Off The Hook
Off The Hook
High-Stakes Fugitive Hunt in the Dead of Night
What do you get when you combine a surprise encounter at a bail bonds opening with a high-stakes fugitive chase? You get one unforgettable episode of the Off the Hook Podcast! Chad's serendipitous run-in with our friend Chris and social media star and Bounty Hunter Leland Chapman at the grand opening of Myrtle Beach Bail Bonds sets the stage for a deep dive into the power of networking in our industry.
Brace yourself as we unravel the intense pursuit of a fugitive with military expertise who missed his court date and went into hiding. From gathering intel from neighbors and local authorities to a late-night stakeout on Cemetery Road, we shed light on the meticulous and sometimes perilous work involved in tracking down a fugitive. The adrenaline peaks during a dramatic chase down isolated country roads, showcasing our unwavering dedication and strategic maneuvering.
The episode wraps up with a heartfelt story of a fugitive turning himself in just before his sister's funeral, a move that brings relief to his family and sparks a discussion on the complexities of re-bonding individuals who've previously deceived us. Through humorous and frustrating anecdotes, we navigate the challenges of the bail bonds industry, from managing notorious clients to dealing with the logistical headaches of renting cars for our hunts. We also reminisce about a unique IT venture, "Slammer Pics," that once helped us catch a fugitive in New York, illustrating the unexpected ways technology aids us in our relentless pursuit of justice.
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When people are released from jail, they have the responsibility to appear in court, but some of these people choose to go on the run.
Speaker 2:I go back home to mommy.
Speaker 1:And that is when these guys come into the picture. So sit back and listen to the Off the Hook podcast with Chad and Rob Very fine people on both sides. These are real stories, but the names have been changed.
Speaker 2:What's going on, guys? This is Rob and I'm Chad how you doing today, chad?
Speaker 3:I'm doing well, robert, how are you?
Speaker 2:Doing pretty good. Got anything going on this coming up weekend.
Speaker 3:I know.
Speaker 2:I do.
Speaker 3:Do you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my grandma's coming down and she's like 82. She loves doing a seafood brawl, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:Good stuff yes.
Speaker 2:Good stuff, but everybody has their own ways of doing it and I like my way as their way. And once I told chad this morning, uh about it, I threw the fuck up.
Speaker 3:I like boiled eggs in my seafood bowl said nobody else. Yeah, I, like you, know muscles that ain't got nothing to do with a boiled egg. Man muscles are all right in them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, mussels are good. I like kielbasa sausage about the size of your fingers.
Speaker 3:Thick like my fingers.
Speaker 2:And shrimp corn sausage boiled eggs. Of course he's not going to eat it.
Speaker 3:You ruin it, Everything else you said was good's not going to eat it. You ruin it. Everything else you said was good until you got to that point.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean it's good, though. I love it All right next up. So tell us, Chad, where you were at this past weekend.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah. So my mom's birthday was last weekend. Well, when we celebrated it and I went and saw her, she's down there in Dirty Myrtle and while I was there, I was looking on social media and one of our friends, christopher Threat what's up, chris? How you doing Chris?
Speaker 2:He's at a Rock Hill, by the way, and he's got an office in Myrtle, and don't he have one somewhere else?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think York, maybe somewhere near York, south Carolina. Yeah, I think York, maybe somewhere near York, south Carolina. Yeah, anyway, I was looking through the social media and I saw he was doing. Well, it was Myrtle Beach Bell Bonds and they were doing a grand opening. I had Leland going there.
Speaker 3:I was like cool, you know, we talked to Leland every once in a while. Let's swing by and say hey, and I go by. It's literally five minutes from my mom's house and so we were out eating lunch and swung by there. I didn't know it was Chris's place at first. I walked in and I was like Chris, because I was going to introduce myself, because it's good to network with other bondsmen so close by, in case we're looking for somebody. They know their neck of the woods, we know ours, we kind of help each other. So walked in and was like hey, man, what's up? And you know, leland was there with his wife and said hey to him and it's like man, you know, rob and I tried to get up with you, dude, we wanted to take you fishing. So, Leland, if you're watching, dude, we got Mahi and Kings and King Mackerel and Cobia. We're going to make this work, dude, you're missing out. You only can catch so much in that river that you fish in. Right, we got the good stuff here.
