker 2 3:54

Yeah, it's wild. All I know is that we didn't go to no Diddy parties.

Speaker 3 4:01

I ain't been to no Epstein Island. I haven't been to diddy party, nothing no, especially the baby.

Speaker 2 4:08

Oh man, what's that? What all this baby, old man, I don't get it. No, all right, well, cool. So now we're gonna get into our um, uh, our story here. Um, our story is let's see, it's out of Brunswick County. It's a $50,000 bond that I wrote. It was a probation violation. And why was she put on probation?

Speaker 3 4:35

Tell them why she was put on probation so up in Ohio? She left Ohio, came down here to North Carolina and she lived in like a hotel, hotel, motel, something like that was supposedly what we were told. It was pictures of girls for pageants, is what we were told yeah, that's what she was. That's what the advertising of the co-signer was telling us and it was a court case up there because some of them were underage. We learned later that she was into child trafficking and that her charges were pretty serious up there.

Speaker 2 5:12

Yeah, and we don't know, we don't see, we don't see the original charge. All we see is probation violation.

Sovereign Citizen Bonding Experience

Speaker 3 5:18

Yeah, yeah, we didn't see the original charge and we're going based on what we're told by the the husband in her case yeah, so I mean it's a very difficult job that we have to decipher every time we pick up a phone, to decide whether or not to let somebody loan people money to to bond them out it's, it's, it's a risk. Yeah, it's a calculated risk, but you all the factors aren't always visible.

Speaker 2 5:46

And they get over. I mean they get over on us. I mean, sometimes we just don't see it. I mean it happens.

Speaker 3 5:51

I mean, and that, right there is why we're a valuable role is because, okay, we have to figure it out, or else, you know, we have to pay.

Speaker 2 6:02

So, chad, tell our listeners the nickname and then we'll get into story time.

Speaker 3 6:09

Oh, would we nickname her, not her real name? You would die laughing if you knew her real name. But Shanaynay is a nice way to call her Shanaynay the Sovereign. Shanaynay, the Sovereign Citizen.

Speaker 2 6:22

Yes, so, since we have Shanaynay the Sovereign Citizen, yes, so, since we have Shanaynay the Sovereign Citizen story, it's time for story time.

Speaker 1 6:32

I can tell stories. Got too much to tell, I can tell stories. Got too much to tell, I can tell stories Got too much to tell.

Speaker 2 6:42

Alright, there you go. That's uh. I love that intro. Chad loves him.

Speaker 3 6:47

Some riffraff, I don't know why he's not good, but he's just got his moments. He's got a couple of good ones.

Speaker 2 6:54

How about this past weekend? He was like, hey, you heard of Cranberry Vampires. I'm like what the fuck is a cranberry vampire? He was like it's another stupid song by him.

Speaker 3 7:03

Another song by riffraff. I was like, oh, Not trying to make him popular by any means, because most of his stuff sucks, but he's got a couple of good ones. You know that are kind of funny to me.

Speaker 2 7:13

He's funny, I mean he's hilarious to listen to from time to time he's a character, so anyway. Getting back to Shanaynay the Sovereign Citizen. Let Anyway, getting back to Shanaynay the sovereign citizen, let's see, we go to Bonder out $50,000 bond in Brunswick County, you got a call.

Speaker 3 7:33

I think her husband called us. They had two little ones. Was it Two little kids, yep, and he worked and he had a steady job. He was a hard worker, yeah, and um, actually um, but we didn't let him co-sign though. Right, right, we don't like. If you don't, you know, if you're not tied to the area, which they were relatively new um, it's a riskier situation. You have nothing tying, you can up and leave.

Speaker 2 8:01

They just came from ohio and they were living in myrtle beach, so I mean, risk plus risk equals, you know but if, if, if you guys uh, you know at home don't understand, like, brunswick county is the count, the last county you get to before you get to south. Yeah, it's right on the line. So we get a lot of stuff in myrtle beach.

Speaker 3 8:19

Yeah, myrtle beach, um, you know, it just comes over, it's. It's a lot of them go back and forth because you jump in states, but it's easy to do so. We get a call from this guy and he they're like well, okay, we've got a guy who's ex-military that can co-sign. We talked to that guy and he sounded, you know, he sounded squared away and we checked his credentials.

