Off The Hook
Off The Hook
Chasing Down Mr. Sticky Fingers Amidst Chaos
We share our personal experiences of catastrophic floods and office damage, showing just how disruptive these natural disasters can be. Shifting gears to politics, we dive into our support for Mark Robinson over Josh Stein and vent our frustrations with the media's often misleading portrayals. We also navigate the surprising public reactions to Joe Biden's health after a recent debate, exploring the profound influence of media narratives.
But the thrills don't stop there! Join us as we recount the riveting hunt for Mr. Sticky Fingers. Tracking this fugitive led us from Brunswick County to the tense, meth-filled trailer parks of Goose Creek in Charleston, South Carolina. Discover the intricate, high-stakes world of bail bondsmen, as we share the challenges and unconventional solutions involved in bringing repeat offenders to justice. Through a mix of suspenseful encounters and shocking anecdotes, this episode promises to keep you on the edge of your seat.
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when people are released from jail, they have the responsibility to appear in court, but some of these people choose to go on the run they go back home to mommy and that is when these guys come into the picture. So sit back and listen to the off the Hook podcast with Chad and Rob Very fine people on both sides. These are real stories, but the names have been changed.
Speaker 2:Good morning everybody. This is Rob. This is Chad. What's happening with you guys today? Hey, chad. Good morning, good morning Robert. This is Rob. This is Chad. What's happening with you guys today? Hey, chad. Good morning, good morning.
Speaker 3:Robert, how are you?
Speaker 2:Doing good, Doing good. I just been watching the news lately and seeing this damn hurricane coming up. Man it's.
Speaker 3:Category 5. Now it looks like it's going to stay in the Gulf. Yeah, it's bad news.
Speaker 2:I hope we don't ruin our plans in Florida in a month.
Speaker 3:I hope everybody's all right down there yeah.
Speaker 2:In case you guys are listening and you're not. You know, ever had to deal with hurricanes. We definitely have, especially Chad here, our office down in.
Speaker 3:Office here in downtown Wilmington, our office in Bolivia. It got flooded in Florence. Yeah, it was a horrible storm. It just stayed on us for three days Nonstop rain, just dumping rain. Yeah, that was horrible, that was horrible.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I remember I drove down there and I saw I was standing. I was about a foot of water on the road looking at the office. Couldn't get to it because it was like three and a half feet of water.
Speaker 3:That was on the highway. Yeah, I remember seeing boats on the highway. Yeah, crazy, yeah, crazy. Um, yeah, wasn't the strongest wind, but the rain was just crazy because it fills up all the streams a week later after it's over and they just flood and it just just destroyed our place down there and there were one downtown here. Um, we had the roads fill up and they came through the doors, um one, but we usually put sandbags and stuff, but we weren't expecting it to be as bad as it was.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think uh, did you have to replace? I know I had to replace a computer, yeah.
Speaker 3:We had warped wood uh desks and you know some computers that got it that were on the ground.
Speaker 2:Oh, anything else exciting Like, uh, like a boy, Mark Robinson.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he was here having a debate with Mr Josh Stein. Not fond of that guy. Um, he likes bail reform. By the way, he is a Soros um funded little man. Um, we, we prefer Mark Robinson over him.
Speaker 2:Absolutely Any day. He tells you the truth. He tells you like it is, whether it hurts your feelings or not, but you know he's got some good core values. You might not agree with everything he says, but he's.
Speaker 3:You're talking about Mark, right? Yeah, I'm talking about Mark. Okay, making sure.
Speaker 2:Mark's a great guy I love him to death.
Speaker 3:We Mark, yeah, Making sure. Mark's a great guy. I love him to death. We've done some things for him in the past and we'd like to do another one before the election coming up here. So, Mark, if you're listening or we can get you on the podcast, that would be great.
Speaker 2:Oh gosh, to get Mark on here. Yeah, oh man, I might reach out to him, I might send him a text and see if he might have a few minutes for us. You know he's got. We've helped him out quite a bit. Yeah, yeah, I know, I've known, we've known that man since before he even ran for Lieutenant governor. Yep, he was just in Greensboro at the city council meeting.
Speaker 3:That was that. That speech went viral and blew up huge.
Speaker 2:Yeah, speaking of viral Hock to it. Hock to it went viral and blew up huge. Yeah, speaking of viral.
Speaker 3:Hakatoi, hakatoi. You got to fit on that thing, that girl's been everywhere.
