Off The Hook
Off The Hook
Texas Showdown with a Violent Fugitive
In the thrilling chapter "Deviant Daryl," we recount the high-stakes pursuit of a domestic abuser hiding in Greenville, North Carolina. Teaming up with Leland Chapman, we navigate through the tension of tracking and capturing Daryl, thanks to a tip from a vengeful inmate. You'll hear every pulse-pounding detail as we corner him in a townhome, employing tactical maneuvers that showcase the excitement and challenges inherent in fugitive recovery work. It's a gripping narrative that will have you on the edge of your seat.
The episode crescendos with our intense encounter involving the apprehension of a violent criminal wanted in Texas. Experience the adrenaline rush as we recount the physical altercation and strategic maneuvers that led to a successful capture, despite dramatic resistance and claims of kidnapping. Wrapping up, we reflect on the critical role of bondsmen in the justice system, sharing personal anecdotes and illustrating how our dedication ensures justice is served. From dramatic fugitive recoveries to the often-overlooked importance of bondsmen, this episode is packed with real-life drama, camaraderie, and the relentless pursuit of justice.
When people are released from jail, they have the responsibility to appear in court, but some of these people choose to go on the run.
Speaker 2:They go back home to mommy.
Speaker 1:And that is when these guys come into the picture. So sit back and listen to the Off the Hook podcast with Chad and Rob Very fine people on both sides. These are real stories, but the names have been changed.
Speaker 2:What's going on everybody?
Speaker 3:I'm Rob and I am Chad.
Speaker 2:How do you guys like the new intro there on YouTube? We're not getting up and changing the camera out. That's awesome.
Speaker 3:We're advancing, we're trying, we're learning.
Speaker 2:So, chad, how was your weekend, buddy?
Speaker 3:it was all right, it was. Uh. It was good, we had enough rain. You can stop now, um, we we're.
Speaker 2:We don't have a drought any longer my grass is gone green, that's for sure yeah, yeah um, uh, so let's talk about. Uh well, I ain't done nothing but move.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, we got the convention. We just got back from.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the convention in Pensacola.
Speaker 3:Beach, florida. That was cool. That was a good time. I think that we were surprisingly. Everybody was interested in what we were doing Bankers and Palmetto were interested in sponsoring us.
Speaker 2:Woo-hoo, yeah, we're starting to get our first sponsor.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we've got to figure that part out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's been going good, though I'm quite impressed, chad, this is a very good idea. I must say this was Chad's idea, but while we're in Florida, we had a good time. It was beautiful weather.
Speaker 3:Stinking hot. Yes, it was.
Speaker 2:The dinner was pretty cool.
Speaker 3:Yeah, outside by the ocean while the band played and you just sat there and sweated and prayed for the wind to blow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I got up and played with the band for a few songs and it was hot there too. Even the guy in the band had to take a break because he was getting too hot. Yeah, but other than that it was nice. Michelle did a really good job she did, and everybody else, all the board members. I give credit to all of them because it was really good.
Speaker 3:We're looking forward to montana. That's our next location that's gonna be awesome yeah, I can't wait for that one, but yeah, we've got it. We got a year to figure that out.
Speaker 2:So it is. So while we're out there, chad, you know he's, he's sticking to his uh ways of eating. I'm not going to even call a diet yeah, that's, that is correct terminology.
Speaker 3:It's not a diet, it's a way of. Yeah, I've been carnivore for since sometime in January. So, yeah, I've dropped 40 pounds doing this. How do you feel? I feel great. I mean a lot of my ailments. You know I am no spring chicken anymore and ailments come along with aging and I feel really good and, uh, surprisingly strong still in the gym. Uh, for no carbohydrates. I totally recommend people check it out.
Speaker 2:Give it 30 days, try it and ted, you don't look no older than 40, I know right because I'm not 40.
Speaker 3:Me neither. But hey, I mean, what are you going to do? You're going to do the best you can with what you got.
Speaker 2:So, other than that man, I'm hoping it stays dry on us and Chad keeps going on this carnivore lifestyle. Right, right, right and uh. So let's get into story time. Story time chad loves this.