Speaker 2 8:44

And we did not know anything about the sovereign citizen stuff.

Speaker 3 8:48

Yeah, we didn't know what this sovereign citizen thing was all about.

Speaker 2 8:52

But we didn't know about it during the time of the bond. Yeah, yeah, we weren't told that.

Speaker 3 8:57

We weren't told none of this. Yeah, this is all stuff that popped up later.

Speaker 2 9:01

Yeah, and so we bonded her out. And it's like a few days later I get a phone call from her husband and her husband was like yeah, she told me she don't have to go to court. I'm like, what do you mean? You gotta go to court? Yeah, you gotta go to court, first appearance, yeah, but she didn't trust the system and this, that and the other. I'm like what are you talking?

Speaker 3 9:20

about. She said something about she filed some paperwork that you know was going to relieve her of any further court appearances. So we're like what?

Speaker 2 9:30

I've never heard of this.

Speaker 3 9:31

Yeah, yeah. So that we were concerned about that. We started doing our research on them, asking more questions and feeling out. Finally, we figured out that they're sovereign citizens. And then we start watching videos on sovereign citizens and reading articles and you know, these are actually I mean dangerous people. I mean we saw videos of father and son, sovereign citizens, getting out when they were pulled by state patrolmen, shooting them, getting back in their car and taking off.

Speaker 2 10:02

I mean, you know they, they believe nothing applies to them so when, when this happens, we, we, when we find all this out and we figure it out and we're we're kind of freaking out a little bit because we don't know what, um, we don't know. All right, the initial shock. It's the initial shock that we didn't know what the hell was going on. And then, once we found out it was a sovereign citizen, how dangerous they were. We were like, all right, we need to start looking. So they were like, well, I was on the phone with them. They were like how can we settle this? I was like, well, you paid $50,000 and call it a day.

Speaker 3 10:41

Well, that was before we got to the forfeiture. So court, well, we, that was, that was before we got to the forfeiture. So core date, core date came, they missed. And then we get the forfeiture. Now it's real, you know, you got it in print. You're gonna owe 50 grand and 150 days. So you know, we call the cosigner. Explain this. That's the military guy, yeah, and he's like, okay, we'll make it whole. He used some terminology. I recall this has been a while back, but he was using some kind of terminology talking about the way he way he would phrase things and he asked how much it was and we told him and, um, he said there any other fees? And basically he said, okay, I'll get you that money, all right. So he sends us this letter and it's like comes in a thick book. Remember that it was like a bunch of legal gibberish.

Speaker 2 11:36

Yeah, we didn't know what was going on, yeah, and then we saw Chad, saw this, like he's like Rob this like.

Speaker 3 11:45

He's like rob. Come look at this check. It was a check that looked like a money order and he had read like, like, like he had dipped blood and his thumbprint was on every page, every page of that, of those articles, and we were like baffled, we didn't know what this was. I took it to the bank that we deal with. They looked at it. They were confused. They're like no, this isn't legit uh-uh.

Speaker 2 12:07

And then chad, chad started doing some research on it, about that, and then kind of find out, that's what they do.

Speaker 3 12:13

This is what they do. I mean they literally erase their name, social security number um, just become a not even associated with the government, as they put it, and yeah, they don't. Their own entity or something like that.

Speaker 2 12:27

Yeah, they don't think the laws you know they have to follow them. They don't think they have to follow the law.

Missing Woman Investigation and Confrontation

Speaker 3 12:34

Yeah so later we were actually able to get some video footage of a confrontation of her and police officers and how she stood them off with this legal jargon that she would spew out, and it was enough to confuse them. They even get in courts and and do that until judges have enough of what they're trying to do and throw them in jail for contempt. But so so this girl is now missing. Yeah this is when we just start going. You know what? Yeah, we're done, we're starting to hunt them now.

Speaker 2 13:09

It's time the hunt's on, yeah, so let's see, did we go? We started online First. We started online, yeah.

Speaker 3 13:20

And then there wasn't much online. She even called us once or twice, would have long conversations with me and they were. You know, I was basically digging for information. I was just trying to get any kind of information I could get and I felt like she was doing the same to me and little by little would. I would write things down that I that I noted and then we started watching. She just totally stopped calling, stopped communicating and, um, we went and confronted her husband?