Speaker 2:man Like you didn't see nothing from her. And next thing, you know, hakatoi, there she is.
Speaker 3:You get famous from one little phrase and just blows up. It's mind-boggling.
Speaker 2:Speaking of okay. So you've seen all the stories that came out how she worked at a bar and she worked at a daycare and got fired Her dad was a preacher.
Speaker 3:Yeah, none of it true.
Speaker 2:None of it true?
Speaker 3:She just came on a podcast yesterday or the day before and they asked her all these questions of things floating around. So like nope, not true, not true. My dad's the furthest thing from a preacher. I mean it's funny that the media can put a spin and put it out there and people believe it's the gospel.
Speaker 2:Man for everybody. Please stop listening to the media. Yeah, please stop listening, getting your news from the media.
Speaker 3:And another thing I find that's funny is after we talk about the debate for a second. It's like so people that were in favor of Joe Biden, you know they think he's so great the man's physically not capable but they were actually shocked after the debate to see what kind of shape he was in. And this is something that that the people that are not in favor of him it depends on what media source you look at, I guess, and what kind of light they put him in, Because they were shocked the day after that. He looked so bad. It looked like what we've been seeing for a long time out of Joe. I don't know what channel you're getting, what cnn or msnbc or whoever you're watching is is spinning it for you, but joe has not been well for a long time well, I I hate watching news.
Speaker 3:I don't watch news yeah, I watch less of it I?
Speaker 2:I try not to. But speaking of uh news, let's get into the one of the best stories that we got for you guys today. Hey, chad, I got something for you. You ready there? We go.
Speaker 3:Oh, it's story time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, story time. I can tell stories, I got too much to tell. I can tell stories, I got too much to tell. I can tell stories, I got too much to tell. I know you like that, chad, I can tell stories.
Speaker 3:I got too much to tell. I can NBC.
Speaker 2:You're going to have to trim that down, man, you're going to have to trim that down, man.
Speaker 3:That's way too much. Okay well, Sorry everybody, but it's funny for story time.
Speaker 2:Anyway, All right. So our next story here is out of Charleston, South Carolina.
Speaker 3:Sticky Fingers.
Speaker 2:Mr Sticky Fingers. Chad's been wanting to. He's brought this up a few times. When we're writing episodes, yeah, yeah, and coming up with these, he's like man, we got to do it, we got to do it, we got to do it. So I'm like, all right, cool, let's go ahead and knock it out. So he missed court on us in Brunswick County. Yeah, and I can't remember what the bond was. It was a hefty bond. I want to say between 30,000 and 40,000. We'll say 30,000.
Speaker 3:And I bonded them out. So, yeah, we start our process of what we do. When we get somebody out, we have information sheets, so we're gathering all this information that's going to be useful later. Like I said, some of these cases go on for a couple of years. A lot of things change. So we go to our application sheet and the first thing, naturally, is to call the phone number that we were given. All right, it's cut off. That happens. So then we start calling the people that we asked for references and everybody was that we could get a hold of said yeah, he's not around here anymore, he's down in um south carolina somewhere.
Speaker 2:they think charleston myrtle beads were charleston's, what we were told I don't know if you can hear these people outside, but they're getting on my nerves, yeah, anyway, I can't stand that People stand outside of our front door and chit chat and have conversations.
Speaker 3:Can you stand it? They like to sign on the door. They think it's funny, oh, okay.
Speaker 2:Whatever. So, anyway, get back to you. So we're, we're, we're calling references co-signers, and how did we?
Speaker 3:So somehow we ended up in Goose Creek, South Carolina. And what?
Speaker 2:I think I remember now.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:He was arrested, but he got out.
Speaker 3:That's right. We found that's right. We found an arrest record in goose Creek Um, I don't know what County that is, but somewhere in South Carolina and that's where we started. So he got arrested at a. Was it a Walmart?
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:So yeah, we went down to the Walmart down in Goose Creek found it, but first we went to the Sheriff's Department to get some information on the case. On the arrest, yeah, and that led us to Walmart.
Speaker 3:That's how it happened. Okay, yeah, sorry, that's why we're trying to tell these stories before we forget them.
Speaker 2:It's been years.
Speaker 3:So we go after the police department department, we go over to the walmart. Walmart's have great security systems in their stores.
Speaker 2:They have one of the best like video, like the camera systems, yeah, yeah so, but they have a policy.