Speaker 3:I can tell stories. I got too much to tell. I can tell stories.
Speaker 1:I got too much to tell.
Speaker 3:I can tell stories I got too much to tell. I can tell stories I got too much to tell, I can't NBC.
Speaker 2:Boom, there you go.
Speaker 3:All right, so there's the long version, it's story time.
Speaker 2:Hey, before we get started on story time, I won something at Navicavision, yes, and I gave it to Chad.
Speaker 3:So all that, the previous episodes, just so you know that I made fun of all the people with the stinking ducks in their Jeeps. Stop doing that, people. It looks really dumb. Anyway, so this was in his basket.
Speaker 2:That I won, that I won.
Speaker 3:What was it featured? It was a Donald J Trump basket and this little Donald Duck was in there.
Speaker 2:I gave it to him, I said here you go.
Speaker 3:So I'm part of the club now. Jeep people, I'm not putting this in my truck. My truck will run over your jeep, um anyway hey, a little bobblehead yeah, it was filled full of j djt.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was pretty cool, man. Uh. So anyway, let's get back to our story here. Uh, deviant Daryl the domestic woman beater.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so Deviant Daryl was a guy out of Texas that we got a call from our friend, leland Chapman what's up, leland? Leland? And he called us this has been a few years ago Called us and said that there was a guy looking for this, this daryl guy, and they had a. Uh, they had found out. They thought that he was up in greenville, north carolina which is only about an hour 45 yeah, yeah, it's two hours, something like that.
Speaker 3:And so he asked us to you know, go up there and see what we could do. So, yeah, we, we went up there one day, and well, first, Leland, all right.
Speaker 2:So Leland calls me, uh, and tells us about this story about Deviant Daryl, yeah, and and how it became to him finding out that he was in Greenville yeah, so the?
Speaker 3:so the information that they got was from a guy that was in prison. This this guy said. He said look, you know, when he went to interview him, he said look, I ain't no snitch. He said but I'm here doing life, I ain't going nowhere. But that dude took off with my old lady. You find my old lady, you'll find him, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So of course Leland's like getting all happy chippy though. So he finds her and it comes back to an address in greenville, north carolina, and it comes to a nice townhome, really nice townhome there.
Speaker 3:I I mean they were, you know, all joined townh homes, like you know, those apartment complexes that are like all stuck together and they're like upstairs, downstairs but they're like really, really long. Um, they were like right in the middle. The address was right in the middle of that. So the reason that's significant is when two people go to a house usually there's one in the front and one in the back you know kind of worry about person right out of the back door.
Speaker 2:But so. But so, Chad and I did our research before we went and we looked at, we looked at the mapping of Google earth town home.
Speaker 2:Um, so we we had the Greenville, north Carolina, and all we had was a photo of him in a truck that he bought from someone locally, and we sat there and watched the place for a while and we didn't see nothing going on. And of course, I'm running the tags on this truck and I remember it just popped up to me. I remember it came back in somebody else's name. He was a Mexican guy and Hispanic, whatever you want, whatever. So I'm like this don't it? Don't look right, I don't see her car or nothing. So, of course, chad and I have to make a decision. What do we do?
Speaker 3:So we decide that we're going to approach the apartment and I go to the back and the back is like a halfway bricked up, fenced up type little garden area thing. You could get over it if you really really wanted to it was, I think it was. It wasn't white and it was kind of enclosed sort of halfway enclosed, like it was meant for privacy, but at the same time, if you were desperate, like this person would be, you could scale it and get over it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I, I, so jack goes to the back door, I go to the front and we got radios on and I'm ready on him, hey, are you in place?
Speaker 3:he's like yep, okay, I'm gonna go knock on the door yeah so, but I'm already planning on, you know, me having to help rob at this point. So I go to a point where it's at the corner, because I've got the longest distance to run around the back, down the whole all the other apartments and back to the front. So I'm at an angle where I can see if somebody's going to get on that fence, but at the same time I'm closer to him. So I stand there and I wait, and then Rob comes on the radio.
Speaker 2:Oh God.