Speaker 2:Man, come here, so I was actually hunting a gal on Saturday, oh yeah, yeah. So Chad sends me a picture of you know everybody together and I'm like damn, I kind of I missed that yeah, he didn't miss it and then I I facetime him and he is like and chris takes the phone from, he's like hang on a second he says I say to leland real quick, and I tried to.
Speaker 2:They're like come down here. I'm like I can't, I'm hunting a guy right now and and a few hours later, had him sent a picture, had him Boom.
Speaker 3:That's going to be another story. That's a good one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I tell you what you boys yeah.
Speaker 3:Chris just posted one. He got um either late last night or this morning. He had on his social media that they were hunting and they got one.
Speaker 2:That was awesome. So I see the boys doing good. Yes, uh, it was a big shout out to chris, um, doing a good job in south carolina, leland. Uh, it's good to good to talk to you again. Um, I'm sure chad was, it was great to, you know, see him again. So we're gonna get right into this episode which is going after Mr Red in Chris's little area, the York.
Speaker 1:Rock Hill, rock Hill area. So here we go.
Speaker 3:I can tell stories. I can tell stories.
Speaker 2:I love it how he says he's got a girlfriend and talking with him. I can tell stories. I love it how he says he's got a girlfriend and talking with her. And Okay, so Mr Red, out of the Rock Hill, south Carolina area, he $10,000 bond out of Onslow County, which is Jacksonville, north Carolina.
Speaker 3:Military yeah, military Domestic violence and identity theft. So this guy worked with the military as some sort of computer expert.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that's right, Remember that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I remember that this was back when we were talking about things you can do on there that he has access to.
Speaker 2:And it's funny when we're writing these things, like like things come up out of nowhere, like, oh shit, remember this yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, this is old, I mean, this is how this has been 17, yeah, 2017 so it's an older story. So we pull these folders out and we you know everyone's got a story when they're thick files from all of all the stuff that we do in order to find somebody. And this guy was hiding hard I mean he had the whole family hiding him, everything. So we'll get into that, tell you more about kind of what we ran into. How did it start, rob?
Speaker 2:Well.
Speaker 3:Missed court, he missed court.
Speaker 2:And I remember writing the bond up in Jacksonville. I still remember to this day Like Mama was coming up there from Rock Hill to come pick him up and I met her there and got him out and everything seemed like a really good bond. And so he fooled him and Mama fooled Chad and myself.
Speaker 3:Just goes to show you that. I mean you know you can't base a book by its cover, right, you can't. You know it goes with these bonds and people. You know you think that they're going to do the right thing. Not always, I mean, everything can look good and things happen. You know, like we say, these cases go on for quite a while and that period of time things happen, people continue to rack up other other charges or life happens and you don't know where it's going to take you.
Speaker 2:So he missed like yeah and so, and then when he misses court, you're like shit, this can't be right, this got to be something, oh, yeah, we talked to this guy.
Speaker 3:I remember, remember we talked to him. We thought that he was good. We got him to where he's going to take care of this.
Speaker 2:And so he was leading us on Him and his mom were leading us on right. So, like we've said in previous episodes, that we only have a certain amount of time to get him. Well, time was starting to run out and we had to do something fast. So Chad said all right, we got to pull the trigger, we got to go out to Rock Hill, so we go get a rental car. That's funny, we'll tell you about it. It's coming up here soon. We go get a rental car and we go out there, right, and we found out where Mama lives in an apartment complex and we found out he's got a baby mama there also.
Speaker 3:Uh, she lives across town yep on an indian reservation. Oh god, yeah, so you got. You got to be careful with uh how you proceed with things in that area yeah, and we also.
Speaker 2:we found out while we're there. We go to mama's house and we speak with the neighbor. The neighbor told us he ain't seen him in a couple of weeks and that's where he was supposedly living. And so we, you know, we also reached out to the police department there in South Carolina, in Rock Hill, and they told us that he also had a warrant there for a domestic violence charge.