Speaker 2 13:59

yeah, we, we talked to him on the phone. He's like I don't know where she's at yeah, so we?

Speaker 3 14:04

you know you pretty much. When you're told that you got kids, you're supposedly married and you don't know where your, your other significant other is, you know it's more than likely a lie, but in his case it actually was true yeah, he actually was telling us the truth she took the kids and left in the middle of night without him knowing it but he was telling us like 90% truth and 10% lie.

Speaker 2 14:32

So we start talking to him, we're back and forth, we go down to Dirty Myrtle and we kind of follow him for a month.

Speaker 3 14:41

Yeah, we're following him on his job. He did construction work and he stayed busy. It job like he was a. He did construction work and he he stayed busy. It turned out he was a functioning heroin addict yeah, he was in it.

Speaker 2 14:50

He would stay at a hotel for a month. Yeah, he goes to a different hotel for a month. We talked, remember, we went down there, we talked to the hotel and they're like yeah, we, we seen her that actually tipped her off is because they were in.

Speaker 3 15:02

they were in good with the owners of the hotel. Yeah, if you recall, later we found out that she found out through them that we had been down there and talked to them.

Speaker 2 15:13

So I mean you take a gamble when you go talk to these people.

Speaker 3 15:16

Yeah, it's a big gamble.

Speaker 2 15:18

But when you've been following a guy for a long time and you don't see her and you're like you got to do something, so you talk to the manager at a hotel, find out they're like yeah, the I think it was the cleaning lady told me yeah, I ain't seen her in a while yeah, I think we, we even went as far as, like we thought that in like the room they were in, we put like a, a camera, yeah, that we could put up like outside in the common area where, like we could see if they came in.

Speaker 2 15:50

So we still, we're still suspecting that she could be coming there and the whole time we're talking to the husband also still yeah and he doesn't know we're watching, but we're, you know, we're still talking to him trying to get this thing figured out and fixed. And the whole nine they keep bullshitting us, bullshitting us, and it over and over. And we decided just to confront him on his job one night, uh, and we got kind of you know, we got serious with him, said look, you know we're not messing around, we know what's going on, we know, you know where she's at.

Speaker 3 16:27

Yeah, so, yeah, like this is getting serious, somebody's getting ready to have to pay 50 grand and it's not going to be us yeah, because times are starting to run out. Yeah, I mean we're getting late in this 100. We have 150 days after they miss court, and now we're we're working're getting close, and so we had this conversation with this guy. I said look, man, you need to tell us where she's at. And he said I don't know. I talked to her.

Speaker 2 16:54

I talked to my kids. I asked him to let me see his text.

Speaker 3 16:57

Yeah, yeah, he was cooperative. He let us see his text. So now he was starting to work with us because we're like, look, you know, she took your kids. Those are your kids too, you know.

Speaker 2 17:09

So he wanted you wanted custody of his kids and this is when he kind of he started breaking a little bit is when he cuz he wanted. He ain't seen his kids, he can barely talk to him. And when I was going through the text threads you're slurping again, my bad, sorry when I was going through the text thread I seen where she sent him a picture of an address to send a care package to where at Chicago yeah, illinois, we are not supposed to go.

Speaker 3 17:41

Yeah, we're not allowed in that area.

Speaker 2 17:45

Spot we are not supposed to go? Yeah, yeah, we're not. We're not allowed in that that area. Um, so, um, we started uh. Then, uh, once we found that out, he he kind of said, yes, you wanted me to send this because I confirmed about the po box. Well, no, no, it wasn't a po box, it was. It was an actual address. So we start looking up you know address, we start up who owns the property where it's at? It was actually a little town, the part of Chicago called Englewood. I remember that now it was Englewood and it was a bad area of Chicago you don't want to go into.

Speaker 3 18:25

Yeah, I think we didn't have an actual, like actual address. I think it was a cluster box. I don't think it was a whole address at that time At that time. Later we got it.

Speaker 2 18:39

Because remember it's been years yeah.

Speaker 3 18:40

Yeah, it's been years ago, but we kept getting little bits and pieces. So we would have him. He would talk to his kids every day and we would get little bits of information like what's mommy driving?