Speaker 3:He's like help help.
Speaker 2:Right radio. Oh god, he's like help, help. So right, no, no, so right before that I'm knocking on the door, oh, and he cracks it about about a foot open and it's just this little freaking head sticking out there.
Speaker 3:Now we're just going off one little photo that we have the dude right and we don't know how old that is why he's talking to me.
Speaker 2:yeah, and he's just not saying much. I slipped my foot in the door so he can't slam it on me, because I know it's him and I'm like, hey, bro, we need to talk. He's like no, no, it's not me, that's not me at all.
Speaker 3:You got the wrong guy, you got the wrong guy.
Speaker 2:I'm like, and I got my hand on my taser at this point and he starts to try to slam the door on me, but he couldn't because my foot was there and I'm yelling for Chad. Now, chad, come on, come on to the front door. And so while I'm fighting with him in the door, I take my taser out and I shoot him, but only one prong hits him and the other one gets Somewhere, but the the leads get wrapped up in door handle. Yeah, remember that. And I'm like I'm grabbing that the tasers going and I got my hand on as soon as he and he's got I a prong in him and he's getting, he's getting tased. I'm getting tased and it's at me. It hurts like it hurts like hell. And then chad comes up beside me and goes and we're trying to open door. I said on chad, on three. I said ram this motherfucker. And he goes all right, one, two, three and we, we hit that door so hard he fell back.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he fell back. We, we, we made our way into the house and then we start like this guy's freaking out. He tells, he screams for his uh girlfriend that's upstairs to come. You know, come down here. You don't know what she's coming downstairs with, you don't know what's up there, you don't know these people. So we, you know immediately see. You know immediately, see, you know, check her out, make sure she doesn't have anything in her hand. She comes down and we get him over by the couch and get him to sit down for a minute.
Speaker 2:And we're trying to. We're trying to like calm down too, yeah, and we're trying to like talk to him.
Speaker 3:Your adrenaline's pumping, you know at that moment, and everything that's going through her head is this better be the right guy? This better be the right guy going through her head is this better be the right guy, this better be the right guy. And he tells her go over to the kitchen drawer and get my id. I don't know who keeps her id in the kitchen drawer. You know, usually I keep mine in a wallet.
Speaker 2:But let me tell you something with this idea, so I follow this lady again.
Speaker 3:She's going to the kitchen. Kitchen's got knives and all this other stuff. We don't know these people. I I follow her and I watch her open the drawer and there's an ID. I could do better. It was a little laminated black and white photo where it had been handwritten his name and his date of birth, and she held it up and gave it to me and I said I looked at him, I said, for real, bro, this is, this is what you're going to sell us.
Speaker 2:I mean it was. It was actually a pretty cool ID, that for being homemade.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. So this lady had lived with this guy, not knowing his real name, for like a year something like that.
Speaker 2:like no, yeah, yeah, his um didn't know his real name, didn't know his real name at all so this was the identity he had chosen, and sold it to this lady and um so but this. So the id was laminated. Uh, it was. It didn't have his picture on it. It had a place for his picture but it wasn't there.
Speaker 2:It was handwritten and she believed it yeah, yeah, yeah and so I'm looking at going no, this ain't right, no way in hell. So I get on the phone with leland, right? I facetime him and I'm like leland, uh, we got him right here. I just want to, I want to confirm it with you.
Speaker 3:So yeah, he takes the phone. Is that him? Is that him? Turn it back. Yeah, that's him, bro, and we're like all right, that's a wrap.
Speaker 2:That's good.
Speaker 3:Put your hands behind your back all right, this guy now he knows that he's kind of been you know made, but he's still not fessing up yet so, but I I suppose remember like there was a kid upstairs, his stepson yeah, well, he said that, um, he called the cops and we're like cool, get him here. Cool, awesome, be great so he proceeds.
Speaker 2:After I get off the phone with leland, he stands up and and we're like hey, bro, put your hands behind your back. We're going to do this the easy way. He proceeds to bum rush me like that and he grabs my vest. So I step back with my right foot and when I step back I rolled it bad. I felt it all the way up my whole body. It was horrible. So I'm hopping over to the back door. Here comes chad's big ass. All right, let me tell you, chad, this is really. It takes a lot to get this big teddy bear man well, I try to be.