Speaker 3:Which, more than likely, is why he was divvying us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he, he, he kind of got, you know, piled on Right and uh, let's see, once we found out he was uh wanted there and we found out where the girlfriend lived, we went over to the indian reservation that she lived on. When it's a small one, it's not a big indian, yeah it's not like what you might be thinking.
Speaker 3:It was just a regular community that just happens to have a sign that said this is um indian property, or Native American property or something like that.
Speaker 2:And so we go talk to the next door neighbor of the girlfriend's and come find out, it's her grandmother.
Speaker 3:I think so. Yeah, so there was a lot of people staying there and they were real, you know, helpful. They did not like him. You know, they didn't like him around, their granddaughter, and invited us in and was telling us everything that happened in the past that they were aware of and wanted to help us completely. Get rid of him yeah yeah, take the problem out of the equation.
Speaker 2:And so when we were talking to him we found out that she's at work. And so when we were talking to them we found out that she's at work and somebody a friend of Mr Red was bringing her home after work that night. So we're kind of running out of leads at the moment because this is our first initial going out there. We figured we were going to there. We figured out we're gonna have to go out again, but it's, it's always go, always good to go out there to get as much information as you can. So we sit, it's on cemetery road.
Speaker 3:Yeah, imagine sitting on cemetery road in the middle of the night watching cars go down the desolate road it was and there weren't many cars coming in not many.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's kind of creepy, so this little car comes in that was described by the grandmother, comes in, drops her off, doesn't stay long at all and leaves.
Speaker 3:So we think like okay, this guy could be dropping her off and going back to where our guy is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Right, yeah. And there's a lot of stuff going through our head at the time where our guy is yeah, Right, yeah and everything. There's a lot of stuff going through our head at the time because we don't know really. We don't really know what to expect. So we kind of like we're tucked in beside this old, old trailer and he comes out and we kind of just follow behind him. But we keep a good length between us yeah, still country road.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's a little country roads and there's not hardly any traffic, so you're kind of you know suspecting something if somebody's behind you in this place and taking every turn you're taking yeah and it's night lights are on so you can see who's behind you.
Speaker 2:So he starts speeding up a little bit. And so we start speeding up a little bit. He gets on 77, the interstate, oh yeah, and he starts hauling ass. So what do we do? We start hauling ass right with him. We're doing we get up to 120 to 120, right I don't know about 120, but we're giving it all she had a little rental car chad's over here fucking white knuckles on the. Oh shit, handle going.
Speaker 3:Oh my god, oh my god I mean that little engine was like. Like you could smell the paint burning off the engine. You know it was all she had, you know.
Speaker 2:It was fun, though A little four-cylinder Chad was like this. He would not look up. I was like, just look down, I got it. So we followed him to an apartment complex and he pulls in, we pull right in behind him, we get out and we both could smell the car because we didn't say anything about it at first.
Speaker 3:I didn't know if it's going to get his home man. It was tired, it was a brand new like Toyota Corolla or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was like I'm done. Oh shit, guys, don't ever do that to me again. So, all right, so we go in behind this dude and we get out and Chad. All right, it takes a whole, whole lot to piss this man off, okay.
Speaker 3:I'm usually calm. It takes me two seconds.
Speaker 2:I've got a short fuse, he's got a really long one.
Speaker 3:We do good cop, bad cop. You know routine easy.
Speaker 2:You know I'm laid back most of the time, but this time it was flipped, yeah, and I was like what?
Speaker 3:That's what I'm supposed to do.
Speaker 2:So we get to talking to him and he's scared to death. He's about to shoot himself. I see a. I see a car seat in the car and I'm like you ain't got a child in here, dude. He's like no, no, no, no, it's in there in the house. I said, let's, let's go talk. So he invites us in and we come in and it reeks of weed, with the kid there and his girlfriend's there, and so ding, ding, ding goes off my head. I'm like, well, if you don't, if you don't cooperate with us, we're just gonna turn you in to dsf and child protection services. I mean, you're in here like getting some little kid messed up. This is horrible. So he works with us and tells us look, he, look. He really doesn't know where he's at. He ain't seen him in a couple weeks. So let's see Once we leave. We're kind of out of leads at the moment.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And so Chad makes the decision hey, let's go back home, leave, we're kind of out of leads at the moment, yeah. And so chad makes a you know decision hey, let's, let's go back home because we got a long ride and it sucks.