Speaker 3 18:50

yeah, the kids were like the key to us, getting a lot of information. Mommy's driving a little minivan, all the color it is, is it in? Like you know, tinted windows. It's got this and that you know little details that we would, we would put together, and you know you, you keep all that up. You never know what detail is going to be the one to get you there but remember she had a license plate.

Speaker 3 19:15

It wasn't, it was some weird license plate that she made up remember I don't recall that, but it wouldn't surprise me with with the way that she thought that she could. But she was needing money Now. This was notable that she was in a community of other ones up in her area, in a rough area in Chicago.

Speaker 2 19:35

I think there's a lot of sovereign citizens up that way. Yeah, in that particular area.

Speaker 3 19:37

There were a lot of sovereign citizens, so they had their own community. In fact, in the course of looking at all this, we found out here in our area that there's a place right now from the Brunswick County Jail it's a very rural area a place called Half Hell that is a home for a community of sovereign citizens that the police can't even go into.

Speaker 2 20:00

Because they don't know how to get shot at. Yeah, I remember them telling us.

Speaker 3 20:05

Yeah, I remember them talking about that and how they have their own rule there, or something like that. It's like it's really really strange.

Speaker 2 20:12

It's kind of like a cult almost.

Speaker 3 20:13

Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 20:15

It's weird and they're, they're very violent. And so while we're figuring out, we figured out what van she was driving, we we, we find figuring out, we figured out what van she was driving, we we? We find that out through the kids, we find out, um, she's needing money. So what we did is we actually gave him money to put on a car to send to her.

Speaker 3 20:37

Yeah, she was getting that was. He would work all day, I mean he would work at into late into night.

Speaker 2 20:43

Oh man, he was, he was a worker.

Speaker 3 20:45

It was crazy.

Speaker 2 20:46

Didn't he do work on the office in Brunswick County?

Speaker 3 20:49

I think, yeah, we had other clients that needed work and we kind of lined him up with that.

Speaker 2 20:55

Yeah, so we were helping him out. Even though he wasn't being 100% honest with us, he still wanted to see his kids.

Speaker 3 21:03

Right, and that was the key because he wanted to see his kids. Right, that was the key because he wanted to see his kids and she just took off. So he was being, I think, legitimate with not knowing exactly where she was, because I think she knew that he would come up there.

Speaker 2 21:18

Yeah, and it's. I don't never want to do this again Like the sovereign citizen shit oh no, no, If we, we get it.

Speaker 3 21:30

if we hear anything about somebody being a sovereign citizen, not somebody else can do that bond.

Speaker 2 21:34

No, I think we've gotten a call since then. Hey, we're sovereign. No, but yeah, no, click no no. So get back to the credit card.

Speaker 3 21:43

Yeah, so the credit card, he would send money, he would work, send money to her for the kids and that would get us closer. There was one conversation he had with her, so we're sitting there at night listening to him talk to her and I hear her say something to the guy that she was staying in the house. These were like brownstone apartments, like you see, staying in the house. These were like, uh, like Brownstone apartments Like you see, up in New York, places like that, new Jersey, and uh, they're, like you know, packed together side by side and have like a little tiny yard in the front. And, um, I heard her say something about you need to fix that fence in the front yard. It is never going to get fixed, or something like that.

Speaker 2 22:26

You remember that? I remember it was different. It was like unit one a a, two B, two, three C. There was different units at this address.

Speaker 3 22:44

That's what we didn't know. We didn't know which unit it was so so I got on google earth and pulled up the area that that we thought it was, and you can literally go down the street and I think the images have been updated fairly recently, within that year, so I was looking at a current picture is what's important you pay attention to when you look at google earth. They're not all current photos, and this one was, and if you look, you can go down the street. All of them have perfect, nice little fences with little square yards, and there's one with a broken down fence and I was like bingo, this is the one Bam. So we had that, we had the make of the vehicle, we had everything.

Unraveling a Sovereign Citizen Investigation

Speaker 2 23:17

So we had that, we had the make of the vehicle, we had everything. And since now, since Chicago is a city and state that Illinois can't go into, we reached out to US Marshals here and when we reached out to them they were absolutely willing to help With the nature of the crime.