Speaker 3:We try to do the good cop, bad cop thing. Rob here is is smaller but he's very feisty. I'm ready to roll, let's go. So I'll turn, you know, let him do his thing. I'll just kind of chill in the background and say, look man, I'll cooperate. He's a little out there, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah well, this dude, once he grabbed me and started, it was over with. So here comes Chad.
Speaker 3:He comes up behind, gets him in like he's fighting with him.
Speaker 2:Gets him in a headlock, yeah I get him in a headlock and I find I free away because I mean I'm hurting I.
Speaker 3:I get freed up, I pull my baton out and I see him get the baton out and like me and this guy and I'm like, I'm like, you know, like doing this choke, choking the guy, trying to control him, and now we're dancing because I'm like, don't hit me, rob, that thing's going to hurt. I'm like, I'm moving the guy over here so that he can go to work on those knees.
Speaker 2:I'm like Chad, watch his leg, bro, watch his leg. He's like ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. A perfect opportune moment. Chad moved his leg and dude put his leg right in front of it and I was like Bam Bada, bing, bada, boom, dude took it like a champ though, but he hit the floor though it took a few wallops, a few whacks.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean he Alright, this guy had, alright, he was running from Texas, he had several charges of beating women In Texas. Remember, and I think there was also I thought about this the other running from Texas. He had several charges of beating women in Texas, remember.
Speaker 2:And I think there was also. I thought about this the other day after we got through right through episode, but I think he also assaulted a handicapped person.
Speaker 3:Was that what it was? I mean, yeah, he had several assault charges, most of them were on women. That was his MO, um, and so you know, he just relocated and thought that he could just assume a new identity and be done, and um, he wasn't having it he was not giving up any information. Finally, then, the police get there yeah, hold on.
Speaker 2:So we're beating, we're trying, we're trying not to beat him dead because yeah, yeah I'm I'm starting to sweat, I'm starting to feel it, and we're telling him to turn around and put his on his hands behind his back. He's like, no, no, just don't hit me no more. He goes, but I'm not putting my hands behind my back. I'm like, why is this dude?
Speaker 2:just not cooperating like dude, I will. I will hit you again. I'm like turn around and next thing, you know, the door pops open. There's two cops standing at front door going, uh, somebody call us. I'm like now look over there, look at us, and we got vests on and everything well, so we're identified. We have a yeah, we have a uh on the back of our vest as fugitive, recovery agent or bill agent so we have a lot of paperwork that shows the dude's got warrant out of texas.
Speaker 3:We're not law enforcement. Uh, we do have a lot of paperwork that shows the dude's got warrant out of Texas.
Speaker 2:We're not law enforcement. We do have a badge, but it's a certain badge that you have to have in the state of North Carolina. It's the only one you can have.
Speaker 3:Yeah, state-issued. Yeah, one yeah. So after they look at our paperwork confirm we're legit. He's got a legit warrant. He was in NCIC, right.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:So NCIC is a national crime index that people are put in. If they flee the state it has to be a felony. But if you're put in that no matter what state you go to they can pull that up and see that you're wanted.
Speaker 2:So if you're pulled over for any reason, that's why he also assumed a different ID and it also tells you if you're extraditional, so if you can get extradited from surrounding states of the state of Texas or all of the US. You know, it tells it, but he was extraditable all across the.
Speaker 3:US. Yeah, they wanted him. Yeah, they want him bad. So we finally, I remember I was looking through and I found some photos where he's like down on the ground where the bar still was.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, hold on, you forgot the good bar we're like. And so he's yelling at the cops saying I want these guys arrested for kidnapping and trespassing and breaking in there and all this. And I was like, just turn around and put your hands behind your back and the cop goes. I think you might want to listen to him. He might hit you again. And so the cops, they put him in handcuffs. They come in, put him in handcuffs, get up. I asked the cops because my foot's about.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think they had an ambulance or a fire truck there or something. Yeah, ems and fire came, yeah, so they were treating you and I put the guy in our car. They did not want to transport him.