Speaker 3:I mean when you you know that's all the way near charlotte, north carolina rock hill is and like from where we're at, you know that's a good four, four and a half hour drive and we fully expect to come back with somebody when we make that trip. And it sucks, it's a long drive home empty-handed.
Speaker 2:You're going with your tail tucked between your legs.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, but we're not completely done, not done. Time's not over yet. We're not going to give up. You know we don't give up.
Speaker 2:It's like that guy this past Saturday when I talked to him on the phone at first of the month, just like we tell everybody that misses on us, hey, if you don't take care of this, we will come find you and we will come put you back in jail.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we have a map in our office you guys can't see it but it's up on the wall it's one of the United States and we have little pushpins on a lot of we started doing that when Rob came on of all the places that we travel to get people and we have a lot of pins on that United States over here and we refer people to that map when they come into our office and we say, look, that's where we've been and we've come back with a person from every one of those trips. So you might want to. You know, we just plant that seed so that you know when they're going through this process that they're going to think twice before they.
Speaker 2:It's almost like this bond, I wrote Was it last week? I wrote oh, the guy that's checking in. Yeah he's checking in.
Speaker 3:He's sending screenshots of his itinerary yeah for work, which is great, you know it's great, but he's he's doing a lot of extra, yeah, but you know what you know, I'd rather have more than not enough. I give it to him.
Speaker 2:He's really trying so yeah, so, so, anyway, we're, we come back and at this time, we're watching social media, we're watching all the family?
Speaker 3:Yeah, he has. He knows he's already cut his social media off, but family doesn't, yeah?
Speaker 2:And then come to find like it only took like a couple of days when we came back. Yeah, I remember.
Speaker 3:It was within a week of us coming back and I was cruising her social media and I started seeing a lot of people saying, oh my gosh, I can't believe it. His sister was killed in an accident, in a car accident right outside of Charlotte.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was a bad accident. I think, it was involved in an 18-wheeler or something.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was in the news, involved in 18 will or something. Yeah, it was, it was in the news and um, yeah, so at that point, you know, not to make light of a, of a, something like that, that's horrible, but it's an opportunity for us.
Speaker 3:Yeah so we start, we start trying to figure this thing out, what we're going to do, and we are not, we're, we're not going to interrupt a funeral no, I in fact, years ago here in wilmington, uh, before you came along, um, there was a bonding company here that actually ran up on a funeral while the the guy was the, the dad of these, the person they were looking for. When they were literally dropping him in the ground and they decided to run across. While that was going on, the whole family, you know, dressed in their dark clothes for the funeral, ran up, sister, got in the way, stiff-armed her and got her out of the way and grabbed him.
Speaker 3:This was over a small $500, 500 traffic violation it wasn't anything major and later on that was not ending well for that bonding company, um. But yeah, we wouldn't do that. But you can watch from afar and wait, wait till you have the opportune moment.
Speaker 2:So we actually. Once the obituary came out, they announced where the funeral was going to be at, where it was going to be held. So we took a, we looked the place up, found out the map of it, we started. We even had other people.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we had places where we were going to sit and watch um different points of view. Yeah, um, we had it all mapped out what we're going to do. And then it got close to the day when we're going to go and we get a call. We get a call from mom. Chad gets a yeah, chad gets the. So mom says we don't want y'all coming to this funeral. We said well, okay, what do you propose? The only way to do that is to take care of this shit. That's what we've been saying. You've been hiding your son and we know it and you won't cooperate with us. So you know what do you want us to do? So I think he turned himself in.
Speaker 2:So I think he turned himself in. Yep, he turned himself in. Actually, like the day before the funeral he turned himself in, which he missed his sister's funeral. But I mean, I mean, I think the family what had been trying to talk to him. From what I gather the family been trying to talk to him about, hey, look, you take care of this, and then this happens and they're like, look, you're going to put the whole family at risk and you're going to put your sister's funeral at risk and you don't want this blah, blah, blah. Because they knew we were going to come after him. And so he did the right thing.