Speaker 3 23:38

You know the child sex trafficking charges. Yeah, they were very willing to work with us to get this one.

Speaker 2 23:48

So I told them I'm like, look, we'll give you all the information that we have and we will help you do whatever you got to do. It's getting like we're we're about a month out having to pay this thing At this point.

Speaker 3 24:02

Yeah, it's really getting close.

Speaker 2 24:03

Um, my butthole is puckering like a diddy party.

Speaker 3 24:11

So, so, yeah, we just keep. You know, we, we keep trying to communicate. They don't really communicate much with us Like yeah, yeah, we got it, we got it, we're on it, but they would call and give us a little update Every once in a while, every once in a while, but it wasn't enough for you to feel really good about it, since you got all this money and time's running out.

Speaker 2 24:31

It's running out for them, it's running out for us for them is running out for us and I think, um, so they, they tell me that they're pinging her phone and they, they got into it. They know exactly what's going on with her and I know it's it's.

Speaker 2 24:47

We're two weeks out two weeks out two weeks out and I I'm sweating yeah, chad's over here sweating. Like we don't know, we're already starting to prepare ourselves to pay for this thing, right, because we don't know what's going on with the US Marshals. And so I get a call one day from the US Marshals going hey, just letting you know, we just want to keep you updated. It's about to go down.

Speaker 3 25:24

Yeah, they were, uh, gonna follow her. She was leaving in her minivan with some guy this was a guy that was not related to her right watching her kids, um, and they were going to a I think it was an auto zone and, um, they followed him up to the auto zone and that's where they got him. They got him out in the auto zone.

Speaker 2 25:42

And when they raided the car they left the kids with this dude that the husband didn't know who the hell he was at all.

Speaker 3 25:51

She told him that they would be okay with him, but we informed the guy that the the the real father and he went up there to to get his kids.

Speaker 2 26:01

Yeah, like I think it was like a week or two later.

Speaker 3 26:03

Yeah.

Speaker 2 26:04

Cause he had to arrange to go up there. He's like man I can't remember.

Speaker 3 26:08

Cause I think I even gave him some money to to help him go up there. Yeah, yeah, I gave him some money.

Speaker 2 26:13

See, we ain't all bad, we helped him get his kids.

Speaker 3 26:15

I mean, yeah, I mean he helped us, I helped him. You know it's a win, but we don't have to pay $50,000. Nope, so she got put into the jail there.

Speaker 2 26:27

So we got there. I remember we were here at the office and I get the phone call hey, it's about to go down, I'll call you and let you know. I'm like, all right, cool, so I'm sitting here waiting, waiting. We're just like we're pacing the office. We're trying to do other things but we can't because we're just worried like hell. Just waiting for that phone to ring and all of a sudden I get a phone call saying, yep, we got her.

Speaker 2 26:50

I was like, oh man thank God, so we're calling the district attorney's office in Brunswick County, letting them know so that she can be extradited, but letting them know that the warrant at NCIC, the National Crime Index, is going to be served up in Illinois. Yeah, so that was a.

Speaker 3 27:12

That was a huge, huge win for us. That was a huge, huge win for us. The thing that the breakdown in the whole, the whole situation after that, that pissed me off I'm sure it pissed you off too, rob was when she came she got extradited back here to Brunswick County and went to jail and the magistrate there gave her a $25,000 bond.

Speaker 2 27:37

Yeah, it was half.

Speaker 3 27:38

It was supposed to be double. Typically, when you miss court for a court date or something like that, you miss your appearance. Your bond doubles typically, and I mean never mind that you were a fugitive on the run and you went to a state that you can't he, yeah, a state that you, you can't, you know not supposed to be gotten in, and, uh, they lowered it. I had, I had words with, with some people there in the office in brunswick county and they were like you know, I don't know which match did this? Um, you know they were, they were pissed I don't think his office was mad.

Speaker 2 28:15

I don't think they like. Honestly, I don't think they really give a shit. I don't know if did she get bonded back out.

Speaker 3 28:21

I'm sure they pulled them over, that's right, all right, so we file our paperwork, we're done. We're done with the bond. And I got a call like weeks ago and it was someone in the DA's office and they were like hey, this is off the hook. I said yeah, she said we just had this shenanigans lady that came up to the district attorney's office and basically told us that she wasn't going to be in court and she left.