Speaker 2:We put him in our car, they did not want to transport him, we put him in our vehicle, yeah, so we had to get back in the truck with us after we already thought that Greenville was going to take him. They were like, no, you got to take him. I'm like all right, whatever cool, whatever We'll go. So that was an awkward ride to the jail, to say the least.
Speaker 3:To say the least, yeah, but what's huh?
Speaker 2:Yeah, tell them. Tell them about the ride back.
Speaker 3:Okay, so we're riding back and the whole time this guy has totally denied everything. He's like wrong guy, wrong guy. We get going. We get about halfway to the jail and he's sitting back there. He goes. So how'd you find me? And we were like well, we never tell people how we find them. Nope, we just don't. I mean there's no reason to the only thing that does. If you don't tell them, they'll always go. They won't know for sure. They can guess. They can guess all they want.
Speaker 2:He had all these theories on how we found him. What's that famous saying there, chad?
Speaker 3:lucky all the time, oh yeah, yeah. So they gotta be lucky all the time. We gotta be lucky one time, just once, and so that's kind of. That's kind of how we do it and we don't ever tell him and uh, you know, he's probably still scratching his of how we do it and we don't ever tell him he's probably still scratching his head how we found him and he doesn't need to know.
Speaker 2:We get to the jail and we go in front of a magistrate. We've got all the paperwork that we need to have for the magistrate to look it up in NCIC. I'm still like I'm hurting. I'm ready to get this over with. And while I'm standing there in front of the magistrate, the dude looks at me. I'm asking him a question and he was just being an asshole and he goes I'm going to find you, I'll find you, I'll know where you're at and I'll find you and I'll get you and your family and I'll turn around.
Speaker 2:I take that as a threat, and the magistrate didn't like it too much neither. And I looked at him and I said well, you come find me if you like. Next time it won't be a baton or a taser, it'll be a lead bullet, and and he kind of didn't say nothing after that. And the magistrate looked at him and looked at me and looked back at him and I said I think you understand what that man just said and I said thank you, mr Magistrate, and then that was about it. When I got out I looked at Chad.
Speaker 2:I wasn't looking so hot and Chad, he had to drive and take me to the CVS and Walgreens, that's right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you were in a little bit of pain. That's got to suck man rolling your ankle.
Speaker 2:Oh man, if anybody's rolled their ankle, you know what it's like. And so my right foot did this kind of bit right here and went on the inside, and so I pulled everything from the outside, like all the tendons and ligaments on the outside of my foot and ankle, and that bad boy, it got swole as big as Chad's arms here Stop.
Speaker 3:I'm not feeling great, but I appreciate it.
Speaker 2:Hey, you know, and that's big, that's big. If you're listening on Spotify, apple, Apple podcast, whatever you got to go to our YouTube channel, check it out. Yeah, check this man's arms out right here. Get off me. I love you, chad Easy. So that was devant Daryl he was. I don't think it was a big bond. I want to say it was like anywhere between a $5,000 and $10,000 bond.
Speaker 3:But I think it was more principle. Yeah, it was cool. I think at that time Leland had just moved to Alabama, somewhere like that, and I don't think he knew anybody in our neck of the woods at that moment. He was still on Hawaii time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I just came back from Columbia, south Carolina, with him.
Speaker 1:Okay, so yeah, that's right Actually there's a picture over there of you and him.
Speaker 3:And yeah. So it's good because, like, just like this florida thing you know, we make, we make connections with people all the united states and it's good to pick up the phone and say, hey, you know, can you go over to cleveland, ohio and, you know, check on somebody for me, that kind of thing yeah networking. It's great. You know naba people, pbus I'm at the name. I have to name all of them but um and dana dana ac.
Speaker 2:Again, name her, remember her. She's the uh, the bondsman up in cleveland ohio. Yeah, she's really nice yeah, she recognized me at the um, at the convention, and and um said I went to the you know worst part of Cleveland, which I did. I don't want to do that again. Um, and so our buddy Sal, you know that's where I met him. It's through Dana.