Speaker 3:I believe that they let you go if you make it out of the store, or something like that, with some items. They don't pursue you, they just ban you from the property.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so we go there and we go into their security department and they have all these TV screens up and we're able to go back to a certain day in which this guy got arrested and they pull up security footage of that date and from it we were able to see a car that picked him up when that happened, yeah, we said well, yeah, yep, that, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2:Uh, so they, they did their paperwork, banned them and they got in a car and left. And that car he got into we, got the license plate off of it, ran the info, got an address.
Speaker 3:On the owner of that car.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the owner of that car. And by the time, I want to say by the time we leave there go, eyeball this, it was a little trailer. Leave there go, eyeball this, it was a little trailer. And we went and looked at it and we decided to stay that night and just keep an eye on it because we didn't see the car. And then the next morning we went to go look at the trailer again and we noticed there were some people there and we snuck up, we parked on the other side of the trailer park, Myth park we're going to call it a myth park.
Speaker 3:Because that was exactly what it was, what this whole group was about.
Speaker 2:And we start sneaking up on the trailer and Chad's like at one window, I'm at the other window, we can hear people talking on the inside window. I'm at the other window, we can hear people talking on the inside and I'm looking at Chad. I'm like, hey man, I think we need to, I think we need to open, you know, get them to open up this door. I think I can do it. And he's like, okay, let's, let's try it. So we go knock on the door and this young dude opens the door. He looks meth out of his mind and we go in.
Speaker 2:I'm like, hey, is there anybody in the house? He goes, yeah, there's two more people. I said, where are they at? He said that that the room right there to your right. So I go in there and they're meth out on their bed, uh, sleeping, and so we wake them up. So you get the hell up, you know, get in the living room, let's talk. And when he does that, I think the blanket moves and I see a gun right there beside him and he looks at me and I look at him and I, you know, immediately yank them out of that bedroom onto the couch and I grabbed this gun. It wasn't Wasn't a real gun.
Speaker 3:No, the orange piece, but it looked like, yeah, they take the little safety thing out, so it looked like a real gun.
Speaker 2:And you know they people use that for for robbing people and you know that use that for robbing people and you know that's their MO. So we get them on the couch. They're scared to death because they're on probation and everything else. And I told them. I said, I asked them. I said are you on probation? And the one guy said yes, the one we drug out of the bedroom. I said well, you know, you're not supposed to have this gun in here. He goes, it doesn't matter, it's a toy gun. I said doesn't look like it to me, you know. So we're trying to use you know we're using these tactics against him to say, hey, look, you know, we'll leave you alone if you just tell us where he's at. So finally they were like well, we think he got locked up and I think it was that the night before he got locked up.
Speaker 3:Yes, and now we're in Charleston is where we had to go, because that was the jail I think that we found him in was actually um whatever County, charleston.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, it was same, same same county as goose creek, but that jail was huge. Yeah, it was, it was really big.
Speaker 2:It's like got like eight stories. You can and you can hear the inmates in there yelling out the window, remember, yeah? So by the time we you go around and once we see they tell us he's arrested. We didn't see it because we got there the day before and he wasn't arrested. So it didn't make sense to us. So we go back to Wal-Mart's, we search all the Wal-Mart's and found out that this whole crew has been banned from Walmart's.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, we'll tell that later. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm kind of leading us to that. So this whole group, including the ones we saw at the trailer, at the meth trailer, they're all part of it. They're all part of it. So we get online and we look at the jail website and, lo and behold, there he is, he's in jail. I said damn.
Speaker 3:So we have a dilemma. We have to bring a person back or we have to have proof that they were in jail at the time of the forfeiture, meaning he missed court because he was in jail somewhere else. Problem was he wasn't at the time. He had been arrested after. He failed to appear for us, which was a bit of a problem at the time. The law has changed since then.