Speaker 3 28:57

It was something like that and then she leaves and she's like we noticed that you were the bondsman that got her out. Do you know anything about this? Can you help us find her? And I'm like, well, for starters, you shouldn't have gave her $25,000 bond.

Speaker 2 29:12

But the other thing is I was like, yeah, I can, I can tell you exactly what the color of the truck is that they left in and everything. I think I remember who the bondsman was, who did it. Now, since you tell me the story, yeah, well, it was they wanted.

Speaker 3 29:28

the DA's office wanted her. Yeah, it was for more.

Speaker 2 29:31

So we helped her get a. Yeah, so Chad, chad helped them get her again.

Speaker 3 29:40

So they call me I don't know. Know. It was like an hour or so later and they're like we got her. She was on her way back, you know, across state lines. So I was like you know, can y'all please just put her in jail and like stop playing games.

Speaker 2 29:52

There is some people who don't belong out on the street.

Speaker 3 29:55

This lady? Yeah, absolutely not, but they were very good at concealing their true identities from us for a while. So if you're a sovereign citizen, just know that, hey, you're not going to play by the rules of the law. Then you know, we're not going to.

Speaker 2 30:13

We're not going to, no, we're not doing it, so it's a growing. Actually, we're not doing it, so it's a growing.

Speaker 3 30:18

Actually, I've heard that it's kind of a growing um population too yeah, I've.

Speaker 2 30:23

I know, do we have a little bit of time? Let's see if we find the youtube. There's some youtube stuff on that. That's how we found the first time.

Speaker 3 30:31

Um, let's see yeah, I don't think it's really, you know, I don't know if we've got all that to do that, but it's really really strange world, like they don't pay for things the way you and I normally do. As I said, the laws don't apply to them, nothing really does, even if they're in a contract with. I think where they were living was an issue with that contract. Okay, just here's one. That was not at all.

Speaker 1 31:02

you are stomping all over my constitutional right, yeah, that's he pushes my hands off. In the us judicial system it's said that no one's above the law, but some people think they don't have to follow the rules we're taking a closer look at six times sovereign citizens were arrested on police body camera welcome to after hours crime stupid excuse.

Speaker 3 31:28

Yeah, it's, it's this gibberish like it almost sounds like a drunk lawyer let's talk about what's up so's up.

Speaker 2 31:35

So there's a ton of them on YouTube. Go check it out. There's sovereign citizens. They're arguing with judges, everybody, even their own attorneys that get appointed to them. They're like, yeah, we don't want nothing to do with him. I'm like, dude, you know this guy's going to get you out of this right, or try to anyway, but they don't care. I, I'm just glad that that's over with. We ain't got to worry about that shit no more. Yeah, that was horrible. Well, chad, hell, that that's a. That's another wrap on another good episode of a Shanae the sovereign citizen.

Speaker 2 32:17

So next week, I don't know what are we going to do next time.

Speaker 3 32:24

I don't know It'll be a surprise. We've got more surprises coming.

Speaker 2 32:28

Yeah, it's been fun, especially having the guest on. Jason Smith was a good one. They all were good. It was good was a good one. 104, they all were good. Sal, it was good to see Sal again.

Speaker 3 32:41

Yeah, you guys really blew up the YouTube on us.

Speaker 2 32:44

Thank you, thank you, thank you for that so check the YouTube out.

Speaker 3 32:48

We'll keep those coming. We're trying to get everything linked up right and got more good content coming yeah, and, like I said, we're streaming on all streaming platforms Apple Podcasts, spotify.

Speaker 2 33:02

Anything you listen to, it's up there. You just got to look for it. It's Off the Hook Podcast and on our YouTube channel. Check our YouTube channel out Off the Hook Podcast. Also, you can comment, write us messages. We like that. We like the feedback and what you would like to hear or you haven't heard, or any ideas you have Any questions?

Speaker 3 33:24

you got fire away. Let us hear from you.

Speaker 2 33:26

Yeah, let us know, but until then, I'm Rob and I'm Chad, and we will see you next time, brother.

Speaker 1 33:36

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