Speaker 3:We got to get Sal on the show. Oh God, sal's, this guy yeah.
Speaker 2:You're going to you're, you're going to laugh your ass off. Salvatore hey, hey, he's a funny guy. We're going to get him up here, I promise.
Speaker 3:Sal, I know you're watching or listening. You need to come on the show and tell us yeah we got to do this here very soon. You got stories to tell too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, me and him went to West Virginia on a guy that ran on us.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we got to feel with Sal. Yeah, we got to get him in here.
Speaker 2:Remember the guy jumping in the pond? Oh yeah yeah. Did we tell that one already? No, we haven't told that one yet.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, that one's fun We've got so many that one's fun.
Speaker 2:But get this though in all seriousness All these stories that we tell, none of these are funded. When we go out to get people, they're not funded by the taxpayer. It's 100% out of our pocket and out of the insurance company's pocket or the client's pocket. None of it is taxpayer dollar. So when you vote bail reform and you want equal for all like a certain district attorney is running here local justice for all it doesn't work.
Speaker 3:It should be fair for all, and that means the victims too.
Speaker 2:Yes, Because I mean what happens to the victims, you know, if they don't have their day in court.
Speaker 3:Everybody that ends up in jail. I mean, most of the time they've got it right, the police have it right most of the time and you know, none of us have a crystal ball. We don't know who's innocent. It has to go to court. So there has to be a fair process. The best that we can do. You can't just okay.
Speaker 2:Good luck okay, show, here's one thing. A good friend of mine, david Gross he's an attorney here in town told me it's the one thing in the criminal justice system that's not taxpayer-funded and works.
Speaker 3:Correct, 100% and works Just like the story we just told you about Deviant Darrell from the woman-beater from Texas. Darrell thought that he left Texas in the rear view mirror and wasn't coming back, assumed a new name, got away with it.
Speaker 2:But because he was on bond with a bondsman.
Speaker 3:Police have a lot of work to do. They have their plate is full and serving warrants, things like that. There is a warrant group that goes out and they basically knock on the door and if you're not there, they leave a piece of paper. We don't stop there, they leave a piece of paper. Yeah, we don't stop there. We have money riding on it. We're more persistent and that's fairness to all that. We do our job. If we can't, the money is forfeited on the full amount of the bond. It goes to the school systems of North Carolina. So I've said it before, we average anywhere from about $11 to $14 million a year in North Carolina and forfeiture money.
Speaker 3:So, that's putting your money where your mouth is, and we don't have the best school system in America.
Speaker 2:We're right in somewhere in the middle, if not towards the end, on the school system. Because I mean, every time I turn around, you know, my son's in high school, my youngest son, he's in high school, my oldest one's out now. But every time I turn around they're always asking hey, can you buy this for supplies, this for supplies? And I'm like, and of course we're going to because we don't want our children to go without what I'm trying to learn in school. Everybody wants the best for their child. We all, we majority of us do. Uh, there's some parents out there that ain't worth a damn. Um, I can speak.
Speaker 3:You're getting in a tangent there, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm getting my tangent Sorry, anyway, so, um, but I'm getting my tangent Sorry, anyway, so, but I'm very, very proud of my boys. So, chad, this has been another great episode. Wanted to reach out to you know. Send us an email comments. Do we have comments? We got comments, yeah, you can go on youtube.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we got all that reach out. Say something, tell us what you want to hear, what you're interested in, what is there something that you would like to hear about and what it is we do? Maybe if there's a person out there listening that wants to be on the show, that that's somewhere in the industry of what we do. That would be interesting.
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Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I think. Yeah, people like to hear some of this. You know we're going to continue to do what we're doing and we do encourage any comments, that things you would like to hear. That's all.
Speaker 2:All right, guys. Well, this is Deviant, daryl, we're done. I'm going to sit here and hold this squeaker. Chad, I love you. Oh God, I'm so glad I got that. Play the outro. Play the outro, love you mean it. We'll see you guys later. I'm Rob and I'm Chad.
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