Speaker 3:He turned himself in and I think I get an alert that he gets and you know we have a we have a service that alerts us that we put people's names in and if they show up in jail we get an alert on their phone.
Speaker 2:I get a watchdog, I get a text message, email, everything. So he turns himself in and come to find out where he was at, because he called from the jail. He called, he called me, want me to buy him back out again.
Speaker 3:After all this, you're going to call us to get you out.
Speaker 2:But come to find out he was with a friend of his right outside of Charlotte doing some sheetrock work. He just had started and then the family calls Chad asking him to bond him out and Chad, like I said in the beginning of the episode, he laughs. I mean, it takes a lot to piss him off, but he laughs when she says it Not at their situation.
Speaker 3:No, not at the situation.
Speaker 2:But laughs about getting him back out and says no.
Speaker 3:I mean it takes a lot of guts to have somebody, literally when we've driven there once to our face, lied to us and said you don't know where he's at, and I know good and well. You got on the phone with him when we left after all this and it took this funeral for you to actually call us and talk to us at that point, and now you want us to help you on top of that, that takes a lot of guts, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, we've bonded some people back out again. Yeah, different situations there's another episode we're going to have to do, but remember the guy that we got multiple times. Oh, we got his ass out.
Speaker 3:again he's back there in the backseat texting. They got me again, honey, and he never met her.
Speaker 2:We got him with the same girl.
Speaker 3:Three times.
Speaker 2:Three times. Yeah, we wanted to. I said let's bond them out again. Chad's like oh exactly, I agree with you. But so, mr Red, the story of Mr Red and Rock Hill, I think Enterprise rental car. They won't let me rent any more cars.
Speaker 3:We bring it back and it just goes. It's done.
Speaker 2:I hit something one time in Columbia on a truck that I rented from them put a hole in the side of the car.
Speaker 3:You better get that insurance.
Speaker 2:I did get the insurance, but it wasn't covered. I didn't get it so I had to pay for it. They won't let me rent no more. It was horrible. Only if they knew what happened to that little Toyota Corolla.
Speaker 3:Hey, at least they don't have bullet holes in it this time.
Speaker 2:I mean, you know, we're good I hit something with one of the rental cars in texas one time. I think I don't know what I hit the fugitive. When he got out of the car he said what the hell, are you an rpg? I was like I have no idea. I turned it. I was in, I've turned it back into lafayette, louisiana, oh yeah. And they're like what the hell? I'm like I don't know, got insurance, insurance covered, that. But they, they quit, they quit renting to me after that. Sorry enterprise, you great company. Just I just want not, wasn't good with rental cars so let's see how did.
Speaker 3:All right, mr red mr red.
Speaker 2:I don't know whatever happened to mr red, but um, I do remember when, when he was on bond, before he missed, he was actually talking to us about doing it stuff to find people yeah, that's right I remember that.
Speaker 3:Now they just come up to me yeah, because he had uh, that's what he did in the military was some kind of IT work, and I think at the time, oh, I had a website, that's right, slammer Picks, slammerpickscom. Go to it, check it out. Well, it's not what it used to be, but we put our wanted people on there. So I used to scrape inventory. They call inventory all the photographs of people when they come in the mugshots. And scraping is where a computer system goes and it takes all the material at that time, brings it back to our site and post it. And every jail has inventory. So we used to do multiple jails and put up a mugshot website.
Speaker 3:But the purpose actually I had a newspaper article written about it when we caught a person up in New York, a kid that ran from us, it was a friend of mine, another bondsman, and he was up there selling drugs and a lady found my story that I posted and this was a guy that slammer picks been around for 10 years and um called us because at the bottom it says if you see this person, call this number, blah, blah, blah. Turns out there was three other law enforcement agencies that were looking for this guy, but they didn't have enough information. I had Massachusetts, um, but they didn't have enough information. I had Massachusetts, new York, it was like three different states that called me law enforcement and with our information they were able to get a hold of him in New York City and he had a gun on him in about three days. So that was the success that I had at first with that website. So I've continued to use it and it's pretty cool, but, yeah, Well, everybody, if go to slammer pics, check it out Slammerpicscom.