Speaker 2:And what Chad's talking about is on these forfeitures that we get on the back of them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we have. I think it's seven reasons that we can file a motion to set a case aside and it has to fit one of these seven criteria. And it did not at that time. The law has changed, but so we go to the jail and we meet with him, get a picture of him holding his little band up showing that it has his name, who he is and that he's in jail there. We were going to present that to the district attorney in our county in order to get relief for the bond, but let's see. So we figured out another way to do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we got a hold of a bond of a bonding company down there in Charleston I cannot remember their name to save my life but he was really cool.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so we ended up bonding him out as bondsmen, bonding him out through another bondsman. We were co-signers. Yeah, to bring him back to North Carolina Because he wasn't getting out. Yeah, so we't getting out. Yeah, so we bond him out. Make a deal with that bondsman that we're going to make sure that he doesn't fail on you. He'll be in jail up in Brunswick County.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so they go post a bond. And the funniest thing was this guy Sticky Fingers, fingers did not know, uh, who was bonding them out. So so we sat right there when he you know, when you get bonded out, you they release them from a door, yeah, and we're just sitting there waiting for him to come out and all the jailers are sitting there watching us because they're like, oh, we've never seen this before. So he comes out and la la, here we are. Hey, how you doing. He's like shit. He said I'm screwed now.
Speaker 3:Out of the frying pan and into the fire.
Speaker 2:Right. So I mean, he was funny as hell I mean he told us some all kinds of stories on the way home and that's what we're going to tell you. Next man, I tell you. I remember it was dark when he finally came out, it was later that night. We put him in chains, get him in a. We got a rental van. We get in the rental van and the drive back is about four hours, four and a half somewhere in there, something like that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, charleston's a little ways from us.
Speaker 2:So he starts telling us stories Mm-hmm. And.
Speaker 3:So, all right, Tell them one of the stories there, chad. Well, the one that he started talking about was how he and his group of drug doing um meth, meth, doing whatever um thieves, thieves, band of thieves. They would go to Walmarts and they would steal items from there and there's like a price checker in Walmart. What they would do was they would price check and take a picture with their phones of the items that they were stealing. They go back to their hotel, dump everything out in their bed and they would total up the total amount of things that they stole in a weekend from a Walmart. It was a competition amongst these thieves and the one who stole the most in the weekend won a bunch of drugs.
Speaker 2:Bunch of meth.
Speaker 3:Bunch of meth Bunch of meth. Literally, he told us this. This is what they did, and it was like Over 100,000. Yeah, it wasn't a small amount. These were a lot of people and a lot of things being stole. These are professional thieves.
Speaker 2:This is what they do every weekend for fun. They turn around and they sell it for nothing, or go to a pawn shop and sell the shit and they get this money and they go out and buy meth.
Speaker 3:Think about the loss that Walmart's getting.
Speaker 2:Man you do that Say you have a million dollars a month.
Speaker 3:That's mind boggling. I mean those kind of numbers. It's crazy, but where?
Speaker 2:is the.
Speaker 3:So you wonder what happens when prices go up. Well, wonder why? That is because they've got to make it up. So again, this whole you know taking it easy on people that do things like this, it just doesn't work for everybody. You know that are up and up on things, you know.
Speaker 2:And people that are addicted to meth or any you know drug. They'll do anything for it, anything, he even told us he did some sexually explicit acts on another man for it, let's leave it, let's leave it.
Speaker 3:At that I was like, oh my god, yeah, we don't need, we didn't need to hear all that. But he, yeah, he was. He stayed in the back seat the whole ride and here's some mouthwash and you stay back there.
Speaker 2:I don't think he really took a shower at all either. Yeah, but he was in. I know it's Berkeley County.
Speaker 3:Yep as the name. Yeah, yeah, we do have notes on that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, and so we get him back to Brunswick County, throw him in jail he actually served some time there gets out and eventually gets caught back up in the system again.
Speaker 3:Surprise surprise, go figure, you reached back out to us to get him back out.
Speaker 3:I was like, no man, we're good, no, I'm out of town. Town you screw over your bondsman one time, man. And uh, you're pretty much done. You know, we're already sticking our neck out for you as it is. We don't need to uh to take another chance like that, although we have bonded out some people a couple of times. Remember the guy that we caught that it was like with a fake girl and he literally thought he was talking to her and it was one of us.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, is it this guy? We've got him like three times in a row, three times With the same girl.
Speaker 3:With a fake girl and he's literally back there texting this girl he's never met.
Speaker 2:And I'm messaging him from the front seat.
Speaker 1:They got me again.
Speaker 3:You know like he's talking to this girl like it's his girlfriend and he's never met her, and meanwhile I'm in the front seat right in front of him. Yeah, phone in the front's going ding, you know, and it's like oops.
Speaker 2:And I'm over there. I remember looking at Chad, going, hey, look at this bro. But I'm like, yeah, yeah, he's like what the hell? I was like dude, I don't know. He's must be that he's that stupid. That was fun, man. Oh, but these, I mean these, these forfeitures are these people that skip, when you know we got one right now? I mean we can't say much about it, but we got one right now. He's lying to me, I know for sure he's lying to me and we gonna get that ass, I promise you?
Speaker 3:yeah, he just said he was in texas and uh, somebody saw him yesterday here yeah, motherfucker, I'm coming to get you and you ride around the corner I coming for you. I got one to go get today in Jacksonville, oh God.
Speaker 2:J-hole is what I call it. That place is horrible, but we got. Let's see what do we have on the board. We got a couple, we got a few, but we try to keep ours loaded.
Speaker 3:I'd rather work on other people's than theirs. Yeah, it's less pressure. Yeah, i's less pressure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I got to go Speaking of tomorrow. I got to go up to Rocky Mountain, north Carolina, which is a horrible place. Again, I'm working on a PI case up there with an attorney as assault cases. It's going to be pretty interesting. I'll be able to talk about it once we go to trial. I think it's going to be pretty interesting. I'll be able to talk about it once we go to trial. I think it's going to be January, but it's going to be an interesting one because that's another one that he had to be bonded out. He needed an unsecured bond. He didn't need an unsecured bond, but they gave him one. But they're going to give somebody who has a career criminal. They're going to keep giving him unsecured bonds. It doesn't make any sense at all, and not to you know the bashing detectives up there, but they're not that bright up there, um, but yeah, I can't wait to talk about that one Once that one gets here. That's going to be fun, um, so got any plans? Uh, coming up here soon, man, got any vacations coming up?
Speaker 3:Um yeah, going going somewhere, well, that's in September. Um no, we just we're looking forward to the uh, the trip on the 31st of July. Oh, yes, I cannot wait for Florida, down to Florida, yeah, that's going to be fun.
Speaker 2:We're going to be busy, I believe. I think we're going to have a lot of people at our table.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we're going to come up with some good stuff there. I think we're going to try to do it live, if I can figure that out. We're still trying to figure all this stuff out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, youtube. I didn't mention this at the first of the podcast, but you listeners, if you want to see us doing this on video or just audio, you can listen to both of them on our YouTube channel, off the Hook Podcast. And if you're sitting at your office bored want to hear, you can go to our website offthehookbailcom right here.
Speaker 3:It's at the bottom of the page. There's like all of our episodes or Spotify or Apple Play. You know all that stuff. We're all on like seven or eight platforms.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and we want to say thank you to everybody who has started listening to us and is following us. We've got some really good, so we're going to give you a big clap.
Speaker 3:Yeah, thanks for everybody. And, you know, share it with somebody that might like to listen to us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so please follow us and, like I said, comments. We like comments because you can put questions in there. Um, just let us know. So I think we're going to start, uh, changing a few things up here. We're going to try to get um some other guests to come on yeah, I've got one guy that I'm looking to bring on here.
Speaker 3:he was a detective um undercover detective in New York City, deep undercover narcotics, and also he was a 9-11 officer that went through all that ordeal. So we'd like to hear some stories he's got. I'm going to see if I can get him in here at some time.
Speaker 2:And I know we're going to have David Gross with the Gross Law Group here in Wilmington. He's going to come and talk about, you know on the attorney side of things, how things work in the court system and how we need bonds, that and probably some legal things that you should know to do and not to do if you are detained. Yeah, you don't have to be an asshole to, to, to the cops, to make your point.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, no. What you can say and what not to say is a good thing to to know in order to make your situation better.
Speaker 2:So, chad, it was. It's great to do another podcast, but is number six? Yeah, number six. I'm, I'm, uh, I'm excited we're getting into this thing, we're starting to roll with it and starting to figure things out. Um, and we're gonna oh, man, we got so much, like when we go to florida, man, we're gonna have so much going on. Yeah, I'm gonna have to go buy some more SD cards, that's a damn sure. But other than that, that's a story of Stinky Fingers. Stinky Fingers. He just doesn't you know know how to stay out of jail and quit stealing shit for meth. So, chad, do you want to say anything before we end it? Nope, no, we just love you and mean it. Thank you for subscribing and listening to us. Stick with us, we're going to have plenty more in the future for you.
Speaker 2:We got more stories to tell absolutely so, thank you, here we go love you mean it you've been listening to Off the Hook with Chad and Rob.
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