Speaker 2:You can also check us out on YouTube off the hook podcast. We are creating some more stuff for the YouTube channel. We're actually adding some more cameras. We got a switch here. We're going to have like three cameras set up and we're going to try to make it a little better for you guys.
Speaker 3:We're going to make it fancy, you know, with those different angles.
Speaker 2:We're trying to do better, you know, especially with, uh, lighting and stuff like that. So we're, we're, we're working this, we're working this out trying to make it better for you.
Speaker 2:Uh, cause I've got some good. I've got some good reviews off of uh Facebook, uh, and our social media Facebook, youtube, uh, even on. I've got a lot of people that responded back. Who likes our stuff? And I think Chad Content, content, yeah, our content. And Chad did a great job with coming up with this idea and I'm glad he started it and it's going to be awesome to keep going from here, and I can't wait to have plenty more.
Speaker 3:We'd like to hear from you guys. If there's something you want to hear about that pertains to anything in the field of what we do, we'd love to do a story on it. A person that you know that might want to come on, we're releasing one soon. Wait a minute, this is ahead of that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:We kind of record a little bit ahead of ourselves.
Speaker 3:We have to stay a little bit ahead, you know. So we're going to kind of tone it down on some topics, because by the time they come out it's old news. Especially with the news today. It changes every day Trump getting shot, biden stepping down, you know all that. Harris still laughs like a hyena. Harris really Really Come on guys, let's go.
Speaker 3:Brenda, let's go, brenda. Hyena harris, really, really come on, guys. Brenda, let's go. Brenda harris is somebody who couldn't even win in the preliminary. I mean, like you know, she stepped out because what was it? Uh, the crazy man, bernie, bernie, I don't know. Bernie beat her. Uh, buddha chad beat her. I mean she was last and now she, you guys got to do better. Look, this is like a cartoon.
Speaker 2:Watching this shit on tv every day. It is. It's hilarious. I don't even. I don't watch the news much. I hate the news I. I watch a little bit of it just to kind of keep up.
Speaker 3:See what kind of media you can't help it. You know everybody's posting about it, so I know it's and you don't know what's real and what's not. But we do know that harris is not a good pick. I mean, I know you guys some of you guys are like anybody but trump, but somebody else other than her I'm just ready for gas prices to come back down, man food prices. Come back prices interest rates.
Speaker 2:Come on, like help us out, man. I mean, come on, okay, if you look, help us out, quit fucking fighting each other up there, help us us out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, ain't nobody winning right now, man. I mean, you guys got to admit the past three and a half years four years has not been the greatest.
Speaker 2:I don't think America could go through another COVID again.
Speaker 3:I believe in some. I mean, I'm not straight Republican. There are certain things that I can say I don't agree with. Healthcare, healthcare is something. Yeah, absolutely. We both should come together on that topic. That's ridiculous. Yeah as high as can be.
Speaker 2:Costs so much you can't. Like I thank God, like my doctor is pretty cool, like I pay him $100 to just go see him.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but when you need a surgery and you know they talk about an aspirin costs you $50 in a hospital.
Speaker 2:What the hell is that all?
Speaker 3:about Suture. I was a surge tech in school for a while and I had a suture rep come and visit us and he was talking about you know we're talking thread it's cents to make a couple of cents 50 cents and then you talk about charging 100 plus bucks for a suture. You know it's cents to make a couple of cents 50 cents and then you talk about charging 100 plus bucks for a suture. If you get a breakdown of your bill, it's insane. It shouldn't be that way.
Speaker 2:Anyway, getting too far off topic here, but I thank you guys, we thank you, we love you and we always mean it and if you can tell, like on the back of my computer if you look, hello take a look at that.
Speaker 3:I'm just saying Chad's got something going on guys it's in the works. It's in the works. It's going to take a while, but I'm working on it well until next time, keep up with us.
Speaker 2:We love you, we mean it.
Speaker 3:I'm Rob, I'm Chad, saying peace out Later guys.
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